[Deck] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils)

[Lemnear]

Maybe because people are not that stupid as you think? One Rough/Tumble or Golgari Charm or Pyroclasm or whatever is not going to dilute their deck and if you really think that EtW is that sweet against tempo decks, than why should they miss that fact and lose to it repeatedly.
This thread makes me wanna vomit.

Jep, because topdecking 1/2-offs after getting dismantled by Cabal Therapy and flashback via Goblin tokens is a relyable strategy to battle EtW.

The best you can do is prevent EtW. Fighting it after the goblins are on the field is pretty hopeless from the perspective of a Tempo deck

[JUNI0R]

Why the heck do you seriously think your opponents would board creature removal against a storm.dec??

Because I've watched them do it. However, it's fun when they do and don't draw their 1-of, then lose to my horde of 1/1s.

[davelin]

Maybe because people are not that stupid as you think? One Rough/Tumble or Golgari Charm or Pyroclasm or whatever is not going to dilute their deck and if you really think that EtW is that sweet against tempo decks, than why should they miss that fact and lose to it repeatedly.
This thread makes me wanna vomit.

So we are worried about a one-of here?

[bjholmes3]

I suspect my point to have been misunderstood. You see, should Storm go the direction some suggest and ditch AdN and add all the other goodies, should that become the standard deck, people will begin to sideboard for that changed deck. In all truth, they can't really know if you're going to switch wincons on them, but that was always the case. See, I just want to make the point that, if the deck evolves as some have recommended, the consequence is that people will start to adjuct their boards accordingly, and it is much easier to be prepared for an EtW swarm than it is to be prepared for the other wincons this deck provides. As things stand, replacing AdN or Tendrils or whatever works because that is an unusual metagame call and people are unprepared for it. Should this continue, surprise will not be on your side, and people will be much better equiped to deal with you because, as I've mentioned, they will have less competition for SB slots.

[Patrunkenphat7]

I suspect my point to have been misunderstood. You see, should Storm go the direction some suggest and ditch AdN and add all the other goodies, should that become the standard deck, people will begin to sideboard for that changed deck. In all truth, they can't really know if you're going to switch wincons on them, but that was always the case. See, I just want to make the point that, if the deck evolves as some have recommended, the consequence is that people will start to adjuct their boards accordingly, and it is much easier to be prepared for an EtW swarm than it is to be prepared for the other wincons this deck provides. As things stand, replacing AdN or Tendrils or whatever works because that is an unusual metagame call and people are unprepared for it. Should this continue, surprise will not be on your side, and people will be much better equiped to deal with you because, as I've mentioned, they will have less competition for SB slots.

Coming from complete theory, I understand your point… However, when you say things like "replacing AdN or Tendrils or whatever" it makes me feel like you don't understand the point of Empty the Warrens. NOBODY is replacing Tendrils. Empty is an alternative gameplan to Past in Flames or natural tutor chains and gives you options within the game based on your opponent, their opening hand, and your opening hand. Unfortunately people have been "hating out" Ad Nauseam for some time now, and their hate is efficient creatures that attack. If people want to slam a bunch of cards that are specifically good against goblin tokens, that is perfectly fine with me, and it really won't affect how good the deck is against them.

[bjholmes3]

NOBODY is replacing Tendrils.

Oh, my mistake. I thought people were actually wanting to do that, and it made 0 sense. The world seems much more orderly all of a sudden.

[Patrunkenphat7]

Oh, my mistake. I thought people were actually wanting to do that, and it made 0 sense. The world seems much more orderly all of a sudden.

Haha yeah, that would be nuts for sure.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Jep, because topdecking 1/2-offs after getting dismantled by Cabal Therapy and flashback via Goblin tokens is a relyable strategy to battle EtW.

The best you can do is prevent EtW. Fighting it after the goblins are on the field is pretty hopeless from the perspective of a Tempo deck

Oh so, I see. Umm, wait, no. I remember the games when ANT player struggled to do anything reasonable after been hit by my Wastes and counterspells, then he finally made eight smelly tokens and tried to ride them home. That's when my Roughs were helpful, at least a bit more than Dismember...
But I really don't care.

Because I've watched them do it. However, it's fun when they do and don't draw their 1-of, then lose to my horde of 1/1s.

And? So if they instead didn't have the card, would it be easier to win against the horde?

So we are worried about a one-of here?

No. I can't speak for others, but I'm not worried.

[GoldenCid]

Hi there you all!! I'm a couple of days i'll be attending to a gpt in my local town and i was thinking on pushing up ANT. I'd like to hear yours comments on my decklist and some side tips...yeah i'm pretty confidant of my main deck but i feel a bit unsure of what side in and out in specific MU. Here's my deck list:

// Lands
4 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
2 [U] Underground Sea
4 [ON] Polluted Delta
1 [ZEN] Island (1)
1 [ZEN] Swamp (1)
1 [R] Volcanic Island
1 [R] Badlands
1 [R] Tropical Island

// Spells
4 [DIS] Infernal Tutor
1 [SC] Tendrils of Agony
4 [TE] Lotus Petal
4 [MM] Dark Ritual
1 [ALA] Ad Nauseam
4 [FNM] Brainstorm
4 [MI] Lion's Eye Diamond
4 [LRW] Ponder
4 [TO] Cabal Ritual
1 [ISD] Past in Flames
4 [US] Duress
3 [FNM] Cabal Therapy
4 [NPH] Gitaxian Probe
3 [JU] Burning Wish

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [SC] Tendrils of Agony
SB: 1 [ISD] Past in Flames
SB: 1 [NE] Massacre
SB: 3 [RTR] Abrupt Decay
SB: 1 [JU] Cabal Therapy
SB: 2 [US] Carpet of Flowers
SB: 2 [ON] Chain of Vapor
SB: 1 [TSP] Empty the Warrens
SB: 1 [PT] Virtue's Ruin
SB: 2 [SC] Xantid Swarm

I'm expecting mainly combo, midrange and some burn deck in the meta. Here i detail the sideboard cardchoice (correct me at anytime you want):

Tendrils of Agony: well...
Past in Flames: well
Massacre and Virtue's Ruin: to eat thalias and gaddock. Would this cards be Slaughter Pact?
Abrupt decay: general purpose...CB, enchantress, stax.
Carpet and Swarm: non CB control MU.
Cabal therapy: Combo
Empty the Warrens: i like it whan you need to go off fast and the storm count is not enought for a lethal tendrils.
Chain of vapor: i'm not sure why it's there...i copied it from other deck list. Help would be apreciated.

Moreover...i'll be testing every night (south america) up to friday on MWS (Nickname: Naty!!) if you see me and want to test i'd be graceful.

Thx in advance!

GC.

[Secretly.A.Bee]

Chain of Vapor is actually a pretty sick card for storm. Not only is it an answer-all to pretty much anything not named Chalice of the Void at 1 and Counterbalance, it can be a storm generator. Imagine this:

Play LED, LED, Chain of Vapor on LED, sac Land, bounce second LED. Replay LED, Replay second LED. This allows for +3 storm off of a single card. It could be compared to IGG, only not gy reliant, and for 3 less, it's a bargain.

Hence, a beautiful little accessory that could one day save your life in combat...

-ABC

[Bed Decks Palyer]

I'm expecting mainly combo, midrange and some burn deck in the meta.

Does the midrange mean Maverick? Because if you have so fast (combo + burn) and maybe non-interactive (if midrange = Jund and such) meta, then maybe you may play without BW as it's a bit faster version.

[Lemnear]

Does the midrange mean Maverick? Because if you have so fast (combo + burn) and maybe non-interactive (if midrange = Jund and such) meta, then maybe you may play without BW as it's a bit faster version.

I tend to agree. Wish is a mighty tool (in a vacuum) if you have to break through defenses (Therapy) or want access to additional Engines (PIF, IGG, DR) or finishers (ToA, EtW) for the cost of speed. In a meta which contains fast combo, burn and midrange decks, which blow you out after a few turns (Thalia/Cannonist from Maverick; Thoughtseize/Hymn from Jund/BUG), speed is king

[bjholmes3]

I also agree. Given your meta, your deck must be as fast as it can possibly be. To this end, I would personally suggest something akin to the following for your MD:

-3 Burning Wish
-1 Discard
+4 Preordain

I suggest Preordain because I feel that you need every cantrip available to 1.) help you get your combo online asap and 2.) protect yourself somewhat from discard 4 cards better.

Also, if Thalia and Teeg are specific things you are worried about, then do consider the inclusion of a SB Karakas. It's gotten me out of many a tight spot, just like George Clooney.

[Final Fortune]

I'm starting to think Thalia, Clique and to a lesser extent Teeg are best answered by not playing Ad Nauseam and by playing Thoughtseize regardless of whether or not you go down the cantrip, wish, tutor or LDV path.

[Lemnear]

I'm starting to think Thalia, Clique and to a lesser extent Teeg are best answered by not playing Ad Nauseam and by playing Thoughtseize regardless of whether or not you go down the cantrip, wish, tutor or LDV path.

Yes, if you cut AN, there is not much reason to run Duress over Thoughtseize, aside the sum of the damage through T'Seize and Probes in addition to the suffered Combat damage

[SaberTooth]

Hi there you all!! I'm a couple of days i'll be attending to a gpt in my local town and i was thinking on pushing up ANT. I'd like to hear yours comments on my decklist and some side tips...yeah i'm pretty confidant of my main deck but i feel a bit unsure of what side in and out in specific MU. Here's my deck list:

// Lands
4 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
2 [U] Underground Sea
4 [ON] Polluted Delta
1 [ZEN] Island (1)
1 [ZEN] Swamp (1)
1 [R] Volcanic Island
1 [R] Badlands
1 [R] Tropical Island

// Spells
4 [DIS] Infernal Tutor
1 [SC] Tendrils of Agony
4 [TE] Lotus Petal
4 [MM] Dark Ritual
1 [ALA] Ad Nauseam
4 [FNM] Brainstorm
4 [MI] Lion's Eye Diamond
4 [LRW] Ponder
4 [TO] Cabal Ritual
1 [ISD] Past in Flames
4 [US] Duress
3 [FNM] Cabal Therapy
4 [NPH] Gitaxian Probe
3 [JU] Burning Wish

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [SC] Tendrils of Agony
SB: 1 [ISD] Past in Flames
SB: 1 [NE] Massacre
SB: 3 [RTR] Abrupt Decay
SB: 1 [JU] Cabal Therapy
SB: 2 [US] Carpet of Flowers
SB: 2 [ON] Chain of Vapor
SB: 1 [TSP] Empty the Warrens
SB: 1 [PT] Virtue's Ruin
SB: 2 [SC] Xantid Swarm

I'm expecting mainly combo, midrange and some burn deck in the meta. Here i detail the sideboard cardchoice (correct me at anytime you want):

Tendrils of Agony: well...
Past in Flames: well
Massacre and Virtue's Ruin: to eat thalias and gaddock. Would this cards be Slaughter Pact?
Abrupt decay: general purpose...CB, enchantress, stax.
Carpet and Swarm: non CB control MU.
Cabal therapy: Combo
Empty the Warrens: i like it whan you need to go off fast and the storm count is not enought for a lethal tendrils.
Chain of vapor: i'm not sure why it's there...i copied it from other deck list. Help would be apreciated.

Moreover...i'll be testing every night (south america) up to friday on MWS (Nickname: Naty!!) if you see me and want to test i'd be graceful.

Thx in advance!

GC.

ill be playing the same gpt as you (i guess XD argentina right?) who are you??

[Darkness]

New to ANT, looking to pick up possible cards for the deck as options. In what metas would I want Dark Confidant?

[Lemnear]

New to ANT, looking to pick up possible cards for the deck as options. In what metas would I want Dark Confidant?

In a pure control meta which doesn't contain counterbalance or SFM & Friends

[Bed Decks Palyer]

In a pure control meta which doesn't contain counterbalance or SFM & Friends

Slosh took it against Maverick when on play to get enough cards (mainly lands) to play around Thalia and then to ultimately Virtue's Ruin them. Otoh, I can't tell if he still plays the Confidant...
It was also quite good card in mirror, after both players Duressed themselves to nothingness. But... you know, the speed of combo matchups...

[GoldenCid]

Thx you all for the advices!!!!
Indeed do you think that preordain could speed up my deck??
I see BW as "win con". If i get it i just need rituals o LED to win. With preordain i depend so much on Infernal tutor to get my win con!
This is a decklist that is almost a copy of mine (MD): http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/dec...7&iddeck=83648

@Secretly.A.Bee : having decay, creature removal and so on i felt like c of vapor overlaps my side choices. Maybe i'm missing something.

@SaberTooth: you are right! But my indentity will remain in darks...

On speed theme: Do you think that lim dul vault could also speed up? Any decklist as example?
What do you think about this?
http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/dec...7&iddeck=83644


Thx again!!