Commander 2013 discussion

[Goaswerfraiejen]

Toxic Deluge looks very promising.

[Nihil Credo]

Does Opal Palace just make colorless in Legacy?

If you mean the second ability, no. It has the same wording as Command Tower: if you have no commander or your commander is colourless, it doesn't make any mana at all. If you meant the first ability, duh.

[Star|Scream]

Grixis Deck is insane value. Notable cards are: True-Name Nemesis, Baleful Strix, Sol Ring, Strategic Planning (Doubt that'll be 40 bucks though lol), and all of the new cards which might be a few bucks.

Edit: Also, I really love a lot of the new art for some of the reprints. Some of them are quite nice.

Where did you get the actual deck list info?

[Lemnear]

Where did you get the actual deck list info?

Online at the mothership

[SirTylerGalt]

I've always wanted to build a Grixis Slaver deck, with Baleful Strix, Sensei's Top, Goblin Welder, Thirst for Knowledge, Tezzeret... But always missed a good black sweeper. Toxic Deluge might solve that problem :)

It's also pretty good in a Death's Shadow deck to clear the board :p

I can't wait to cast Unexpectedly Absent to bounce a CounterBalance when Miracles taps top to miracle an Entreat.

[Gheizen64]

Wow Lim's Dul vault reprinted, didn't expect that. Red got yet another sweeper, this time color-selected, because red is obviously control color zz.

[Star|Scream]

Online at the mothership

Thank you.

[Cire]

What about:

Widespread Panic 2r
Enchantment
Whenever a spell or ability causes its controller to shuffle his or her library, that player puts a card from his or her hand on top of his or her library.

In a Blood Moon Deck? Get out early and reap in the benefits?

[rufus]

What about:

Widespread Panic 2r
Enchantment
Whenever a spell or ability causes its controller to shuffle his or her library, that player puts a card from his or her hand on top of his or her library.

In a Blood Moon Deck? Get out early and reap in the benefits?

Does nothing by itself, and takes a long time to come out outside of a stompy mana base. It would be marginally more interesting if it were a replacement instead of a triggered ability, but mostly it seems awful. I guess you can sleeve up your Soldier of Fortunes. They could have at least given it a body and flash like Aven Mindcensor or made the cc more reasonable like Leonin Arbiter.

[Momuney]

Toxic Deluge does indeed look very promosing. Depending on the composition of the deck that it is in, it can be a one-sided sweeper against goblins, merfolk (especially with the new mini-progenitus), D&T, and BUG or cascade variants that don't run high goyf/tombstalker (for BUG) counts. I am just not sure yet what deck wants this card.

[Koby]

Wow Lim's Dul vault reprinted, didn't expect that. Red got yet another sweeper, this time color-selected, because red is obviously control color zz.

This one is actually good. Not Legacy good (because Pyroclasm), but seems like it may make a splash in Young Pyromancer decks vs Elves, Delvers/merfolk, or D&T.

[TsumiBand]

Toxic Deluge is bad ass. In lots of formats. Hell yes I'd pay 5 life to wipe the board, if it meant getting rid of all the derpy indestructible hexproof "protection from players" garbage, or even just having them onboard to pay 2-3 life in the early game against a weenie rush. That's cool as shit.

I can't tell if Widespread Panic is very good, or if it's just a near-miss. I can imagine all kinds of situations where a mono-red deck would never want to shuffle and would never be affected by this, and so it would make fetchland + Brainstorm players have a little pause, I guess? But I can imagine a lot of things. I wonder if it will do what it looks like it's trying to do.

Restore is really neat. I feel like there are a ton of interesting ways to use it. It gives those one-mana cycling lands an interesting new interaction; maybe(?) a Loam deck would benefit from being able to use the same cards to draw things as well as accelerate their mana.

Unexpectedly Absent is pretty slick. I'm liking the ability to hide shit in the library as a White trick. As an Instant, responding to fetchland activations turns it into a 2-mana Vindicate. Given the kind of power creep in creatures we've experienced over the last like eight years, that's pretty okay with me.

So I still think True-Name Emesis is in the wrong color and probably never needed to exist, but then again I've always kinda wanted to play Blouses, so maybe whatever. But all in all I don't feel like a huge disservice has been done anymore.

[guelahpapyrus]

What about:

Widespread Panic 2r
Enchantment
Whenever a spell or ability causes its controller to shuffle his or her library, that player puts a card from his or her hand on top of his or her library.

In a Blood Moon Deck? Get out early and reap in the benefits?

Flavor text should be:

"He sent pieces of his mind on tour."

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

The problem with Toxic Deluge is that there's not actually a lot of good control-y lifegain in black to make up the difference again. You could go white but I'm not sure at that point that it's better than Terminus or Supreme Verdict.

[Aggro_zombies]

The problem with Toxic Deluge is that there's not actually a lot of good control-y lifegain in black to make up the difference again. You could go white but I'm not sure at that point that it's better than Terminus or Supreme Verdict.

A BUG control deck with, say, Thopter Foundry might be interested in that effect. I'm not sure what such a deck would look like or whether it's anywhere close to as good as Miracles, but it's a possibility.

[Darkenslight]

A BUG control deck with, say, Thopter Foundry might be interested in that effect. I'm not sure what such a deck would look like or whether it's anywhere close to as good as Miracles, but it's a possibility.

Then perhaps it's time to brew....

[TsumiBand]

Does nothing by itself, and takes a long time to come out outside of a stompy mana base. It would be marginally more interesting if it were a replacement instead of a triggered ability, but mostly it seems awful. I guess you can sleeve up your Soldier of Fortunes. They could have at least given it a body and flash like Aven Mindcensor or made the cc more reasonable like Leonin Arbiter.

So I was under the idea that nearly every deck makes use of tutors or fetchlands... doesn't this affect anyone who would use a "top of library" tutor or would go for the Brainstorm/fetch combo, or anything similar? I don't know that constantly Memory Lapsing yourself to have access to all the colors is a proposition every deck is willing to entertain.

I mean yeah it costs 3, if that's what you primarily dislike about it, but I think it might be worth 3 mana to set Brainstorm back.

[AngryTroll]

I'm disappointed that there aren't any two color legendary creatures. The mothership article didn't link to Kongming, "Sleeping Dragon", making it look like Kongming was a new card, and I was really hopeful that it would be some sort of cool WB legendary dragon.

[UnderwaterGuy]

I'm disappointed that there aren't any two color legendary creatures. The mothership article didn't link to Kongming, "Sleeping Dragon", making it look like Kongming was a new card, and I was really hopeful that it would be some sort of cool WB legendary dragon.

Highly disappointed. I can't believe there were not more generals. Last time we got 15 new ones but this time there are only 10.

[Aggro_zombies]

To be fair, in the last year we did just get twenty new two-color generals, plus five more in Theros. There's also the fact that the shards had more legendary support prior to this Commander release than the wedges did at the time - or, indeed, than some of the enemy two-color combinations did (like UG).

That said, I, too, was hoping for more new legendary creatures.