[Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

[Lemnear]

The german limited black bordered ones' text still sound like my grampa wrote it. REALLY oldschool ;D


No love for the bizarre and horrific Judge Promo Art?

[oSeabass]

No love for the bizarre and horrific Judge Promo Art?

The art is just... odd. I think I am also going to avoid foils and cards with white borders. In the deck there is only a few foils (which I need to remedy), AN, and Cabal Therapy (boring Graveborn ones). I want to have only 1 foil, AN, and only 3 (4 in board) white border (dual lands). This way, when I am sifting through the deck on a tutor or fetch land, I know what to look for quicker. Need AN? Find the sole shiny card. Need a dual land? Look for where the white border sticks out. Fanning the cards out a bit and quickly scanning based on border or foil, really helps me tutor faster... which gives me more time to think my play through until I can auto pilot it better.

[Jay_Gatz]

The art is just... odd. I think I am also going to avoid foils and cards with white borders. In the deck there is only a few foils (which I need to remedy), AN, and Cabal Therapy (boring Graveborn ones). I want to have only 1 foil, AN, and only 3 (4 in board) white border (dual lands). This way, when I am sifting through the deck on a tutor or fetch land, I know what to look for quicker. Need AN? Find the sole shiny card. Need a dual land? Look for where the white border sticks out. Fanning the cards out a bit and quickly scanning based on border or foil, really helps me tutor faster... which gives me more time to think my play through until I can auto pilot it better.

I'd be very wary of this. Having a single foil, especially a one of like as nauseam is an easy way to get busted for marked cards.

[oSeabass]

The german limited black bordered ones' text still sound like my grampa wrote it. REALLY oldschool ;D

Just checked the text on it. The best thing about that is the German word for Interrupt...


Unterbrechungszauber!

[oSeabass]

I'd be very wary of this. Having a single foil, especially a one of like as nauseam is an easy way to get busted for marked cards.

At my local shop it isn't much of an issue. I plan on playing in bigger tournaments with the deck, I will be "judge proofing" the deck. Taking out the full art alters of the dark rituals, and the foils in the maindeck to replace with boring non foil. The only thing I still worry about is the 3 foil Cabal Therapy, since it is the crappy Graveborn ones that have that awful foiling process that makes them have the weird bend. I need to get my hands on some normal Judegment Therapy.

[Barbed Blightning]

The german limited black bordered ones' text still sound like my grampa wrote it. REALLY oldschool ;D

No love for the bizarre and horrific Judge Promo Art?

To me it looks like a bug is getting cracked open.

I like the same FBB too. Then again, German > Everything else (except maybe Russian)

[P-E]

Looking on Troll & Toad, I think it is Italian/Spanish. The copyright date makes it less cool, but the wording is awesome IMHO, "Reserva de mana!". I'm a sucker for lame ones like this, because I can stumble my way through pronouncing the words. Asian foreign languages, I cannot fake my way through.

It's portuguese.
Beta ones are the best when they're paired with beta duals
otherwise German fbb with german fbb duals

[Griselpuff]

Duress LED Empty the Warrens Dark Ritual Dark Ritual Ponder Burning Wish

Would you keep this hand on the play? On the draw?

[JUNI0R]

Duress LED Empty the Warrens Dark Ritual Dark Ritual Ponder Burning Wish

Would you keep this hand on the play? On the draw?

I wouldn't keep it on the play or draw. Too much has to go right, you basically have to runner runner 2 intial mana sources or ims, ad nauseum or ims, infernal or I'm sure there's a couple other combinations but we're talking bad odds. Even with the ponder it's not worth the it to me.

[phazonmutant]

The german limited black bordered ones' text still sound like my grampa wrote it. REALLY oldschool ;D


No love for the bizarre and horrific Judge Promo Art?

Haha, makes me wish I could read any of the ferrin cards I have. A Korean friend told me Korean Ancient Tomb translates to "Old person grave". So I guess they can be pretty literal...

What, you mean the owl being cracked open for black mana? No way. It's new border, foil, promo, and has horrific art. I'm not sure how a card could strike out harder.

[Lemnear]

Duress LED Empty the Warrens Dark Ritual Dark Ritual Ponder Burning Wish

Would you keep this hand on the play? On the draw?

I might consider it if the Rituals and Tutors would match. In this case and especially without initial mana it's a mull in either case

Edit: more than 3 weeks left till Paris, but the MB and SB for the Mainevent is already set in stone. Time to fix my side-event-deck ... muahahahahahaha

[Lemnear]

Haha, makes me wish I could read any of the ferrin cards I have. A Korean friend told me Korean Ancient Tomb translates to "Old person grave". So I guess they can be pretty literal...

What, you mean the owl being cracked open for black mana? No way. It's new border, foil, promo, and has horrific art. I'm not sure how a card could strike out harder.

[paeng4983]

Duress LED Empty the Warrens Dark Ritual Dark Ritual Ponder Burning Wish

Would you keep this hand on the play? On the draw?

Either on the play or on the draw, it's a clear mulligan.
I will not gamble on this one.
TES is capable of going off even mull to 5.
^_^

[Griselpuff]

I might consider it if the Rituals and Tutors would match. In this case and especially without initial mana it's a mull in either case

Edit: more than 3 weeks left till Paris, but the MB and SB for the Mainevent is already set in stone. Time to fix my side-event-deck ... muahahahahahaha

Might I ask what differences your list has with the list in the primer and why?

[Asthereal]

Lemnear usually plays the exact same 75 as in the opening post.
See his five tourney reports "Heart of the Storm" in his signature.
Keep in mind the sideboard changes -1 Gains, -1 Decay, +1 Trop, +1 Swarm are very new.

Right now I believe Lemnear tests the main deck change -1 Chrome Mox, +1 fetch land.
Another main deck change that is being tested in the Netherlands is -1 Burning Wish, +1 fetch land.
I personally believe that last change could be an overall improvement to the deck, but it's designer Bryant disagrees.

So now you know the different TES lists that are being tried. All changes are small ones.
Skill will make a much bigger difference than playing an optimal list, whatever it may be.

[Bryant Cook]

Lemnear usually plays the exact same 75 as in the opening post.
See his five tourney reports "Heart of the Storm" in his signature.
Keep in mind the sideboard changes -1 Gains, -1 Decay, +1 Trop, +1 Swarm are very new.

Right now I believe Lemnear tests the main deck change -1 Chrome Mox, +1 fetch land.
Another main deck change that is being tested in the Netherlands is -1 Burning Wish, +1 fetch land.
I personally believe that last change could be an overall improvement to the deck, but it's designer Bryant disagrees.

Yeah, let's take out one of our few win conditions. Great idea!

[Asthereal]

Yeah, let's take out one of our few win conditions. Great idea!

I knew you were going to say that.

The idea is that 12 cantrips can easily find one of our 9 remaining wincons.
We do need lands to cast those cantrips though.
Like I said, I personally feel it's a good change, but I have no proof. No million test results.

[Pelikanudo]

Yeah, let's take out one of our few win conditions. Great idea!

I personally prefer to play with 4 B.Wish, however Bahamut I think plays the list with only 3, and he plays 13 lands, he even was the first to propose the inclusión of EtW in main...

But if you're going to take out IGG, maybe 3 B.Wish can be an option.

On overall 3 B.W 4 I.T 1 ETW are not as low number as Business Spells.

I personally play anyway 4 B.W and IGG.

[oSeabass]

On overall 3 B.W 4 I.T 1 ETW are not as low number as Business Spells.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't one of the great reasons about 4 Burning Wish, is that in some tricky matches (forget which specifically I need to reread BC's primer) you take out a Ponder and Infernal Tutor to the board. This makes them, primarily the IT, wishable. Going down to 3 wishes lowers the effectiveness of this, as well as cuts out the reach needed with PiF.

For a while I was testing around with the -1 Mox, +1 Fetch, because I liked the extra shuffle effect to be able to keep 3 on a Ponder and shuffle 2 of them away. After playing with the deck more, I am realizing how important just going for AN is, and sometimes the 3rd Mox is really helpful to beat Wasteland. Having the extra fetch when we bring in the 4th searchable land in the board (Tropical Island) seems ok, but I haven't tested the -1 Mox +1 fetch chance with the BC approved SB changes of -1 AD, -1 IGG, +1 Tropical Island, +1 Swarm.

So far, the extra Swarm has proven to be great against the growing number of blue based Show and Tell decks (Omni-Tell, Sneak and Show, etc.). Swarm has allowed me to combo, as well as providing a blocker for Emrakul when I had to pass the turn with critical mass Goblins at 1 life to answer a Leyline. I also like the extra land to be a little nicer against Wasteland decks.

[Asthereal]

You could add the fourth Burning Wish to eeh sideboard if you feel that siding out an Infernal is too important to not be able to do at all. You then just sidfe -1 Infernal +1 Wish and have the same setup postboard. I tried the fourth Wish in the board and wasn't sure it was necessary, but I have a lot less experience with the whole idea of cutting a Wish than my fellow Dutchman Bahamuth does. I just feel the deck runs slightly more smoothly with one less Wish. The 12 cantrips usually find me a business spell fast enough, and I get a lot less awkward hands with 2x Wish and an Infernal. Also the extra fetch land helps cantripping and reduces the chance of drawing no-landers.