Against Miracles, I usually take out Goyfs and Terravores. They're really awful even if you manage to get rid of Rest in Peace, so you might as well board them out. You can always hold Fires until after Rest in Peace is gone. I've found Slaughter Games to be AMAZING in this matchup. If RIP hasn't hit yet, you usually name that, or Jace/Entreat if you fear it.Originally Posted by Megadeus
In other news, I miss Volrath's Stronghold. Le sigh. I'll have to cut something for it...
-Matt
The version of Loam I play is very, very different from this.
I plan on playing Stage+Depths this weekend in Somerset. With Knight/Loam to find both pieces I think it is very good. My current deck list is this.
Against UW I generally board like this:
+3 Thalia
+1 Teeg
-3 P-Fire
-1 Bojuka Bog
P-Fire just doesn't do much against them. I always cut them unless I see SFM (which most no longer play).
~Jeff Hoogland
Dropped the Nantuko Monastery for Bojuka Bog MD.. Interesting. I do like having Bog MD though.
Congrats Jeff for the top8 scg invitational. I hope to see you in a feature match tomorrow...
Grats Jeff. You may want to consider removing Thoughtseize from your sideboard, this is at least the second or third time I've seen you walk into your own chalice with it on turn 2.
With M14 rules does the Depths + Sage combo work?
Do you mean Depths + Thespian's Stage? If so, then yes - it's been discussed elsewhere on the site.
I did and thank you
Congrats Jeff. I caught the tail end of that awesome game vs Deathblade. Thank you for taking that match down... Also there were some changes I saw that you have made since you posted your list in here a few days ago. I saw you vs Deathblade when he had GOST out and I thought to myself, this kind of thing is why we should play massacre, then you got it and I lol'd. I personally am still having some difficulty with damn batterskull. I cant seem to beat an early batterskull, and it seems like GOST is also a problem for us. I also saw you werent playing stage depths. SO far I have been unimpressed with it myself. Overall I like the changes you made for the invi. 2 Green Suns also seems very good, and I may test out an Ooze in the board.
Edit: . Goyf honestly seems really really good. Two big problems I have found for this deck are BSkull and GOST. And Goyf trumps both of them nicely. Basically just being a cheap wall that survives smaller Devastating dreams is awesome.
If you play Punishing Fire.... batterskull is just an easy cake... everytime he attacks you can get back your punishing fire with those lives... I just saw Jeff's MU and he didnt bring it back with the first attack. I always use opossing Bskull to punishing fire everthing else...
Thanks guys!
That match VS Brad was some of the worst magic I've played in a very long time.
The thoughtseize in the wish package is fine. I just need to be less of an idiot.
~Jeff
Which rounds / what time in the recorded video did Jeff have feature matches?
Anything in particular that made you decide against Stage-Depths?
Not sure about why Jeff didn't but, I have found it underwhelming. We can't really crop rotation up the pieces to just get them with their shields down. And if we are activating knight we are already in a great spot. The stage actually by itself has been useful to me. I may just board the depths, though for what I do not know.
Let my friend play my deck tonight. Took out Stage Depths, slipped in a Daybreak Ranger while he wasnt looking for the lulz. Daybreak was actually pretty decent lol. Eating Goblins Alive, and eating small Tarmogoyfs. Still wish I had Goyfs because that is probably the superior card lol. Also Massacre was very good. Dunno Why I thought it might not be good enough. Watched it wipe away a couple of Slivers. He beat Counter Slivers, Goblins, and in top 8 Mono U SnT. Whoever thought that adding white was a joke because you auto lose to combo anyway was dead wrong. Teeg, Thalia and Chalice give you plenty of ways to slowly lock your opponent out. Devastating Dreams continues to live up to its name. He did lose to punishing Jund, but I believe he misplayed. His opponent top decks scavenging ooze with nothing else on board and my friend has a full GY and instead of Wishing for CHainers Edict he just passes and Ooze just shuts everything down activating something like 8-9 times just eating everything. I think he just forgot that ooze doesnt only eat creatures. He said he would have liked a Volraths Stronghold but I still disagree a bit. Just be smart with KOTR and should be fine.
Yo Jeff, have you tested stage + depths in your list? If so, can you comment on your feelings towards it? I've been having *tremendous* success with the new x2 goyf list (although I still will throw the bobs in there if a tourney meta is more UW) but I'm really scared that depths will be a terrible thing to see come out of my library a large percentage of the time.
BTW ... I ran into you at GP Vegas ... super-excited-to-meet-you-guy wearing a tie dye wizard tshirt that called over his friend to say "This is the guy that invented my loam list!"
Decks
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paper:
Death and Taxes
online:
grixis delver / 4c control
Stage depths is too cute. Most of the time when you win with it you'd win the game without it as well. I really like the goyf change as well, it was an impulse swap that ended up being great.
~Jeff Hoogland
After two weeks of top 4ing the local with the deck, my roommate said he will be borrowing cards to play it at SCGATL. Apparently the day break ranger I slipped in as a joke is still there doing work. Not sure if it is actually good or not still, but time to test this week! I'm still attempting to figure out what to drop for a second GSZ as well. Right now playing 3 groves has been solid for me being great to color fix. I'll probably drop the fourth abrupt decay I guess.
So the consensus is that we drop the 3 Dark Confidant from Jeff's original list to make room for zenith #2 and 2x Tarmogoyf?
Today I am become death. The destroyer of worlds. -Oppenheimer
Depends in the meta. Goyf is great for blocking geists and is a wall vs tribal. Bob draws extra cards vs control and helps to grind
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