It's a good card that will see play, perhaps more in Stoneblade decks than in Merfolk, since it doesn't disrupt or pump. It'll be annoying with a Jitte, but I wouldn't be too worried about it. Reminds me of Troll Ascetic, but unblockable, and blue. Strange.
Just goes to show how weird the MtG color pie has become. Blue, White, and Green all have similar protection from or untargettable abilities.
Lucky Zealous Persecution takes it! :D Still so against the card.
This guy is good, but let's not go all 'chicken-little-sky-is-falling' here.
-Tempo decks can simply counter this guy with Daze, FoW, or red blasts and/or hold their opponents off of having mana to cast him via Stifle/Wasteland. (And tempo decks will likely be playing their own)
-Combo decks can simply ignore it and win on their usual turn 2/3. This guy is really not much more than an over-costed Mongoose in these matchups.
-Aggro/Midrange and Control can either play their own, or just enact their usual strategy of pulling ahead via card advantage.
BUG and Esper have ways of dealing with it. Liliana is a fine planeswalker and worth playing maindeck. Esper has access to Supreme Verdict. In the SB, Engineered Plague, Massacre, Golgari Charm and Zealous Persecution were already good due to the presence of Elves, Maverick/DnT and tokens. Control decks will just need to be sure to pack some sweepers.
At 3 mana, a card needs to be fairly powerful to consider playing in Legacy. At 3 CMC we have stuff like Show and Tell, Liliana otV, KotR, Crucible of Worlds, Geist of St. Traft, etc. A 3/1 Progenitus is powerful, and might shake up the format a little bit, but I really doubt that the card is going be that warping in comparison to something like, say, Mental Misstep.
This sort of over-reaction always tends to happen when something unprecedented gets printed.
Perhaps UWx 'Blouses' will become a competitive deck? Perhaps starting with a creature base like so: Stoneforge Mystic, Invisible Stalker, Geist of St. Traft, and Identity Nemesis.
I do agree with the sentiment that it's a stupid design. I feel that anything that limits meaningful interaction is a bad thing for Legacy.
It's not a definite replacement for Clique, as long as the deck doesn't curve out at Clique he's still clearning the road for Jace and what not.Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin
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Forcing them to cycle their best card and flash are really not a competition for Hexproof, unblockable, Jitte-prevention and Goyf-blocking. I think that any non-combo decks Nemesis is just better and Geist is also not a competitor with this.
I don't think this card is that great in a tempo shell. At least, you won't be able just replace Mongoose from RUG Tempo with this guy and call it good. This guy doesn't have flash you are going to need to run a bunch more lands to actually cast it and that is going to make Delver worse. I can see the card play a role like Geist of Saint Traft for decks that don't splash white, but for a version already splashing green, they will need a compelling reason not to just run Nimble Mongoose. Maybe some kind 3-4 color Counterbalance/Goyf deck from when Goyf was first released. Identity Nemesis would at least be a solid 3cc for CB.
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Any idea what commander deck this will be in? I know nothing about commander and I haven't been able to find it through the spoilers.
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For people who don't think this card is insane, would you look at it differently if it were 3/1 Protection from Everything? I think perhaps the wording on the card is new and unfamiliar, but if you think of it as a hexproof version of Progenitus the card is just stupid. You invest 2GG and a creature to get Progenitus and only 1UU for mini-Progenitus, so even when they somehow get rid of it, you're still in fine shape. Card is nuts, best 3 drop in the format (where 3 drops suck). This card drastically changes the fair deck match-ups because every game comes down to a race.
This card is good, but definitely not format warping. I don't know Merfolk well enough to say if it could get a spot, but I doubt it will be a four of. Is it all that much better than Etched Champion? It'll get tested in decks that run clique, but is only an upgrade in a meta with few combo decks and lots of aggro.
However, I really can't believe this got printed as a blue card. I doubt it would generate half the hype as a white or green card, both of which feel more appropriate (aside from the merfolk subtype). Nothing about this card seems blue, and this just reinforces the idea that Wizards favors that color. It feels like they wanted to test out pro-player with a potentially playable card, and made it blue so people would test it.
Not format-warping like misstep, but definitely format-shaping like Delver. It will be an auto-include for some decks right off the bat, and others will probably start to adapt to it.
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Which comm product(s?) would it be in? The wub one?
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I forgot the part where Mongoose is unblockable and unkillable.
Someone try to tell me this card is worse against Jace than Clique. I double-dog dare you mother fuckers.
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looks like i'll be preordering 4 mind seize commander sets. it has baleful strix AND "true-name" nemesis
so do 90% of all the creatures played in legacy, the comment is moot.
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Did a testing session with this guy yesterday evening. Used him in UW Blade and BUG Tempo. He didn't quite fit any of those decks but won games simply due to being... you know... unkillable? Hillarious creature.
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Although Geist can't attack into a moat, but the token still has flying :P
I really think he'll see a good amount of play just by nature of how difficult he is to deal with. While the unfair decks do make up a good part of the field (about 1/3 by the GP analysis in another thread), there are a lot of fair matchups where this guy will shine. Plus, he increase your blue density for mainboard force of wills, which is great.
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