All B/R update speculation.

[Barook]

The latest SCG Open has almost 400 players - let's see how dominant blue is going to be this time.

[Raystar]

Is the thread message ordering broken? To me it shows that there are 346 pages, when I access the last page it says there are 347 but if I click on the "347 link" it takes me back to page 346...any idea? Is the DB corrupt by any chance?

[Kap'n Cook]

They should make a white Imperial Recruiter - fits the color pie and D&T would probably play the shit out of it. Non-creature-heavy blue decks probably wouldn't get much use out of it.

Or you can just splash red for it. Problem solved

[Barook]

Or you can just splash red for it. Problem solved

And destabilize the mana base in the process? Not worth it.

[Lord_Mcdonalds]

Bah, who plays wasteland

[prateta]

Is the thread message ordering broken? To me it shows that there are 346 pages, when I access the last page it says there are 347 but if I click on the "347 link" it takes me back to page 346...any idea? Is the DB corrupt by any chance?

Works fine for me. I'm reading your post on page 347.

[Raystar]

Works fine for me. I'm reading your post on page 347.

Yep, it's working now.

[Megadeus]

Its been like that a couple of days now. Eerything seems to be good now though

[Zombie]

And one more game turned into a total farce by TNN. Lovely card.

[Dzra]

I'm pretty sure we already have plenty of fan creation conversations, although fan created cards tend to be dumb. So this is really just trying to silence an argument by labeling it "bitching" or "whining," and not dealing with the actual substance.

What does "the actual substance" actually do to solve your problem? You can complain about Delver and Brainstorm all you like, but they are pretty much here to stay. Your best options are 1. Discussing new and creative non-Blue alternative cards and 2. Discussing/improving non-Blue archetypes using the current card pool. Repeating like a broken record how much you'd wish to see Brainstorm banned only alienates all of the people that enjoy and respect Brainstorm in the format (and don't doubt that that is the majority of Legacy players). While most of us would like to see non-Blue decks gain a stronger foothold, Brainstorm (and cantrips) are not likely something most players are willing to negotiate. Perhaps try working with people instead of alienating everyone?

[Barook]

And one more game turned into a total farce by TNN. Lovely card.

They should have named it "True-Fun Nemesis" instead.

Top 16 of the Open looks a bit more balanced in terms of color.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

What does "the actual substance" actually do to solve your problem? You can complain about Delver and Brainstorm all you like, but they are pretty much here to stay.

It's true, cards are never banned.

In related news what the fuck are you talking about.

Your best options are 1. Discussing new and creative non-Blue alternative cards

This is pretty dumb. When has Wizards ever printed a card aimed at a format because there was popular demand for it? The closest thing is the create a card competition, which

1) Is of their own initiative, and

2) Has been dominated by non-competitive players, and

3) Is not aimed at Eternal anyway and

4) Has been done, what, four times? In the past eleven years?

and 2. Discussing/improving non-Blue archetypes using the current card pool.

"Maybe we could play Death and Taxes."

Or, alternately, we could want to win, accept that the strategic balance of winning in Legacy is broken, and look at what tools we have to fix that. Those are pretty much limited to "gentleman's agreements" and calling for changes to the banned list.

Repeating like a broken record how much you'd wish to see Brainstorm banned only alienates all of the people that enjoy and respect Brainstorm in the format (and don't doubt that that is the majority of Legacy players). While most of us would like to see non-Blue decks gain a stronger foothold, Brainstorm (and cantrips) are not likely something most players are willing to negotiate. Perhaps try working with people instead of alienating everyone?

God, what a bunch of simpering, smarmy, concern-trolling horseshit. Are your feelings really so hurt that someone points out the dominance of a card you like playing with? Get the fuck over it.

[Dzra]

You caught me. Every pro-Brainstorm argument I've ever made obviously amounts to nothing more than "gee wiz, my feelings are hurt." IBA, I'd personally like to thank you for taking the high road and showing me the error of my smarmy ways. I guess there's just nothing for it but to give Brainstorm the axe.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Yeah, you're welcome.

Christ, that was pulling teeth.

[Infinitium]

This is pretty dumb. When has Wizards ever printed a card aimed at a format because there was popular demand for it?

..Spirit of the Labyrinth? Certain Standard archetype hosers like Kataki, war's wage also comes to mind.

[Barook]

..Spirit of the Labyrinth? Certain Standard archetype hosers like Kataki, war's wage also comes to mind.

Wizards does it all the time. Think about all the hosers they printed for Port back in the days of Invasion, e.g. Tsabo's Web.

And let's not forget the ultimate Dredge killer, Great Sable Stag!

Problem is that hatebears are useless unless they're great in general (like Thalia) or totally wreck the opponent (like Kataki). If Spirit of the Labyrinth had flash, it would have had much more wrecking potential.

And there are still no hatebears that specially address Show&Tell and similiar horseshit that cheats stuff into play from your hand.

[Esper3k]

Wizards does it all the time. Think about all the hosers they printed for Port back in the days of Invasion, e.g. Tsabo's Web.

And let's not forget the ultimate Dredge killer, Great Sable Stag!

Problem is that hatebears are useless unless they're great in general (like Thalia) or totally wreck the opponent (like Kataki). If Spirit of the Labyrinth had flash, it would have had much more wrecking potential.

And there are still no hatebears that specially address Show&Tell and similiar horseshit that cheats stuff into play from your hand.

Gilded Drake? (Gets most things you're going to run into these days)
Peacekeeper?

Your own Emrakul/Ashen Rider/etc is pretty hilarious too.

[testing32]

I remember when Wizards used to print real hate like REB, Karma, Choke, Conversion, Boil, Flashfires, perish, virtues ruin, price of progress, bloodmoon, etc. Now we get a weak 3/1 for 3 intimidate + you maybe discard a card.

[Julian23]

I remember when Wizards used to print real hate like REB, Karma, Choke, Conversion, Boil, Flashfires, perish, virtues ruin, price of progress, bloodmoon, etc. Now we get a weak 3/1 for 3 intimidate + you maybe discard a card.

One of the reasons they stopped printing extreme colour hosers was that it made Limited somewhat starnge to draft/play/sideboard. Have you drafted Triple US? I really love it but, oh man those CoPs...

[Zombie]

And there are still no hatebears that specially address Show&Tell and similiar horseshit that cheats stuff into play from your hand.

It's somewhat hard to hate logistically. I mean, the deck casts a single 3 mana sorcery, and puts a permanent (usually a creature, even!) into play from its hand. Both are patently fair things, typically. It doesn't fit most usual signs of brokenness - stuff coming into play from zones they shouldn't, trying to cast expensive things, trying to cast a crapton of stuff at once. Makes it somewhat hard to print proper hate, though I guess it's possible.

EDIT: Oh, and for the Mr. Nitpicker who will inevitably pop up and say this - yes, cheating an Emrakul or Griselbrand into play is broken.