[Primer] Elves!

[danyul]

They just shoot your Eladamri and then shoot your other guys. You might as well GSZ up a Wirewood Symbiote. Does the same thing, pretty much. But without the drawback of blanking all your untap effects.

If you want the forestwalk, Elvish Champion is better.
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But they can just shoot that too!

[HoneyT]

The jund matchup of 2 days ago got me thinking about Eladamri, Lord of Leaves. I saw so many lightning bolts, plowshares and abrupt decays this weekend that I'm considering Eladamri, Lord of Leaves as a sideboard Green Sun's Zenith option. It helps me especially in the Jund matchup because they have goyfs and forests, which means I can bypass their biggest threat and clock them regardless. I understand that it disables Quirion Ranger's target, but I can still use it with Dryad Arbor. Natural Order would also require a Dryad Arbor or a Wirewood Symbiote (Symbiote can also bounce eladamri so I can target a non-symbiote creature). What is your opinion on Eladamri in a meta invested with spot removal and forests?

Targets are declared before costs are paid. So you can't use Symbiote at all. Eladamri is just bad. The Jund matchup is not that bad. They have to kill every creature and cannot do that realistically. It's incredibly easy to overload their removal and combo off or fire of a NO.

[Kayradis]

I'm taking the rest of September off Elves.
Ideas what else I could play?
Heading towards TES or a degenerate combo deck

[Zombie]

I'm taking the rest of September off Elves.
Ideas what else I could play?
Heading towards TES or a degenerate combo deck

If you want to stay on the fair, tribal aggro style, TES is a good choice.

[Lemnear]

If you want to stay on the fair, tribal aggro style, TES is a good choice.

I agree ... "5-color-Goblins" is a nice way to take a break

[jarvisyu]

played a local GPT with NO Elves because 'I wanted to feel something'.

//20
9 Green Fetchland
2 Forest
2 Bayou
1 Savannah
2 Dryad Arbor
4 Gaea's Cradle

//29
1 Birchlore Rangers
2 Fyndhorn Elves
1 Llanowar Elves
3 Quirion Ranger
4 Heritage Druid
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Wirewood Symbiote
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Elvish Visionary
2 Craterhoof Behemoth

//11
4 Glimpse of Nature
3 Natural Order
4 Green Sun's Zenith

Sideboard
2 Abrupt Decay
4 Thoughtseize
3 Cabal Therapy
2 Mindbreak Trap
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Natural Order
1 Progenitus

minireport:
r1 vs UWr miracles: won 2-1
r2 vs RUG Delver: won 2-1
r3 vs Team America (with Liliana main, but had Tombstalkers): won 2-0
r4 vs UW Painter-Stone: Lost 0-2
r5 vs Sneak: Draw

r1 of t8 vs D&T: won 2-1 (died to flickerwisp beatdown in game 2, embarrassing)
r2 of t8 vs ANT: won 2-1 (nothing that interesting here, but I think i got extremely lucky to win)
r3 of t8 vs UW Painter-Stone: won 2-0 (did not board in Progenitus this time because I saw in the swiss that he was boarding in RiP vs me)

deck is extremely strong and I only really fear other fast combo decks (sneak/storm). the mass amounts of discard postboard help a lot, but Blood Moon is fairly scary from other decks too (i would consider maybe a 3rd basic forest).

I already had 3 byes for the GP, but there were also dual lands on the line for 1st vs 2nd (a tundra vs a scrubland, i want to say...?)

I played a lot of Extended Elves (after PT:Berlin), so picking up the deck again, I wasn't 100% blind...

[DragoFireheart]

, but Blood Moon is fairly scary from other decks too (i would consider maybe a 3rd basic forest).

Really? Blood Moon can impact this deck negatively?

[Kayradis]

Good finish!
I guess I'll see you in DC?

[Dice_Box]

Really? Blood Moon can impact this deck negatively?

If it is dropped turn one yes. If you have fetched a non basic and do not have a mana dork, or if you are on the draw you're more or less fucked. This is why I keep saying "Run more basics." Test against moon. Just because we can create lots of mana early does not change that if our starting suply gets choked off we are in deep water.

[Lemnear]

In all honest, running one more Basic in a 60 card pile changes nothing against T1 Bloodmon on the draw. You can't run 5-6 Basics and still expect DRS working either

[Dice_Box]

I agree with that, but I disagree with running only one basic. I feel 2 is the min that you should use.

[jarvisyu]

Good finish!
I guess I'll see you in DC?

I was going to be there regardless already, yeah (since i had 3 byes from 1500 pwp, so broken!)

who should I be looking out for namewise? :p

[HoneyT]

r3 of t8 vs UW Painter-Stone: won 2-0 (did not board in Progenitus this time because I saw in the swiss that he was boarding in RiP vs me)

Alright, let's clear things up. Progenitus is a replacement effect, not a trigger like Emrakul. RiP doesn't do anything against it. You just choose to shuffle Progenitus in instead of exiling it.

If he activates Grindstone with 1 Progenitus in your deck, Progenitus will be the last card in your deck and Grindstone will stop.

So you should board it in. It gives you one more turn to kill him.

[Zombie]

Alright, let's clear things up. Progenitus is a replacement effect, not a trigger like Emrakul. RiP doesn't do anything against it. You just choose to shuffle Progenitus in instead of exiling it.

If he activates Grindstone with 1 Progenitus in your deck, Progenitus will be the last card in your deck and Grindstone will stop.

So you should board it in. It gives you one more turn to kill him.

Actually, no. You have to eventually exile the Progenitus to end the loop. Choosing to shuffle works but tournament rules say if you can break an infinite draw-forcing loop you have to.

[danyul]

That is wildly confusing.

[Koby]

It's not a may effect so he can't be exiled to end the loop. The game would end in a draw.

Two replacements effecting the same card for the same action can be chosen in any order. Controller gets to pick which one. The game does NOT end up in a draw, since only one card is milled this way and Grindstone's continuation condition is not met (2 cards).

Actually, no. You have to eventually exile the Progenitus to end the loop. Choosing to shuffle works but tournament rules say if you can break an infinite draw-forcing loop you have to.

Only if you have two Progenitus. Grindstone does not continue if it only spots 1 card milled.

[Koby]

Even with two they still can not be exiled. The game would end in a draw at this point.

Only if there is no RIP in play as well. Please read this thread to understand why.

[kingtk3]

Actually, no. You have to eventually exile the Progenitus to end the loop. Choosing to shuffle works but tournament rules say if you can break an infinite draw-forcing loop you have to.

It's not a loop: if you have only a Progenitus in the deck it will be the last card remaining when grindstone is activated; since it will be only one card in the library, grindstone doesn't have another card to check so the loop breaks.

If you have 2 progenitus in the deck then you have a loop.

EDIT: ninja-ed by Koby...

[DragoFireheart]

Yes, a very good call from Koby. It's not a infinitely recurring loop as the player has the ability to make a choice at some point that will end the loop.

So, having the hydra against Grindstone can give you one more turn.

[HoneyT]

Thanks for the backing me there Koby. Apologies. I could have been clearer when explaining that; it was just a lot to type on my phone.