[Deck] Manaless Ichorid

[gato con botas]

Can you look at my list and say to me if correct this one and you help me to decide that it is better if faeires or lotv? My smooth this in the page 106

[Mr. Froggy]

I was thinking about this a couple days ago. Has the Blue SB lost its novelty? I'm asking this because to me Manaless Dredge never wanted to interact with the opponent, which got me curious.

[jimmythegreek]

I was thinking about this a couple days ago. Has the Blue SB lost its novelty? I'm asking this because to me Manaless Dredge never wanted to interact with the opponent, which got me curious.

The blue sideboard is the real deal. Essentially the shoals complement the fow's if not used to pitch to narco, rider or probe. As far as not wanting to interact with the opponent it seems completely necessary with the amount of rip around nowadays. I played the blue board in richmond and it saved my ass multiple times, single handedly allowing me to beat rip decks. I suppose our blue cards give oup opponents less dead cards against us (counter spells) but rip is a hoser and our blue cards allow us to be more proactive. I will admit I miss my spys though...maybe mainboard as a one of taking out a rider? Meh. Probably not.

[atosecond]

Is Unmask worth playing here? Potentially, gets rid of DRS, etc. G1.

I like Hollywood's list, I am just not sure how to play against a leyline of the void except for mindbreak trap.

Although, on the flipside, rest in peace is much more common at the moment.

Sorry, I am sure this has been discussed to death above.

[DarkJester]

Is Unmask worth playing here? Potentially, gets rid of DRS, etc. G1.

I like Hollywood's list, I am just not sure how to play against a leyline of the void except for mindbreak trap.

Although, on the flipside, rest in peace is much more common at the moment.

Sorry, I am sure this has been discussed to death above.

Sorry, but with the current build you simply fold to LotV. But I rarely see Leylines at tournaments (sometimes out of LED-Dredge-Sideboards, sometimes in Pox, but those matchups are not that common overall). Excuse my question, but how does a Trap deal with a LotV, cheating aside? ;)
Unmask is not good enough to handle Deathrite Shaman, because if your opponent is smart enough to put you on the play game 2, you basically give him three free timewalks. More than enough to find more hate or put enough pressure on your life total. Against DRS try to open a hand with Wraith/Phanta and enough Dredgers. Chancellor of the Annex is also pretty good against him.

[atosecond]

Excuse my question, but how does a Trap deal with a LotV, cheating aside? ;)
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It doesn't, had a bit of a brain fart. It's been ages since I last played and I didn't remember the card as it is actually printed (thought it bounced permanents).

Sorry, but with the current build you simply fold to LotV. But I rarely see Leylines at tournaments (sometimes out of LED-Dredge-Sideboards, sometimes in Pox, but those matchups are not that common overall)

I suppose my point here is that, once your local meta susses out what you are doing they'll board in LotVs and mull into them.


Despite being obviously unplayable. I'd love to see a Landgrant into savannah for Abolish and/or Reverent Silence. I mean purely for the hilarity. I'd love to see someone's face if you could actually pull it off.

[Thrasher]

There's no good answer to leyline. Even using removal is a double timewalk. I wouldn't play manaless for many consecutive tournaments in a small meta, i think it's best suited for a vast one, where people can't overprepare for it.

[Mr. Froggy]

There's no good answer to leyline. Even using removal is a double timewalk. I wouldn't play manaless for many consecutive tournaments in a small meta, i think it's best suited for a vast one, where people can't overprepare for it.

I think I agree with this. One of it's greatest strengths is its surprise factor.

[Mountainhead]

What do you guys think of a list like this? I focused on setting up a reliable game 1 with about 90% chance of opening with a dredger, and 12 mainboard blue spells for the fow side in. Jin-gitaxis might not be the best dread return target, but if he isn't answered by the end of your turn he starts causing problems. I was thinking about kederekt leviathan but it interferes with bridge tokens too much. Other blue baddies I was considering: Dinrova Horror, murder of crows, and prime speaker zegana.

4 golgari grave troll
4 stinkweed imp
4 golgari thug
2 shambling shell

4 ichorid
4 nether shadow
4 narcomeba

4 phantasmagorian
4 street wraith

4 Chancellor of the annex
2 flayer of the hatebound
4 jin-gitaxis, core augur

4 gitaxian probe
4 cabal therapy
4 dread return
4 bridge from below


sb
4 force of will
4 faerie macbre
3 magus of the moon/ ashen rider
4 contagion

[Thrasher]

15 dredgers feel safer, to me. I like "helping my luck", when i can. You could cut a Flayer, maybe, the second one isn't necessary, in my opinion. Jin-Gitaxias is a pretty bad DR Target, as its draw ability can be negated by removal before your end step. Whirlpool Drake is better, as its ability triggers when it enters the battlefield.Magus of the Moon is bad, too. You don't need a moon effect when you could easily dredge 30 and win on the spot. I also noticed your lack of sideboard slots dedicated to storm: if there are none in your metagame it's fine, otherwise i suggest you to try something for that matchup.

[Jankwolf]

Top 8'ed with Manaless and the Xanadu tournament.

This is the list I ran.

15x Dredgers

4x Wraith
4x Probe
4x Contagion
4x DR
4x CT
4x Phantaz
3x Whirlpool Rider
2x Flayer
4x Ichorid
4x Narco
4x Nethershadow
4x Bridge from Below

SB:
4x FoW
4x Dis. Shoal
4x Trap
3x Chancellor

Round 1: Explorer Pod of some kind. 2-0
Game one didn't last long, dredge dredge dredge win. Nothing Fancy.
Gmae two: He tried whipping out a Scavenging Ooze with a forest and a fetch open. He tapped his forest to try eating Phantasmagorian. I responded by pitching a few cards in my hand. His response was to crack the Fetchland which I responded with Contagion and nuked his Ooze. Winning rather quickly after words.
Great guy to play against.

Round 2: Merfolk 2-0
Win and win. Nothing worth mentioning.

Round 3: Another Explorer Pod. 2-0
Win and win. Nothing particularly crazy.

Round 4: BUG (Mr. Lynch) 1-2
Game one was a loss. Didn't get dredgers fast enough. I was finished in short order from a giant goyf.
Game two I won. Didn't get much gas going in the beginning and I believe I missed bringing in a Shadow and an Ichorid at some point. Won via Flayer and an Army of Tokens.
Game three was a lot like Game 1. Mr. Lynch is a very skilled player and a lot of fun to play against.

Round 5: Storm 1-2
Yeah...Screw this MU. There is a special place in hell for people who play Storm...Just saying.

Round 6: Miracles 2-0
Game one, Ichorids and shadows do their thing.
Game two he Surgicals my Ichorids. Awww Sad face for him. This is Manaless Bubb, I don't go down that easy! I had to resort to DR'ing a HUGE troll (24/24) and swung for the fences. Win and IN!

Top 8:
1-2 VS Enchantress (A Deck comprised of just about everything I hate.)
Game one: RiP..enough said there.
GAme two: Rip was introduced to FoW. The look of shock on this guys face was epic. Poor bastard. He thought he was good behind a Sphere of Safety. I was building up an Army after a while. He told me I couldn't win because I couldn't attack. As I was DR'ing a Whirlpool Rider I said this, "Sit tight, this is going to take a minute. Flayer made an appearance followed up by his Horror friends. Game over.
Game three: I Shoaled a Ground Seal and I didn't have the additional counter for the RiP. Meh, it was fun altogether.

CotA needs to go. He didn't do anything except take up space. I'll be taking them out in favor of a board that looks like this.

4x Shoal
4x Force
4x LoS
3x Trap

The main board I will be keeping the same for future tournaments.
Anyway, thanks for reading.

[Michael Keller]

Of course, a few Forces main could help against Rest in Peace decks packing them main, like Enchantress.

Nice work!

[Mountainhead]

15 dredgers feel safer, to me. I like "helping my luck", when i can. You could cut a Flayer, maybe, the second one isn't necessary, in my opinion. Jin-Gitaxias is a pretty bad DR Target, as its draw ability can be negated by removal before your end step. Whirlpool Drake is better, as its ability triggers when it enters the battlefield.Magus of the Moon is bad, too. You don't need a moon effect when you could easily dredge 30 and win on the spot. I also noticed your lack of sideboard slots dedicated to storm: if there are none in your metagame it's fine, otherwise i suggest you to try something for that matchup.

I didn't think Jin was gamechanging or anything, but he needs to be answered right away. Usually vs storm I try to get an early DR on chancellor.

It doesn't have to be magus of the moon but I want some answer to glacial chasm. Ashen Rider can def fill that spot.

[Mr. Froggy]

Hollywood, how's the primer coming along??

[Michael Keller]

Hollywood, how's the primer coming along??

On hiatus from doing it at the moment; been really busy with my family and such. :)

It's coming along, though.

[P-E]

Manaless ended 7th this week at scg and no words about it ?
Welldone Mr Boland
http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckd...p?DeckID=65253
Not tainted with blue but it seemed to work for him

[jimmythegreek]

Manaless ended 7th this week at scg and no words about it ?
Welldone Mr Boland
http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckd...p?DeckID=65253
Not tainted with blue but it seemed to work for him

Is there any footage of his matches.

[P-E]

http://www.starcitygames.com/article...-SCGLA.htmlHis tournament report

His tournament report

[Jon]

I played FOW Manaless dredge last night at our local legacy event, 20ish people. Instead of the full 3 Force main, I tried 2 Shoal / 1 FOW mainly because I didnt bring FOW's and I am lazy. Also managed to put a Pithing Needle in my deck as the 61st card.

RD One- RUG
I won in two, He didn't know what was happening and he let me have my way. Even flipped a delver showing Surgical, let me bring back 3 Ichorids, then attack, and flashback therapy naming Surgical all with no response.

RD Two- Burn
I won in 3, He was playing a sweet one called [card] Cave-In [/card]. Surprising 2 is relevant against all my zambies. His deck was major budget, Ball Lightning, [card] Flamebreak [/card] , no Chains. He was pretty new to getting back into magic, so I had to explain everything to him.

RD Three- Miracles.
I won in two, G1 was Ichorid beats, G2 he mulled to 4 and I had Shoal +1 and 2 so when he tried to BS the turn before my lethal attack I Shoal'd it.

RD Four- Bant Lands
ID but played for fun, T1 Needle on Phantasmagorian was great. He T3'd me with thy liege. Game 2, Explore-> Living Wish-> thy liege.


T8, #1 Seed

Played Nedleeds, on b/g/w Humanos, Pretty terrible match as I see it, He has 4 Thalias, 4 Glowriders, and some number of Knights to get BOGS. Only point I had a chance was when I attacked in with Ichorids, Zambies, and Spirits into his Mom, Bob, Glowrider, and Other Random Human killed all my guys and his guys and I was left with a lone Narcomeoba on board with him at 3 life. Attack for one, he goes to two. He draws and makes a face of horror, passes and slams a Fiendhunter off a Vial on 3. I lost.

All in all I loved the deck, I should build a SB next time for it. Contagion is good against x/1 creatures.

[P-E]

Silly idea, does someone already tried leyline of anticipation instead of white leyline ?
i think it can be decent against combo to probe in response to his discard/ritual (dredge some yummy cabals)and respond with instant cabal or dread return

it supports fow by the way ( i don't think shoal at 4 is really needed ^^)
sure it doesn't protect us from discard walk or bog or crypt anymore.