Hello Fry,Originally Posted by Fry
Where or when do you use Imposing Sovereign besides the obvious sneak and show, is it worth the slot to say just use o-ring, im just assuming here, that the sovereign is for sneak and show. i like your list but why not run 3 mindcensor somewhere in your list maybe bumping down mangaara to 2 and mirran and some others.
Aren't you having problems with just 21 lands ? i normally run 22 or 23 and at times i struggle with mana on my 22 or 23 list
Additional question..
Why aren't you running any GY hate ? rest in peace i feel is a good main card as DRS is very common in the meta right now
Thanks and good day
What about Kor Heaven vs TNN?
What about it? It kinda has the words "target creature" on it, meaning it's useless against TNN.
Also, the Imposing Sovereign could be use in conjunction with Meekstone to prevent any creature with power 3 or greater from ever doing anything. This would incidentally include the dreaded TNN. And Delvers. And Mongeese. And Goyfs. And anything Reanimator or Sneak & Show would throw at you. Perhaps the Sovereign can be replaced by Blind Obedience to make the combo it a bit harder to kill, since then neither piece'd die to Lightning Bolt or STP
Don't fool around with Imposing Sovereign or Blind Obedience if you think you could lock a S&T player.
Your opponent can still slam Grisel/Emmy at your "end of turn" and screw you BIG TIME...
My two cents.
Hence the Meekstone. Any creature your opponents play will enter the battlefield tapped and if that creature's power is greater then 2, it'll never untap again (as long as the Meekstone remains in play, obviously). So it won't matter when they slam said fattie, it'll simply enter the battlefield tapped and stay that way indefinitely.
Hi,
I also have a Meekstone + Sovereign combo, i choose sovereign bec its a body and can be protected by mom as compared to blind obedience. the question now is how do you go about it, would you main deck the said combo or play them both on the side..
if you think about it meekstone is good on its own, it could act as a 1cc wrath of god when your opponent goes for an all out attack on you and assuming all of them has a power of 3 up.
but drawing multiple meekstone is no use aswell.. so now what..
Depending on the meta it could be rather fun to play both in the main. I agree on the multiple Meekstones bit. On the other hand, if it already has managed to lock your opponent out of attacking, I guess you're on the winning hand already anyway so it wouldn't matter all that much that you drew a second one. And after sideboarding your opponent might board in a number of hate cards, so you might actually need a second copy.
Hi there,
Elves! player slowly learning D&T in order to expand my horizons.
I can get behind the Sovereing/Meekstone combo against Sneak&Show decks. Meekstone was really usefull at DC against those decks, so I can support that theory easily.
How do you feel about it against say RUG or UWR Delver?
In my view of the current metagame, 3 to 4 slots against Sneak&Breach/Sneak&Show that also could be used against fringes decks (Read here : Meathooks/Zoo/Maverick) are not bad.
Still. I support the idea, but I am not saying its 100% right. Unless proven in the heat of the battle, I can't say its reliable.
Meekstone is good against flipped Delver and RUG/WUR packs 1 maybe 2 piece of artifact removal (Wear//Tear or KGrip).
Sneak and show is already a good match up for us.
don't overdo it.
Mana denial + karakas + Mangara + revokers all main deck + cannonist from the board for omnitell versions is already more than enough.
You'd better not play more cards that are bad against our bad match up: elves.
Against goyf or KotR decks you have rest in peace.
Imposing Sovereign/Blind Obedience does buy you a turn when playing against elves. The only way they'll be able to glimpse-chain is if they manage to get 3 Nettle Sentinel on the board. Also, when combined with Meekstone it shuts down the Progenitus plan entirely.
I think the real question is: how consistently can we get the combo online and at what cost? How many slots do you commit? What do we lose?
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Pretty sure the top 8 of the Invitational is Standard format, which is why I'm not watching.
So it is. Blech
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Taken from the sneak and show matchup analysis:
THis really shows that you don't need more cards for this match up, if even them do think it is a very bad matchup.Death and Taxes 35:65
This is probably the toughest matchup and alongside Reanimator the only negative one of the tier decks. Pre-board they need nothing more than Karakas + Revoker to completely lock us out of the game. Post-board they have additional Revoker-effects in Pithing Needle.
I played against D&T in the magiccardmarket.eu tournament some weeks ago. After losing game 1 to Karakas+Revoker, I opened G2 on the play with a Gitaxian Probe; it showed me:
Karakas
Plains
Oblivion Ring
Mangara of Corondor
Pithing Needle
Phyrexian Revoker
Stoneforge Mystic
My frantic cantripping couldn't find me one of the 2 Progenitus I had boarded in. Most lists would just instant-scoop to a hand like this, which shows how ridiculously bad the matchup is.
Pyroclasm, Through the Breach and Bounce are still good weapons to fight their hate; Progenitus, Massacre Wurm and Sulfur Elemental are more dedicated anti-D&T sideboard options. Blood Moon helps against the Karakas and mana-denial plan with Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Rishadan Port and Wasteland.
Cards you want to sideboard against Death & Taxes : Progenitus, Blood Moon, Echoing Truth, Wipe Away, Through the Breach
Hey guys it's me again, after quite a while i'm back for another tournment report(this time will be a local game store champ, the last one i played with this deck)
My full 75:
// Lands
1 [AVR] Cavern of Souls
4 [TE] Wasteland
1 [FUT] Horizon Canopy
3 [LG] Karakas
9 [UNH] Plains
4 [MM] Rishadan Port
1 [CHK] Eiganjo Castle
// Creatures
4 [DKA] Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic
4 [MBS] Phyrexian Revoker
2 [FUT] Aven Mindcensor
3 [EVE] Flickerwisp
2 [MBS] Mirran Crusader
4 [CMD] Mother of Runes
3 [TSP] Serra Avenger
// Spells
4 [DS] AEther Vial
1 [NPH] Batterskull
4 [A] Swords to Plowshares
1 [BOK] Umezawa's Jitte
1 [DS] Sword of Fire and Ice
// Sideboard
SB: 1 [ALA] Oblivion Ring
SB: 2 [ALA] Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 2 [RTR] Rest in Peace
SB: 2 [SHM] Wilt-Leaf Liege
SB: 1 [PLC] Sunlance
SB: 2 [MI] Enlightened Tutor
SB: 1 [EX] Cataclysm
SB: 1 [SOK] Manriki-Gusari
SB: 1 [M14] Celestial Flare
SB: 1 [A] Meekstone
SB: 1 [DKA] Grafdigger's Cage
Round 1 UWR Delver
G1- I knew he was on Delver because i've already played against him before so i kept a hand of Thalia + Wasteland which has enough.(Tip: Most UWR lists aren't running Lavamancers pre board so is safe to name Umezawa's Jitte/Stoneforge Mystic with a Blind Revoker if you think you need some clock or are in fear of a topdecked Jitte)
Sideboard: -2 Flickerwisp - 2 Mirran Crusaders + 1 Meekstone(Delver/TNN) + 1 Sunlance(Delver/Grim Lavamancer) +1 Manriki Gusari(Amazing to keep batterskull in check) +1 Celestial Flare(always killz 'em TNN)
G2 - Mull'ed to six in search of something better then just SFM mystic and found Revoker + 2 Moms which wasn't enough.He killed my revoker and my two Moms, got attacked to 6, his board was: Batterskull+Jitte with 4 counters, i drew Revoker(naming Jitte), he played ponder and drew land, attecked my down to 2 then i topdecked my last Flickerwisp(love this card) and killed his batterskull token, he didn't find anything relevant(just a SFM that i STPed so he coudn't return batterskull + put it into play again) and 5 a turn closed the game quickly.
1-0
Round 2 Merfolk
G1- I guess a a nut draw of "attacking" with 3 Mutavaults + a lord is not enough against a jitte+ Thalia and triple port.
Sideboard- Out- Same as Round 1(Thalia is pretty sick at blocking everything in their deck) - In- 1 Meekstone 1 Sulance 1Celestial Flare(something it works, it's a pseudo STP) 1 Oblivion Ring
G2 - Kept with a Meekstone-Slow hand, figured out that i needed to empty his hands in order to cast the meekstone... Worked he didn't have pitch to FOW. He had a mutavault and an untapped Rejeerey while i had a port and a vial with 3 counters, vialed Wisp to remove rejeerey, tapped mutavault and attacked with mom carrying a jitte(that OBV dominated the game 2 turns later).
2-0
Round 3 UWR Delver(the guy that won this year's Legacy national here in Brazil)
G1 Really grindy game, he resolved a TNN while i was at 14 life, i had a Thalia then cast a Aven mindcensor, he has crushing my for 3 while i was alphaing for 4, i drew a revoker, he left TNN untapped to block but it was too late, i had 2 in the air everyturn and 2 ports for his lands(+Thalia).
Sideboard - Out/IN - Same as Round 1
G2 Kept a nice hand with only Karakas as white source, of course i got wastelanded and my mom got killed.... I got crushed by 2 blindflipped delvers.
G3 - Almost the same as g1, i drew 3 ports and a meekstone, which resolved with a TNN and a flipped delver tapped in his side, i could menage to win though Thalia + ports again. That's why i love this deck.
3-0
Round 4 Lands
I am a long time Lands player(much before i ever thought about playing DnT) so i know everything the deck can do.
I Id'ed and splitted the finals but we played and he lost(another secret tip: Flickerwisp resets Engeneered Explosives, chalice and mox.... good lucky playing against lands, haha)
That's it, sorry for the long post, i hope you guys liked it, this time i didn't drew more then a vial, if i had i could do a lot of tricks but anyway the deck performed well. Take care and good lucky on your next tournment!
Hello,
Nice report and grats !
Just wondering how did aven mindcensor performed for you ? that card for me seems to be a hit or miss card, if you are able to play it early its nice but at times even on the 3rd turn its just too late..., isn't leonin arbiter does a better job over aven as it could come down a turn earlier ?
Do you still plan on running 2 pcs of aven ? the number aswell seems too low for it to come down early
I agree, I've taken all o rings from my board to squeeze in mindcensor. Along with Seal of Cleansing and Needle, we need not add hate for positive MUs
One thing I am interested in main is [CARDS]Tower of the Magistrate [ /CARDS]. It has both offensive and defensive uses, esp. in negating SoFI and slowing Jitte. As a one-of, I think it passes my "no cute tricks" rule.
Any thoughts?
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