Lantern, i advise you to sign up for Pucatrade. It'll allow you to unload many of the cards you have but don't care about. It's the most cost effective way to stockpile legacy cards IMO.
I second Arianrhod's advice. The core of the deck is:
4 Veteran Explorer
4 Cabal Therapy
X Pernicious Deed
X Sensei's Divining Top
x Green Sun's Zenith
These numbers can be fudged to suit your budget, but I would definitely prioritize these cards over fetchlands, at least in the interim. These cards are pretty much essential to any NicFit build regardless of color, so tackle these first.
Happy hunting
Punishing BitchFit http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post757460
Oh no, I agree with you Arian. I just like picking up the cards that will have a wider use first. GSZ, Therapy, Deed and Top are good examples of these. If he ever does drop Nic Fit in the future, he has the startings of other decks. Explorer is probably the only card in your listing of what to get first that doesnt see much use elsewhere, but its very cheap. Unlike a card such as Grindstone, which is seen in one deck (I consider imperial and UR similar enough) and is around $15-20 near me.
As for a prime time replacement, why not Kodama of the North Tree. Its a Craw Wurm with upside in that you cant swords it.
I mean prime time isn't expensive and it's only a 1 of. It just wins games
Originally Posted by Richard Cheese
Furthermore, I heard non trustful rumors that fetches would be reprinted, so it might be worth to wait a little. It's just a rumor, but they were right about thoughtseize, so it might be worth to wait to get some fetches.
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0-2-1 drop on my first playthrough of Nic Fit
0-2 Lands and Tron (I am not joking and makes me sad)
1-1-1 UR Painter.
Lands guy said match-up was in my favor.... but im unsure there. How do you side against Lands? Im guessing games is pretty good, but....
I need a lot more playtime with the deck im guessing.... ugh this really sucks
Against Lands, getting rid of their loams is pretty key.
Which version of Nic Fit are you playing?
Punishing Nic Fit, the list from the OP just to get my feet wet.
Planning on heading to SCG Las Vegas in December.
Going to start playtesting with this:
nic-fit bug by Picklock
Format: Legacy - THS
MAIN DECK
4 Baleful Strix
2 Eternal Witness
1 Hornet Queen
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Thragtusk
4 Veteran Explorer
Creatures [13]
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3 Liliana of the Veil
Planeswalkers [5]
2 Abrupt Decay
4 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Counterspell
1 Diabolic Intent
3 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Negate
3 Pernicious Deed
Spells [20]
2 Bayou
2 Creeping Tar Pit
2 Forest
2 Island
3 Misty Rainforest
2 Phyrexian Tower
3 Polluted Delta
2 Swamp
2 Tropical Island
1 Underground Sea
2 Verdant Catacombs
Lands [23]
Last time I played bug fit I utilized Fierce Empath as a bomb tutor, which felt powerful, since I couldn't otherwise tutor for Grave Titan or Consecrated Sphinx (I don't know about anyone else, but that is by far my favorite creature to have the board). But it was a bit too clunky. This time I just fit all my bombs in the Zenith package, counting on Brainstorm and Jace to keep Sigarda in the deck. It might be wrong not to run Force of Will, but the blue count isn't exactly ideal. 14 if I squeezed in a playset, since Counterspell and Negate would be two of the cuts.
Still brainstorming -heh- on the sideboard. Figuring I'll want some number of the following:
Swan Song
Counterspell
Innocent Blood
Leyline of the Void
Scavenging Ooze? I'd prefer him in the main but I'm not sure what to cut..
Maelstrom Pulse
Engineered Plague
oh, and as terrible as it is.. I kind of have a goal. I want to cast Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker in legacy. So I'm going to squeeze him and a Badlands into the sideboard. I'm thinking the only time I'd get to cast him would be against Miracles so the one red source should do it.
1 Badlands
1 Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Maelstrom Pulse
4 Swan Song
2 Counterspell
1 Engineered Plague
1 Innocent Blood
Maybe?
EDIT: @Kavaki
If you're running the same 75 as the OP, Surgical and Slaughter Games look like your key sideboard cards. The Abrupt Decay could be good depending on their list. It hits all the deck's enablers and lock pieces.
Hmmm, I'm also playtesting a BUG list.
I went harder for the PW plan. The punishing fire version of this deck was also sweet but all-in-all I feel like blue is better suited for fighting against combo.deck
I tried Bolas several times, but he really is too "cute" to be included. When you eventually land him, the game is already over.
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Polluted Delta
2 Forest
2 Island
3 Swamp
3 Verdant Catacombs
4 Bayou
4 Underground Sea
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
2 Vraska the Unseen
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Batterskull
2 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Pernicious Deed
1 Counterspell
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Brainstorm
3 Negate
1 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Hymn to Tourach
4 Cabal Therapy
SB: 3 Golgari Charm
SB: 3 Surgical extraction
SB: 2 Flusterstorm
SB: 4 Force of Will
SB: 3 Swan song
I've readed throught some lists, and decided that i want to build scapewish. according to my caclulations, it will fit my budget just fine (replacing fetches and ABU:s with shocks and elders), But i have a question about the sideB. Why do you run only ReB:s and not a split of Red elemental blasts's and Pyroblasts? I mean, arent they the same thing, but if they get extirpated/whatever you still have half of them left with a split.
I will admit that I didnt bring in games, but I brought in Extractions as I knew I could catch a loam in the yard. Afterwards I found out he still runs thickets, which is something people have been cutting, so I screwed up there.
I can say the deck is harder than it appears at first blush. It also doesnt help that I havent faced lands for 6-10 months, painter was never (although I know the deck), so I'll just keep practicing for Baltimore....
Pyroblasts can be misdirected away from what we want to hit, REB's can't. We arent a storm deck, so the application of using it as free storm is lost on us.
I've like the GSZ plan because of the consistency (4 copies of Thrag, 3 copies of Sigarda, 4 of the Queen, etc.) plus the utility. But planeswalkers are definitely harder to deal with (cute Spell Pierce) and Brainstorm balances out the consistency a bit.
How have Ashiok and Vraska been for you? I've never played a single game with either of them.
Oh, and PW+P-Deed is a glorious thing.
Indeed.
Well generally opponents will focus hard to get rid of Jace and Liliana. Then you land Vraska and the game is usually over.
At first glance, her +1 is not THAT helpfull but between DRS +2 life activation, you can get to tank a little bit more, just enough to draw/cantrip into another sweeper/protection.
I found her very hard to deal with after a pernicious deed as she will most likely generate some CA while your opponent is digging for answers (creatures, direct damages) to prevent her from ulti. Eventually, Vraska will win you games like Jace can.
Finally the lock provided by a board with Jace, liliana & vraska is really insane, not that very common but it can happen from to time to time.
GSZ has been dismissed. DRS is, alone, a swiss army knife.
It provides life gain, another mana acceleration, fights very well graveyard based strategies and could help ending games. It is also a "must to be answered" for a lot of tempo deck.
GSZ provides these as well but in a very different way:
- fights better against counterbalance, chalice of the void
- but slower (1 more mana)
- and softer to the usual counterspell suite we have in legacy (spell pierce, daze for example)
- but provides better synergy with pernicious deed as sometimes DRS will be destoyed for your own sake.
Final words:
The deck has to be played as a "tapped out" one most likely. Best first turns are to power out:
Turn 1 = land + vet
Turn 2 = land + cabal + flashback cabal with vet + play hymn or save the 2 mana holding a counterspell
Turn 3 = (land or not) + PW
Ashiok is more of a "flex & cute" slot and could be considered as liliana n°4 or as hymn to tourach n°3.
When you have ripped apart oppo's hand or wipe the board, he could be a real beater (unlike liliana) by stealing opponent's creatures. He is harder to deal with than Liliana just for his +2 and they could be complementary to each other (I hate drawing liliana when one is already on board except for some "rare" tricks).
Anyway, as a one-of you'll see him sometimes but not that much.
In its place I used to play "Null brooch" that's just to say...
I'm thinking of building a standstill/bug pod list with multiple notion thiefs, factories, lots of spot removal and walkers. What do people think?
If you play like that i think you missplay Nic Fit
Turn 1 cabal
Turn 2 explo +flashback
otherwise your explorer will be removed too easily.
So i have proxied a Scapewish deck, and it has done well in my metagame so far. This is the list i have tested with: (slightly modified Arianhood's scapewish)
MB: 60 cards
CREATURES
4 Veteran Explorer
4 Sakura-Tribe Elder (as additional shuffle effects, since no fetches yet)
1 Wood Elves
1 Eternal Witness
3 Huntmaster of the Fells
2 Thragtusk
1 Primeval Titan
SPELLS
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Burning Wish
4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Scapeshift
2 Slaughter games
3 Pernicious Deed
3 Sensei's Divining Top
LANDS - what manabase you would suggest? I'll get a few fetches in the near future.
5 Mountain
4 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
2 Blood Crypt
3 Overgrown Tomb
4 Stomping Ground
SB: 15 cards
4 Red Elemental Blast - had big trouble with jace decks
3 Carpet of Flowers
1 Slaughter Games
1 Scapeshift
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Pyroclasm
1 Innocent Blood
1 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Thoughtseize
Thoughts?
Last edited by Lantern of Insight; 12-01-2013 at 10:04 AM.
On the play, I like to play vet first.
Why ?
I prefer having more chance to hit twice with cabal. As it is easier to try to bet on opponent's hand after seeing his first land than the other way . And I hate having to face back a T1 discard and losing veteran.
Finally, only swords to plowshare gets rid of vet.
After side, your play could be correct though.
I guess it is a matter of personal playstyle. But you should play more Nic Fit by yourself if you continue to make such asumption.
For those playing BUG Nic Fit, have you considered Countersquall instead of Negate? Black mana usually won't be a problem. Thoughts?
I typically don't play negate in the first place. I guess if you do it would work.
It seems like the mana would be more relevant than the 2 life, even if it is minimally relevant. The fact is we are not an aggro deck, and 2 life matters very little.
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