[Deck] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils) Storm Combo

[Bed Decks Palyer]

IoK can't rip FoW ... that's a no-go

I meant it as an answer to hatebear. Unless I'm mistaken, it was played in sb year or so ago.

[emidln]

Very nice deck, Sloshthedark! Makes me wish there was a black-bordered Grim Tutor out there. I recently took the $200 plunge and bought a copy for my ANT deck, but it drives me crazy that it's the only non-dual land white-bordered card in the deck (though it is quite the nice looking card).

A sharpie and some tape can fix that for you.

[Technicolor Mage]

Get someone to do an alter for you...will look awesome and custom!

[gregtron]

Get someone to do an alter for you...will look awesome and custom!

+1

I've seen a couple of these, and a guy here on the source has gone so far as to alter new-bordered cards to look like old-bordered cards. His Tendrils deck is a work of art, but I can't remember if he posted it in this thread or the pimp thread.

[Lemnear]

While we're at the topic of discard: I'm going to test Hymn to Tourach in place of the Duress/Thoughseize this week in a field with very diverse disruption to make some value trades in attrition wars and wanted to ask the Hive mind about opinions and previous experiences with the card. Thx

[Zombie]

While we're at the topic of discard: I'm going to test Hymn to Tourach in place of the Duress/Thoughseize this week in a field with very diverse disruption to make some value trades in attrition wars and wanted to ask the Hive mind about opinions and previous experiences with the card. Thx

Deck needs more Natural Order.

EDIT: Seriously, though, I'm skeptical. But then again, I've played basically only Elves for a while now, so my touch on Storm is lacking atm.

[Lemnear]

Deck needs more Natural Order.

EDIT: Seriously, though, I'm skeptical. But then again, I've played basically only Elves for a while now, so my touch on Storm is lacking atm.

Need a fresh point of view. I'm burned out by playing TES and the local meta just looks forward to fragile manabases and I don't want these uphill battles atm

[Bed Decks Palyer]

While we're at the topic of discard: I'm going to test Hymn to Tourach in place of the Duress/Thoughseize this week in a field with very diverse disruption to make some value trades in attrition wars and wanted to ask the Hive mind about opinions and previous experiences with the card. Thx

I've thought about it a year ago. I had a "4 Bob plus, 4 Hymn" side in mind, but that's about it, I never forced myself to test it. I think that Hymn is bad in Storm, but surprise us!

[Final Fortune]

Has anybody playing the Pre-Ordain or Lim Dul's Vault versions ever tried Impulse? I figured the dig 4 and "scry" justifies the 2 mana cost, I really dislike Grim Tutor and Burning Wish so I've been looking at other options lately. I'll probably stick with Pre-Ordain, but I thought if Lim Dul's Vault was playable than Impulse probably fits the bill too.

[emidln]

Has anybody playing the Pre-Ordain or Lim Dul's Vault versions ever tried Impulse? I figured the dig 4 and "scry" justifies the 2 mana cost, I really dislike Grim Tutor and Burning Wish so I've been looking at other options lately. I'll probably stick with Pre-Ordain, but I thought if Lim Dul's Vault was playable than Impulse probably fits the bill too.

Online I'm now playing 0 Preordain, 1 Grim Tutor, 1 SDT, 1 Chain of Vapor, 3 Duress, 4 Cabal Therapy.

I'm running Dread of Night in my sideboard now.

[Patrunkenphat7]

While we're at the topic of discard: I'm going to test Hymn to Tourach in place of the Duress/Thoughseize this week in a field with very diverse disruption to make some value trades in attrition wars and wanted to ask the Hive mind about opinions and previous experiences with the card. Thx

This seems pretty crazy. I think we care about 1-2 cards in the opponent's hand on average, and if their hand is loaded with hate, they'll just hit it with soft countermagic like they would a 1-mana discard spell (but now you are timewalked on turn 2 with some number of nonbasic lands in play). Playing Hymn carries the following negatives:
-Slows down kill
-Makes you fetch a nonbasic
-Doesn't always hit the 1 or 2 cards you need to hit
-Is easily Dazed and Spell Pierced
-Is very difficult to cast as part as the combo turn

Positives:
-Might mise the 2 good cards you care about in your opponent's hand

[nevilshute]

This seems pretty crazy. I think we care about 1-2 cards in the opponent's hand on average, and if their hand is loaded with hate, they'll just hit it with soft countermagic like they would a 1-mana discard spell (but now you are timewalked on turn 2 with some number of nonbasic lands in play). Playing Hymn carries the following negatives:
-Slows down kill
-Makes you fetch a nonbasic
-Doesn't always hit the 1 or 2 cards you need to hit
-Is easily Dazed and Spell Pierced
-Is very difficult to cast as part as the combo turn

Positives:
-Might mise the 2 good cards you care about in your opponent's hand

Pretty much agree with this analysis. I'd add to the list of negatives that it doesn't give you perfect information. If you Hymn an opponent with a 6 card hand and you are able to grab a Spell Pierce and land, how do you move on from there? He still has 4 cards in hand. Do you play aggressively now and assume he doesn't have a force + blue card? I think in most cases I'd rather be one mana richer and be able to cherry-pick the most troublesome card in my opponent's hand as well as know that the coast is clear.

[Lemnear]

This seems pretty crazy. I think we care about 1-2 cards in the opponent's hand on average, and if their hand is loaded with hate, they'll just hit it with soft countermagic like they would a 1-mana discard spell (but now you are timewalked on turn 2 with some number of nonbasic lands in play).

I Wish that was the case. At times I saw 3+ counter in opponents hands after they dropped a Delver and it's just fucking annoying to make it through such a hand without the ability to generate cardadvantage. I'm well aware of the Wasteland-Topic however ... It was just an idea, I wanted to try the upcoming tourney(s) to see if it's a total brainfart or not (aka IF I can make it to a tourney which I did not the whole month so far...)

[Sloshthedark]

I Wish that was the case. At times I saw 3+ counter in opponents hands after they dropped a Delver and it's just fucking annoying to make it through such a hand without the ability to generate cardadvantage. I'm well aware of the Wasteland-Topic however ... It was just an idea, I wanted to try the upcoming tourney(s) to see if it's a total brainfart or not (aka IF I can make it to a tourney which I did not the whole month so far...)

Game me a minute pause, but came with the same arguments as mentioned above, the biggest for me is information, it turns precise play into lottery, i'd MD creatures before that, as a spicy SB choice seems better but still not that hot, you can just play single discard 7-10 or Confidant to net you card advantage... In your case I'd start with 2nd Pif instead... Ehh I'm slowly getting to my list... Anyway I'm interested in your take on Ant, PM me if you don't mind

[anomie-p]

I finished building ANT last month (my wife got me the 4x LED, 3x Infernal Tutor and 4x Cabal Ritual I needed to finish it out for me on my birthday), I ended up building it right before a legacy event at my LGS, pulling cards out of my legacy binder and sleeving them up right before the event.

I won my first match without having played or even goldfished the deck (and then promptly went 1-2, 0-2, 1-2 in my next three matches, because I am a terrible player)

I've been traveling on a business trip since then but am pretty excited to get home tomorrow, get my hands back on my new deck and run through some of the goldfishing, etc. suggested in some of the links on the OP. This is a very nice thread :)

[nevilshute]

I finished building ANT last month (my wife got me the 4x LED, 3x Infernal Tutor and 4x Cabal Ritual I needed to finish it out for me on my birthday), I ended up building it right before a legacy event at my LGS, pulling cards out of my legacy binder and sleeving them up right before the event.

I won my first match without having played or even goldfished the deck (and then promptly went 1-2, 0-2, 1-2 in my next three matches, because I am a terrible player)

I've been traveling on a business trip since then but am pretty excited to get home tomorrow, get my hands back on my new deck and run through some of the goldfishing, etc. suggested in some of the links on the OP. This is a very nice thread :)

That's some awesome birthday present! Hope you have fun playing the deck :) I started playing it around 7-8 months ago and the first month or so (depending on how disciplined you are and how many games you can manage to clock) will be littered with hard lessons and mistakes. But once you get through that the rewards really come :)

[Lemnear]

Anyway I'm interested in your take on Ant, PM me if you don't mind

I will, my friend. Allow me to make some tests first and make up my mind about the deck in the current metagame, now that riding T1/2 Goblins in TES is a less successful trait.

[Final Fortune]

If you need to push thru' counters I think playing the /g fetchlands and SBing a Dryad Arbor could do the trick, you rarely fetch Volcanic Island anyway.

[Sloshthedark]

If you need to push thru' counters I think playing the /g fetchlands and SBing a Dryad Arbor could do the trick, you rarely fetch Volcanic Island anyway.

Played that before PiF was released, not worth messing with the manabase imo and arbor is superawkward card if drawn

[Zombie]

Wait, can someone clarify? I'm super sleep-deprived and Arbor seems crazy. For Therapy flashback?