The trouble with Teeg is that I really need Mother of Runes or Safekeeper to keep him on the table. Otherwise they'll just Swords him or chain cantrips and Top activations until they can. Their velocity is possibly the best in the game, so I have to assume they'll have it. This means that I need to have and resolve two cards (of course, Zenith stands in for either Teeg or Safekeeper), and if I resolve MoR I still need her to survive for a turn before I can drop Teeg. I've done it before, but it really is a pretty tall order. Cavern of Souls helps, but Teeg's creature types are unique in the deck, which means I must expect to expose at least one creature to a counterspell of some sort. I will of course be playing all of the above cards anyway, but I'd really love to find some sweet tech to tip the balance. So far the best I have is Elspeth in the main, Choke in the side and perhaps a Garruk Relentless somewhere. If I end up with Pithing Needles I can turn off Top, but that doesn't exactly break the matchup. Any thoughts?
Between Teeg, Thalia, Choke, and Stoneforge, the MU shouldn't be terrible. Run a second copy of Teeg in the side, as well as a Thrun somewhere in there. If you really don't like Miracles, try a Vial version with 2-3 Teegs main.
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Originally Posted by ktkenshinx
Finally some good results for Maverick have been posted -
http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckd...ion=Show+Decks
http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckd...ion=Show+Decks
Two very similar G/W/B Maverick decks. Maverick has been quiet for awhile so it's nice to see some results. I am pretty new Maverick player (played Magic since 97). On paper I am liking the added black for abrupt decay. Maindeck non counterable answers to pretty much everything seem to be amazing in this blue tempo metagame.
I have a question in terms of our late game. It seems unless you are playing Punishing Maverick you can go Equipment + Sigarda or Stage/Depths combo, what are your preferences?
For reference here is my list -
4x Deathrite Shaman
4x Mother of Runes
4x Knight of the Reliquary
3x Stoneforge Mystic
3x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Gaddock Teeg
1x Qasali Pridemage
1x Sigarda, Host of Herons
1x Scryb Ranger
1x Dryad Arbor
4x Green Sun's Zenith
4x Swords to Plowshares
2x Abrupt Decay
1x Sylvan Library
1x Umezawa's Jitte
1x Batterskull
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
1x Forest
1x Plains
2x Bayou
2x Savannah
1x Scrubland
2x Marsh Flats
2x Verdant Catacombs
4x Windswept Heath
4x Wasteland
1x Karakas
1x Maze of ith
1x Horizon Canopy
SB
2x Ethersworn Canonist
2x Zealous Pesecution
1x Manriki-Gusari
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Qasali Pridemage
1x Choke
1x Pithing Needle
1x Humility
1x Engineered Plague
1x Gaddock Teeg
1x Life from the Loam
1x Surgical Extraction
1x Abrupt Decay
I have a tournament in a week (first Legacy tournament) and am trying to piece my deck together based on the input from this thread basically. Going in blind metagame wise, expecting 20ish players so should be diverse.
Interesting pair of decks from those two SCG IQs. One in favor of Dark Confidant and 3 GSZ while the other tacks on a Maelstrom Pulse and opts for the fourth Knight of the Reliquary. It's foreign to me to only see 1 Qasali Pridemage in each list, but I suppose with access to Abrupt Decay it was worthwhile to trim down on him. I'm glad to still see both lists with high creature counts though, it feels too many builds get bogged down in running Thoughtseize once the black splash is present.
As for the late game I've been in favor of Sigarda lately. I found when I was testing with Stage/Depths that I was often already winning when I had the opportunity to activate Knight of the Reliquary to get Depths active. There were some corner cases, of course. I didn't feel the deck could reliably activate Depths without an active Knight and a decent board state though.
why does it seem that maverick w/ stoneforge is getting popular again? I think it was about a year or so ago when it was generally accepted that sfm was too slow for maverick and that 2 jitte was a better build for the maverick deck.
I would have to admit that I Am one of those mavs user that has 4 thoughtseizes in the mainboard. I do have a question tho, what matchup should we board out the thoughtseizes? Thanks!
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TNN
No, seriously. Fetching SoFaI is one of the few ways to punch through this PoS.
I guess I tried a different route by using the DD combo punch thru a TNN deck. Ill try and see if I can manage to squeeze a Sofai back for the TNN matchups.
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Is anyone here who tried Vexing Shusher? In sideboard, or maybe also main as a one-off? In a counter heavy meta it seems like a nice tutorable creature which protects swords/zenith. I can't tell if the spot is worth it, but maybe someone has some experiences with it?
I currently decided to play wilt-leaf liege main deck as one of the big problems of maverick is mass removal like golgari charm. Also it is decay-proof, jitte slowing, "big" and has a very nice discard advantage if it is in your hand. At the moment I exchanged it with thrun which I also love... Maybe I will cut one pridemage and play thrun and liege main; as I'm playing one cradle that might be working and just puts more pressure on the board in a lot of games.
In a lot of games I end up with a full board of 2-offs and 1-offs and then something wipes everything out (toxic deluge, charm, pernicious deed, verdict, ...) which basically means a loss in most cases. In my opinion that is one of the problems in maverick. Either you play safe, slow and try to keep cards in hand. Or you ramp out and just hope.
What do you guys think of the new Ajani? Not our savior or anything, but possibly warrants some testing?
If he was 4cc there might be some use for him but 5cc is too high. He seems like a good fit in maverick tho.
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Stoneforge Mystic has been absolutely awesome in Maverick since its decline. It solves a lot of problems double Jitte can't deal with now.
I've been runnnig straight GW Maverick, because I really dislike Deathrite Shaman and Knight of Reliquary in the same deck. I was also trying Spirit of the Labyrinth, but it was crappy. People used their cantrips before or responding him, and could easily remove it after.
Lands [23]
4 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Horizon Canopy
4 Savannah
2 Forest
1 Plains
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Karakas
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Dryad Arbor
Creatures [25]
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Mother of Runes
4 Noble Hierarch
3 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Scavenging Ooze
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
Spells [12]
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sylvan Library
Sideboard [11 + 4]
Standard:
3 Oblivion Ring
2 Mindbreak Trap
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Maze of Ith
1 Krosan Grip
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Pithing Needle
Pack 1: Miracles
1 Pithing Needle
1 Elspeth Knight Errant
2 Choke
Pack 2: Midrange
2 Wilt-Leaf Liege
2 Path to Exile
Pack 3: NO/Prog
3 Natural Order
1 Progenitus
I exchange these sideboard packages depending on what I expect to see in my local tournaments. But I've been using mostly the Miracles and Midrange ones. Path to Exile has been stellar, probably the best removal ever against Team America and Patriot.
Let your Dredge 6 be: Narco, Narco, Narco, Bridge, Bridge, Dread Return
@Vandalize: are you fast enough against reanimator/dredge decks? Deathrite shamans control your opponents graveyard and often you can drop one first round which is essential against fast reanimate effects. Ooze maybe active on round 2, but more often on round 3. Also your sideboard has no graveyard hate either. Just wondering. I like the black splash for some sideboard options, too. Like thoughseize, engineered plague, surgical extraction...
Also some decays main deck often save your ass!:)
But I also kinda like straight GW, as it seems more stable concerning the mana base and KoTR'ing.
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Punishing fire seems strong in my meta, has anyone had recent success with Punish Fire in the deck in the recent months?
I have tampered with a successful Punishing Dark Depths Maverick from BOM Paris 2013 (http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=12122&iddeck=88837) and I was wondering if pulling out depths and other stuff for a SFM package might be a better way to battle the midrange or tempo decks in the format.
I noticed in a starcity deck teck another punishing maverick deck did well in the swiss rounds at a SCG event (running living wish)http://www.starcitygames.com/events/...th_ryan_d.html
---(Maybe Living wish would be cool with Aethervial, but thats another post)---
I'm entering in a big tournament on Saturday so if anyone has any feedback on card choices for the tournament let me know. I plan on either keeping the deck identical to BOM Paris and messing with sideboard, or trying to find room for SFM package with punishing fire.
Thanks
Huh, I didn't realize he did that well. I think I didn't give him enough credit, I'll be testing some stuff soon.
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What about the living wish idea? It seems to really add to our gameplan by allowing us to pursue more angles with a higher percentage. And really all you need to do is replace Thalia and tweak the sideboard a little bit.
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Birds of Paradise
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Mother of Runes
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Life from the Loam
2 Abrupt Decay
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
3 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Living Wish
1 Forest
1 Plains
2 Bayou
3 Savannah
1 Scrubland
2 Marsh Flats
2 Verdant Catacombs
4 Windswept Heath
3 Wasteland
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
1 Horizon Canopy
Sideboard:
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Wasteland
1 Maze of Ith
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Manriki-Gusari
2 Zealous Persecution
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Humility
1 Choke
Basically I just replaced Thalia with Living Wish. Because Wish gives us more access to Wasteland I replaced Sylvan Library with Loam because we can easier waste/lock people with higher consistency. Does Living Wish have a place?
I will also do some testing with wish. I love the idea. But I will still play 4 zeniths main. About thalia I dunno. Maybe leaving 1/2 in mainboard?
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Those two decks are really underrepresented in my metagame. Actually, I'm the only Dredge player in my area. But yeah, if GY decks were relevant here, I'd add a Pack 4: 2 Surgical, 1 Tormod's Crypt, 1 Bojuka Bog.
As for black splash, I just don't think it offers enough. Weakening your manabase and playing 3 Wastelands is pretty bad, imho. Deathrites are terrible with KotR (in most matches). Probably my only reason to splash black would be Abrupt Decay and discard in sideboard, but I prefer mana stability, I guess.
Let your Dredge 6 be: Narco, Narco, Narco, Bridge, Bridge, Dread Return
Grabbed my mana for the red splash today. Painful, but not as painful as it could have been.
Really though, I'm wondering what living wish really adds that isn't already present. Knight finds lands, zenith finds dudes. Is the tempo loss really worth it? Especially as it hinders actual sideboard slots?
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I can fathom whyy people would like the living wish idea, but I don't think it'll work well the way the deck is. I suggest Aether vial with the card to promote turn 2 or 3 landing of hate cards you grab from the sideboard.
@Bakofried: What did you mean by the red card being painful? Is the red splash a big mana risk?
I have a general question about spirit of the laberynith Maverick without Aethervial. If I am running an enlighten tutor sideboard, could spirit of the laberynith be a good choice to beat blue deck and some blue combo decks main board?
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