Chinese fakes

[lavafrogg]

Simply put - if you care about actually playing the game far more than collecting cards then you should support the proliferation of high-quality fakes that would increase the supply of Legacy staples.

My friend pulled out his beta lightbing bolts the other day, that he has had for years, Lo and behold, one of them was a fake! We laughed and re sleeved it no harm no foul.

If it increases the amount of people to play the game and that can have fun, then so be it. Wizards will be forced to reprint cards and availability will go up either way.

If I could buy my wife 4 gaes cradles for 30 a piece, I would.

[Lemnear]

Simply put - if you care about actually playing the game far more than collecting cards then you should support the proliferation of high-quality fakes that would increase the supply of Legacy staples.

I seriously Wish after such a comment, that at some point you'll pay for a real card and get a fake instead either unnoticed per personal trade or via eBay.

I'm just going to light- & Bend-test every fucking 20$ cards from now on and God forbid anyone is dumb enough trying to sell me a fake

[Phelix]

http://www.starcityshop.com/ <==fakes

[Lemnear]

http://www.starcityshop.com/ <==fakes

I love the logo ... Trollolololol



I'm so glad I cashed in my Vintage Collection. No one will buy Power and shit with so many Fakes in circulation and the current eco situation

[lordofthepit]

Simply put - if you care about actually playing the game far more than collecting cards then you should support the proliferation of high-quality fakes that would increase the supply of Legacy staples.

How does the availability of high-quality fakes improve the game? Did they do some R&D in designing new cards that will make Legacy even more fun and appealing?

The only thing high-quality fakes would theoretically enable is a player to participate in a sanctioned event with counterfeit items. The ability to enjoy the game at the kitchen table or to otherwise proxy decks for testing is essentially the same. And while one might argue that this (allowing counterfeiters to play in sanction events) lowers the barrier to entry for the format, it is absolutely toxic to the game. The result of widespread counterfeits would not be to allow more players to participate in sanctioned events, but rather, the wholesale loss of sanctioned events as tournament organizers and stores move towards markets not completely flooded with counterfeits.

[Erdvermampfa]

It's not like these fakes cost nothing. They just lower the price of staples to a reasonable level.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

It's not like these fakes cost nothing. They lower the price of staples to a reasonable level.

Not everyone will buy them from Starcity Shop; the original factory will provide them even cheaper. Goyf for three bucks may lower the price below reasonable level. Left without support, the tournament scene may collapse.

I find it a bit ironic that (just a few posts above) lordofthepit's signature links us to "Why the demise of Legacy is greatly exaggerated" article. Legacy (and tournament Magic at all) might be in the most serious danger ever. I'm really bothered by WotC's reprint policy and I blame them for letting things go so far. On the one hand, I do understand that they don't reprint the old stuff, similarly to how the automobile industry doesn't make 19th century steam cars anymore. Or, to remain closer to our object, ho there are no new prints of original (A)D&D rules from 1970's or when: there are new rulebooks, new versions, play with them, please. And if you want to kill orcs with the old rulebooks, dig them somewhere. On the other hand, Magic is pretty different, and while one may kill orcs with the old rules without actually having the rulebooks (moreover without actually having any rulebook at all), you can't play MtG without cards. Yes, it's obvious, I know, but I don't understand why the heads of WotC missed this.

[Kayradis]

I think this whole issue is getting out of control.
We are all players/investors/collectors/plain idiots and we all love this game more than the guy next to you.
THIS is the PRIME Legacy community on the interwebs. Shit. One of the boss from SCG has an account here as well as multiple pros. This is where shit happens when Legacy is concerned.

It's my opinion at this point that if we don't want to see everything going to shit we either :
1-Do Something;
2-Do Something;
3-Do Something; or
4-All of the above.

Do what?
I don't know, but at least think of something.

[Teveshszat]

Hello,

there is only one thing you could do to actually stop the fakeing trend temporaly and this is a reprint with a new security messure.
I would suggest to reprint the complete reserved list in an extra set with can be brought in a from of booster and displays maybe
also as al limited special playset edidtion for a high price with all cards included as playsets and all restricted cards as one of.

Yes this will drop the price and yes some guys will argue that that is not what they want because their cards lose value.
BUt to be honset we a not talking about some comercial papers but about magic cards and therefore our goal should be
to have a playerbase as big as possible and high prices will hinder this.
In addtion to that we will rech a point were nobody can afford the price of real cards and so everybody will play with the fake one.

As it is now i support the fake cards because I think that the price is quiet right and resonable. So again to change that
and come to a healthier comunity I think a offical reprint is necessary not to mention how much money you would make
with a reprint because everybody who want to play legeacy and vintage will buy the cards at insntant speed.

Best regards Teveshszat

[SilverGreen]

"What doesn't grow, dies. And what dies grows the Tarmogoyf".

If it was a Modern Masters irony aimed at Legacy, it now seems they missed the target.

[Nielsie]

It appears Cartamundi had a leak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsrrMgotapQ

Is this how those Chinese fakers reversed engineered the process?



Seriously, still anxiously waiting for an english report on those counterfeits. I recently bought a set of Liliana's, they look genuine but in these times I guess everyone gets a little bit paranoid

[Kayradis]

Im trying to get the LGS where I take care of the MTG stuff a small UV light.
Im gonna start testing everything.

[PirateKing]

Im trying to get the LGS where I take care of the MTG stuff a small UV light.
Im gonna start testing everything.

Wasn't it confirmed this generation of cards pass the UV light test, but fail the transparency light test?

[Kayradis]

Id rather run all the test I can.
Legit ppl wont care about me asking to test their dual before selling.
People that try to make money off that scam will just leave.

[Higgs]

Yep, I think someone confirmed that the UV test was out the window. I then ordered a loupe. My wife then looked at me like I'm a geek for the first time. Damn you counterfeiting chinamen.

[Admiral_Arzar]

Yep, I think someone confirmed that the UV test was out the window. I then ordered a loupe. My wife then looked at me like I'm a geek for the first time. Damn you counterfeiting chinamen.

As a former geology major, I see nothing wrong with owning a loupe. Or several.

[Higgs]

I don't have a geology major, I just need the loupe to look at Magic cards :) Who'd have thought we'd come to this.

[Kayradis]

The StarCityShop website is down at the moment.

Hmmmmm.......
My spider senses are tingling!

[lordofthepit]

I find it a bit ironic that (just a few posts above) lordofthepit's signature links us to "Why the demise of Legacy is greatly exaggerated" article. Legacy (and tournament Magic at all) might be in the most serious danger ever.

I wrote that blog post almost a year ago. I still don't think Legacy is in any danger of being replaced by other formats (e.g, Modern), and the attendance trends within the past year further strengthen my belief.

I also don't think tournament Magic is in imminent danger, based on how poorly these fakes are. However, if counterfeiters were hypothetically able to make indistinguishable fakes, that would represent the biggest threat to Magic in its entire history.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

It appears Cartamundi had a leak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsrrMgotapQ

Is this how those Chinese fakers reversed engineered the process?

Many thanks for the video, I was curious how the cards are done, but even though I'm in polygraphy for nearly tw odecades, I somehow never knew this.

I wrote that blog post almost a year ago. I still don't think Legacy is in any danger of being replaced by other formats (e.g, Modern), and the attendance trends within the past year further strengthen my belief.

I also don't think tournament Magic is in imminent danger, based on how poorly these fakes are. However, if counterfeiters were hypothetically able to make indistinguishable fakes, that would represent the biggest threat to Magic in its entire history.

I wasn't having fun of you. Sorry if it felt like that. Really, it was just that I considered it a bit ironic that just a year after your analysis, things seem to change quite drastically. Hopefully I'm wrong.


Btw, I just took a look at the fake cards and more importantly, held them in hand. They're good in (double) sleeves and undoubtfully will pass in a tournament... until deckcheck.
They are sooo much different from the real card I don't even know where to start. But I guess that small kids or their moms may be tricked into buying them.