[Primer] Elves!

[Julian23]

If you really wanna talk about The Danger of Coool Things™, you want to talk about Elvish Skysweeper. Kills Delver, Griselbrands and Emrakuls. Try beating this card with Sneak and Show. Unfortunately, it's activation costs makes it unplayable.

[Echelon]

I believe I've actually killed an Emrakul with it somewhere long, long ago... I even tapped a Priest of Titania to pay for the cost. Can't remember what I sacrificed though.

I found that pretty cool at the time

[Julian23]

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[Absolutflipz]

If you really wanna talk about The Danger of Coool Things™, you want to talk about Elvish Skysweeper. Kills Delver, Griselbrands and Emrakuls. Try beating this card with Sneak and Show. Unfortunately, it's activation costs makes it unplayable.

Hornet Queen. Been saying it and playing it for a while. A NO target that doesnt require a board presence, and it's amazing against Delver variants, Emrakul, Grisel, and any fair deck.

[lordofthepit]

Julian beat Special Cup on 150cc! It's been a while since I could do that.

[Kayradis]

I missed that? :/

[Berger]

Hiho,

Im thinking about Sideboard plan atm.

My list:
4x Thoughtsize
3x Swan Song
3x Abrupt Decay
1x Progenitus
1x Natural Order
1x Scavenging Ooze

and
2x Pithing Needle

And its Pithing Needle im thinking on. I know its good against miracles, and SnT ect, but still im not sure...is it really the best solution for those 2 spots? Was bit thinking on cutting one needle and putting in 1 mindbreak drap. But still its useful only for belcher and Tes/And.

What u guys think about those 2 posts what could fit and why? or why should i leave those 2 needles?

[cachipus]

Hiho,

Im thinking about Sideboard plan atm.

My list:
4x Thoughtsize
3x Swan Song
3x Abrupt Decay
1x Progenitus
1x Natural Order
1x Scavenging Ooze

and
2x Pithing Needle

And its Pithing Needle im thinking on. I know its good against miracles, and SnT ect, but still im not sure...is it really the best solution for those 2 spots? Was bit thinking on cutting one needle and putting in 1 mindbreak drap. But still its useful only for belcher and Tes/And.

What u guys think about those 2 posts what could fit and why? or why should i leave those 2 needles?

My side its similar
- 1 Swan Song
+ 1 Choke
-1 Ooze(MB)
+1 Null Rod

Im going to test -1 Thoughtseize and +1 Eternal Witness

[Berger]

ye but why those 2 cards instead of song and ooz(mb) ?

[cachipus]

ye but why those 2 cards instead of song and ooz(mb) ?

Because Null rod its good stuff agains equips, Sensei Divinin Top, Vial(merfolk, Affinity and D&T), LED and my metagame always has MUD or Affinity. The choke explains itself, i hate miracles.

[Pureparkour]

If I'm too poor to afford 4 cradles, but have 2, what's the best thing to do? 2 crop rotation?

[lordofthepit]

Has anyone tried Terastodon instead of Progenitus in the sideboard?

It's a lot more flexible and easier to cast if necessary. It can often present a 1-turn clock instead of a 2-turn clock, plus it's more resilient against edict effects. I find I rarely bring in Progenitus anymore, and against the decks where I would want it (e.g. Jund), I would often rather have a Terastodon instead.

[danyul]

Hiho,

Im thinking about Sideboard plan atm.

My list:
4x Thoughtsize
3x Swan Song
3x Abrupt Decay
1x Progenitus
1x Natural Order
1x Scavenging Ooze

and
2x Pithing Needle

And its Pithing Needle im thinking on. I know its good against miracles, and SnT ect, but still im not sure...is it really the best solution for those 2 spots? Was bit thinking on cutting one needle and putting in 1 mindbreak drap. But still its useful only for belcher and Tes/And.

What u guys think about those 2 posts what could fit and why? or why should i leave those 2 needles?

This really depends on what you expect to face in your meta. Your SB, with 4 discard and 3 Swan Song, already seems adequately prepared for the combo matchup. Mindbreak Trap is not as strong as you think and, other than Belcher, most combo decks are prepared to deal with it. If you really fear faster combo decks that much, then by all means, gear for that matchup (although it seems that you are already adequately prepared for it). But if you want a balanced SB, Pithing Needle is an all-star. It's the strongest option vs Miracles and is not too shabby vs Sneak Attack. I would even grab a Null Rod, as cachipus suggested. That card does work against a bunch of decks right now - including every single deck you listed (although it isn't that great vs Sneak Attack).

Again, it really comes down to what you expect to face. None of us plays at your local shop nor do we know your local meta. So that's a question that you must answer for yourself.

If I'm too poor to afford 4 cradles, but have 2, what's the best thing to do? 2 crop rotation?

Yes. 2 Rotations should be a fine substitute until you can find more Cradles. And if you really are strapped for cash, staying at a 2/2 split is perfectly acceptable. It's definitely not optimal, but cardboard is expensive these days and you gotta do what you gotta do.

Has anyone tried Terastodon instead of Progenitus in the sideboard?

It's a lot more flexible and easier to cast if necessary. It can often present a 1-turn clock instead of a 2-turn clock, plus it's more resilient against edict effects. I find I rarely bring in Progenitus anymore, and against the decks where I would want it (e.g. Jund), I would often rather have a Terastodon instead.

This isn't an unreasonable suggestion. I'm far too conservative to try it myself but I'd be happy to hear any stories from those who have tested it.

[Koke_MTG]

And what about Woodfall Primus?? It can be an option.

[Echelon]

And what about Woodfall Primus?? It can be an option.

That's a 3 turn clock at best. You can use the Terastodon to eat 3 of your own lands, instantly giving you 18 extra power on the field, hence the 1 turn clock

[dte]

I do not understand how you want to remove Progenitus, which is for me the best SB card

In which MU will you board in terastodon in detriment to proge?

If we take this post as reference for the metagame #1 : http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...tarted-2012%29

1 - BUG delver: I believe I prefer progenitus. Terastodon can't kill delver, proge is a faster and safer clock
2 - patriot = stp = Proge>terastodon
3 - Esperblade/Deathblade => see above
4 - RUG, I enter none of them
5 - S&S. Maybe Terastodon is better here, althought I'm not sure as they need only 2 lands to go off and terastodon will give them blockers if you use it to destroy lands.
6 - Miracle: Proge >>> Terastodon. I don't think we would want to side in terastodon in the MU
7 - Ad Nauseam: , I enter none of them
8 - Elves: , I enter none of them
9 - Reanimator , I enter none of them
10 Jund: Proge = terastodon. If you do not destroy anything, terastodon is just a blockable proge. If you destroy grove with, it is a very slow clock. If you destroy our lands with, it's a fast clock but very risky
11 Death and Taxes = stp = Proge>terastodon
12 Shardless BUG Proge = terastodon
13 UR Delver, I enter none of them
14 Imperial Painter , Proge >>> Terastodon.
15 Maverick = stp = Proge>terastodon
16 Nic fit/Pod, Proge>terastodon. I would not enter terastodon in the MU
17 Omni tell, I enter none of them
18 Merfolk, I enter none of them
19 Dredge, I enter none of them
20 Lands, here Terastodon >> Proge.

In my mind there is no match between these two. May you tell us in which MUs you prefer terastodon over progenitus?

Regards,
dte

[shopshopshop]

I'm curious as to why you don't like Progenitus in the RUG matchup. Because they have more mana denial?

[dte]

I'm curious as to why you don't like Progenitus in the RUG matchup. Because they have more mana denial?

Yes. My plan in the RUG MU is to bring in 4 decay and 1 Wilt-Leaf Liege and to side out the NO plan, keeping only 1 NO and 1 behemoth. Their mana denial and their countersuite are to heavy for having a reliable NO plan, which cost too much ressources either when it fails to counterspell (4 mana + 1 card +1 crea) or to their manadenial (dead cards in hand).

The MU is quite easy if we are making CA and they do not have more insects that we have decays.

[D@N]

against rug i dont think u want to just N/O without some sort of backup plan, sooze is a house and them only having lightning bolt means they are at least 2-4-1ing with ruric if not more. Progen is def the plan post board.

Speaking of boards im going into a local mox event and am wondering about my board. its pretty standard except i have teeg and harmonic sliver so i can slow down miracles and moats or drops of honey. For reference:

3 abrupt decay
2 thoughtseize
3 cabal therapy
2 pithing needle
1 null rod
1 natural order
1 progenitus
1 teeg
1 harmonic sliver

thinking of cutting teeg and all cabal therapy for 4 thoughtseize and 2 chokes.

thoughts? my meta im expecting a couple each of patriot and bug delver and maybe a rug, miracles, d+t, storms, and some other random decks.

[dte]

against rug i dont think u want to just N/O without some sort of backup plan, sooze is a house and them only having lightning bolt means they are at least 2-4-1ing with ruric if not more. Progen is def the plan post board.

scooze is clearly one of our greatest card in the MU, even before DRS, decay and symbiot. But their best way to deal with it is submerge, not bolt which is quite unefficient if you wait to play your scooze with 2 manas up - which you should do if not under too much pressure. I do not like Ruric at all vs rug. It dies to any double block, or block + bolt, or submerge. The fact that they loose 6 lifes in the process is almost nothing, and the obligation to attack is quite annoying. It is not good to NO=>Ruric T2/3 like against storm because of their countersuite, and later on if you have 5-7 mana to cast a NO, isn't behemoth lethal?
And casting NO is not that easy vs rug, so I respectfully disagree with Progen being "def the plan post-board".

Speaking of boards im going into a local mox event and am wondering about my board. its pretty standard except i have teeg and harmonic sliver so i can slow down miracles and moats or drops of honey. For reference:

3 abrupt decay
2 thoughtseize
3 cabal therapy
2 pithing needle
1 null rod
1 natural order
1 progenitus
1 teeg
1 harmonic sliver

thinking of cutting teeg and all cabal therapy for 4 thoughtseize and 2 chokes.

thoughts? my meta im expecting a couple each of patriot and bug delver and maybe a rug, miracles, d+t, storms, and some other random decks.

If you expect storm, why cutting the cabal + teeg plan? Against bug, I love my lone copy of Wilt Leaf Liege, and against patriot, bug, rug and miracle, the 4th decay is very good. I would remove the harmonic silver, always seems to be underperforming to me and from the listed deck, only comes in against miracle. What deck is playing drop of honey??