[Deck] Canadian Thresh (a.k.a. RUG Tempo, Tempo Thresh)

[poxy14]

if u only this guy has FLASH instead of TRAMPLE...then i might consider it, doesnt need trample anymore coz it's flying!
wont be able to replace goyf in RUG, and will be second still before Cliq...

@SWANSONG: pierce would be better still, that it'll be able to counter artifacts and planeswalkers...but countering my own spell for a 2/2 flyer would make my delvers happy, added clock to a threat light deck we currently have.

[Barbed Blightning]

Two-for-oneing ourselves for a wind drake? Ehhhhh I don't know. I'd use it as a 1-2 of at most vs combo. Pierce would still stay in the main as a 2-3 of

[Isre Morn]

if u only this guy has FLASH instead of TRAMPLE...

Haha, yeah and HASTE :D

Swansong could be a relevant SB card for combo and miracles (definately replaces envelop here).

[Pherion]

if u only this guy has FLASH instead of TRAMPLE...then i might consider it, doesnt need trample anymore coz it's flying!
wont be able to replace goyf in RUG, and will be second still before Cliq...

@SWANSONG: pierce would be better still, that it'll be able to counter artifacts and planeswalkers...but countering my own spell for a 2/2 flyer would make my delvers happy, added clock to a threat light deck we currently have.

And suddenly Relic of Progenitus, Nihil Spellbomb, Leyline of the Void and such get better and better :( I think the last thing RUG needs is more suseptability to graveyard hate. And especially not at 3 CMC.

It's cute at best, but I feel like it's got to be very powerful to make the cut into RUG.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

And suddenly Relic of Progenitus, Nihil Spellbomb, Leyline of the Void and such get better and better :( I think the last thing RUG needs is more suseptability to graveyard hate. And especially not at 3 CMC.

It's cute at best, but I feel like it's got to be very powerful to make the cut into RUG.

Yep. Sad.
Defimnitely a card for UR Delver, but I won't use it in Thresh. But it's nice to have one more Legacy playable card! :)

[DragoFireheart]

That Swan counterspell is trash. Just stick to pierce and flusterstorm.

[Barbed Blightning]

That Swan counterspell is trash. Just stick to pierce and flusterstorm.

Well, no, it's a cheap, versatile hard counter with a slight downside. I think it at least deserves some testing

[DragoFireheart]

Well, no, it's a cheap, versatile hard counter with a slight downside. I think it at least deserves some testing

If by slight downside you mean being able to kill one of our best creatures easily then sure, I agree.

How many situations do you have where Spell Pierce can't counter what you want?

[Barbed Blightning]

The Sol lands that Sneak runs?

EDIT: for that matter, I'm not talking about cutting spell pierce. I'm talking about cutting 1-2 flusterstorm in the SB

[Star|Scream]

If by slight downside you mean being able to kill one of our best creatures easily then sure, I agree.

How many situations do you have where Spell Pierce can't counter what you want?

Nic Fit? Miracles?

[DragoFireheart]

The Sol lands that Sneak runs?

EDIT: for that matter, I'm not talking about cutting spell pierce. I'm talking about cutting 1-2 flusterstorm in the SB

Oh, sideboard?

I thought we were talking maindeck. My bad. In that case then yes, unless you feel we really need Flusterstorm for Storm decks.

[Manipulato]

Hi Guys,

yesterday i played a small turney in our local shop and went 4:1 with RUG Delver.
Here the Top 4 Decks (I went 2nd) and a small report.

http://mtgdecks.net/events/view/11292

Round 1: Omni-Tell

Here I won 2:0 easily
In: +1 Spell Pierce + 2 REB + 1 Surgical Extraction
Out: - 2 Forked Bolt - 2 Spell Snare

Round 2: Death & Taxes

Here I won 2:0 again
In: + 2 Sulfur Elemental + 2 Ancient Grudge + 2 Rough/Tumble
Out: -4 Stifle -1 Spell Pierce -1 Force of Will

Round 3: Elves

I lost 1:2
Game 1: I mulled to 6 and kept a average hand and got punished by him turn 4.
Game 2: I crushed him with Rough/Tumble, Bolt + pressure.
Game 3: We both mulled to 6 and kept disrupting hands. My starting hand was Cage, Pierce, Daze, Mongoose, Waste & Fetch. He played 1st & 2nd turn Thoughtseize on my cage + pierce. I cant counter it because he was otp. After that i never saw a ponder, brainstorm, bolt, rough, delver, or ANYTHING relevant.
My draws were just 2 daze´s, tropical´s & monoose´s. 1 turn after my mongoose´s became 3/3 he played Ooze and finally killed me with his 3 lifepoints and a progenitus in the times

In: +2 Rough/ Tumble +3 Submerge +2 Grafdigger´s Cage
Out: -4 Stifle -2 Spell Snare -1 Pierce

Round 4: Mono R Burn

Here I won 2:0 easily again
In: +1 Spell Pierce
Out: -1 Stifle

Round 5: BR Burn/Random (With Bob, Lavamancer, PoP, Bolt, Vexing Devil etc...)

Won 2:0 again
In: +1 Spell Pierce
Out: -1 Stifle

Finally a 4:1 with the unlucky los against elves. The elves man lost 0:2 in Round 5 against Grixis Tempo but he was a friend and gave him a draw so he got 1st
So I picked a Foil Grove of the Burnwillows.

I played the deck the 1st time and were very satisfied with the deck. The 3 Goyfs were quiet good, I never missed a creature to make more pressure. The 2 Snare´s in the main were good too, they countered Thalia, Bob, PoP and Hymn...
Normally i would play 1 or 2 fluster storm in the sb and maybe a 1/1 split main with dismember/forked bolt but tried this variant for our local meta.

Greetings

[Dzra]

EDIT: for that matter, I'm not talking about cutting spell pierce. I'm talking about cutting 1-2 flusterstorm in the SB

Except for countering Enchantments though, Flusterstorm is just better in every way. Most times where you'd want either of these, Flusterstorm is even more of a "hard counter" in that they cannot counter it back except with another Flusterstorm.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

@ Manipulato: Congrats! Nice reslt and nice prize.
Btw, you must really hate D&T.

[Barbed Blightning]

Except for countering Enchantments though, Flusterstorm is just better in every way. Most times where you'd want either of these, Flusterstorm is even more of a "hard counter" in that they cannot counter it back except with another Flusterstorm.

Uhhhh all right. A hard counter, by definition, cannot be paid off. Fluster is just conditionally better.

If I had a choice of swan song or flusterstorm as my only card in hand against a late game show and tell or sneak, I'd choose song.

[Dzra]

Uhhhh all right. A hard counter, by definition, cannot be paid off. Fluster is just conditionally better.

They are both better than the other given certain conditions. If your opponent is casting an Instant or Sorcery and the number of spells cast that turn is equal or greater than the amount of available mana that they have open then Flusterstorm is better. Otherwise, or if they cast an Enchantment, then sure Swan Song can be better. Although, this still doesn't take into account that you are most likely racing them and that giving them a blocker that either kills Delver or buys them a turn against Goyf/Mongoose is actually relevant.

[Barbed Blightning]

Depends on the type of combo. Against storm and Belcher, fluster is the obvious choice, as those archetypes rely on chaining spells. Against S&T or Reanimator, however, they are just trying to resolve a single, bombastic spell. Here Song is much better since they either have the mana up for a 2-count fluster or cast an enchantment.

Where song gets even better is the control match. Will I trade a RIP, Counterbalance or Moat for a 2/2 delver killer? Of course.

Not to mention it gives us some extra hate vs the odd enchantress matchup.

[Mr. Crane]

Hi Guys,


Round 2: Death & Taxes

Here I won 2:0 again
In: + 2 Sulfur Elemental + 2 Ancient Grudge + 2 Rough/Tumble
Out: -4 Stifle -1 Spell Pierce -1 Force of Will

Round 3: Elves

I lost 1:2
Game 1: I mulled to 6 and kept a average hand and got punished by him turn 4.
Game 2: I crushed him with Rough/Tumble, Bolt + pressure.
Game 3: We both mulled to 6 and kept disrupting hands. My starting hand was Cage, Pierce, Daze, Mongoose, Waste & Fetch. He played 1st & 2nd turn Thoughtseize on my cage + pierce. I cant counter it because he was otp. After that i never saw a ponder, brainstorm, bolt, rough, delver, or ANYTHING relevant.
My draws were just 2 daze´s, tropical´s & monoose´s. 1 turn after my mongoose´s became 3/3 he played Ooze and finally killed me with his 3 lifepoints and a progenitus in the times

In: +2 Rough/ Tumble +3 Submerge +2 Grafdigger´s Cage
Out: -4 Stifle -2 Spell Snare -1 Pierce
Greetings

first, congratz.

Sideout stifle against death and taxes? Im like this card in this matchup, he´s have: wasteland, trickplays(mangara etc.), mother of runes, stoneforge and batterskull, sometimes against equips, rip or relic from sideboard. Your list have 29 blue spells, pos board with your plan d you have 23. Im like keep 2 or 3 stifles, maybe 4 if im know about multiples rip/relic. Im like cut more fows and pierces.

Against elves, stifle for behemont and small interactions (wirewood, rangers), cutting few creatures(mongoose), what you think about this plan?

tnx

[Quasim0ff]

Uhhhh all right. A hard counter, by definition, cannot be paid off. Fluster is just conditionally better.

If I had a choice of swan song or flusterstorm as my only card in hand against a late game show and tell or sneak, I'd choose song.

If you ONLY have flusterstorm in lategame vs SnT you're doing it wrong.

If the SnT goes for it without any protection, he is also doing it wrong.

The ONLY reason I'd want swan song vs SnT is of they are on Sneak Attack/Dream Halls plan. Flusterstorm is just bad vs those cards, but you should have counters for these, which means flusterstorm is still better.

[Barbed Blightning]

If you ONLY have flusterstorm in lategame vs SnT you're doing it wrong.

If the SnT goes for it without any protection, he is also doing it wrong.

The ONLY reason I'd want swan song vs SnT is of they are on Sneak Attack/Dream Halls plan. Flusterstorm is just bad vs those cards, but you should have counters for these, which means flusterstorm is still better.

I didn't realize we lived in a fantasy universe where S&T can never have more than one kill spell in a game. Or that RUG always triple force of will in opening hand