[Primer] Elves!

[Julian23]

By popular request from the stream, my list I'm playing some 2mans with tonight:

http://www.twitch.tv/itsjulian/

Just getting started with this whole streaming thing

4 Wooded Foothills
4 Windswept Heath
2 Verdant Catacombs
4 Gaea's Cradle
2 Bayou
2 Forest
2 Dryad Arbor

4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Heritage Drid
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Quirion Ranger
4 Elvish Visionary
4 Wirewood Symbiote
2 Llanowar Elves
2 Craterhoof Behemoth
1 Birchlore Ranger

4 Glimpse of Nature
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Natural Order

SB:
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Duress
2 Mindbreak Trap
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Progenitus
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Natural Order

[Zombie]

-2 Mindbreak Trap, please. If for no other reason then to stop my eyes from bleeding

[Julian23]

I think people are misevaluating what the card is meant for. Sure, it's nice-to-have against TES and ANT but far from being as potent as Thorn or a hatebear. However, what I want it against is the insanely fast decks like Belcher and Tin Fins. You're not always going to have it in your starting 7 but at least it represents an out against those decks.

Having said this, I am also seeing myself moving away from the as their are useless against all kinds of Show and Tell combo.

[Dice_Box]

Can we make requests on the song choice?

[Julian23]

Yeah of course, but since this is not my personal stream thread (which I might open soon, stay tuned), you might wanna use the twitch chat :-)

[Dice_Box]

By popular request from the stream, my list I'm playing some 2mans with tonight:

http://www.twitch.tv/itsjulian/

Just getting started with this whole streaming thing

4 Wooded Foothills
4 Windswept Heath
2 Verdant Catacombs
4 Gaea's Cradle
2 Bayou
2 Forest
2 Dryad Arbor

4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Heritage Drid
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Quirion Ranger
4 Elvish Visionary
4 Wirewood Symbiote

4 Glimpse of Nature
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Natural Order

SB:
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Duress
2 Mindbreak Trap
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Progenitus
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Natural Order

The main looks... understocked.

[Julian23]

Thanks, I already edited in the 2 Craterhoof, 2 Llanowar and 1 Birchlore that were missing. Typed it out in a hurry when the stream chat asked for the list

[Kayradis]

If I'd knew I would have watched.

Wait.

Where's Rurir Thar?

[Bongo]

Small question to the elvish champions out there:

How do you win the mirror-match?

Recently the popularity of Elves has been rising, so there's an increased need to be prepared for the mirror. Jitte, Orzhov Pontiff, Gut Shot? Is there a good target one can get with GSZ? Or is it simply not worth to run anything?

[Kayradis]

I see the mirror as a 100-Meters dash. You either win by sheer speed or make sure your opponent trips on his own shoe laces.

If you have access to Priest Of Titania, GSZ for 2 on T2 and it's mostly GG since you'll GSZ/NO right after.

EDIT: Love your avatar.

[danyul]

Small question to the elvish champions out there:

How do you win the mirror-match?

Recently the popularity of Elves has been rising, so there's an increased need to be prepared for the mirror. Jitte, Orzhov Pontiff, Gut Shot? Is there a good target one can get with GSZ? Or is it simply not worth to run anything?

Bring in Cabal Therapy + draw better than them + be on the play. Always name Natural Order with Therapy, unless you have some sick read on another card.

[Kayradis]

I'd bring Toughtseize > Cabal Therapies.

Or both.

Just sayin.

[danyul]

Thoughtseize for Easy Mode. Therapy for Hard Mode.

[Kayradis]

<- <- <- -> ^ ^ {Select} unlock all modes?

[Kayradis]

Julian, are you streaming?

[trevaftw]

Julian, are you streaming?

He is currently. If you scroll up the link should be there still.

[Kayradis]

Cant see if from twitch on xbox

[Lord_of_Rivendell]

I've been looking through some other primers on this board and noticed that some have extensive sections describing what to side in and out against particular decks. I realize that there are several approaches to which cards we select for our sideboard fifteen, but thought it might be a good project for us, as Theros isn't giving us much in the way of improving our deck, to work on sideboard resource.

While I have some experience playing this deck, so many of the regulars have so much more. So, I would defer to that expertise.

Perhaps we could come up with some sets of fifteen we might choose among and then make suggestions for what to side in and out for each of the lists vs. decks we might face.

Let's assume we're starting with this deck:



2 Bayou
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Forest
4 Gaea's Cradle
1 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath
2 Wooded Foothills
4 Verdant Catacombs

3 Birchlore Ranger
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Elvish Visionary
4 Heritage Druid
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Quirion Ranger
4 Wirewood Symbiote
2 Craterhoof Behemoth

4 Glimpse of Nature
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Natural Order
(I know there are other viable deck lists, but we need a place to start)

Here's a start on the decks we might face (please add others):
Affinity
BUG Delver
Burn
Dredge
High Tide
Lands
Manaless Dredge
Merfolk
Nic Fit
Painter Stone
Pox
RUG Delver
Stoneblade Control
TES
The Gate
The Rock
Turbo Eldrazi
U/W Miracles
Zoo

If this has already been done and I missed it, no worries. But it seemed like an interesting project for the thread.

LoR

[danyul]

Yeah. I got lazy when it came to the Matchups section. I've been meaning to edit in some stuff but IRL makes me lazy and nobody seemed to be asking for it. I'll try to write something up when I get some time after work tomorrow. Also, I'm not sure Pox or The Gate are actually decks right now. Probably just looking at the current DTB section and a few random format staples should be good enough.

[Kayradis]

I still can't understand the 18 and + lands list.
Everytime I was running more than 17, I ended up being flooded big time.
17 lands just seems so right to me IMHO.