He can also be reseted with karakas.
He's probably too slow
Thoughts on this card? I see this as a 1-2 off in our decks
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Well I saw people wanting to play immortal servitude somewhere, so that card is much better than that one for sure. I guess it can be tested, recycling lost thalias and moms seems pretty nice on paper.Originally Posted by IL_casual
Thoughts on this card? I see this as a 1-2 off in our decks
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After that, I don't think I like yisan. Seem too slow, and seems like a card I can't see myself casting a zenith for ever. But then again, fetching a sylvan safekeeper on his first activation in response to a removal spell can be pretty funny I guess.
Fauna Shaman seems better than Yisan, faster and with no search restrictions (other than sorcery - instant speed, which is significant I suppose). Jamming some Shamans and a singleton Squee seems pretty spicy actually. Gas for days. If you really want to be able to cast Squee you can even move over to a Punishing Maverick build.
Squee seems way too clunky; if you want to canel out Fauna Shaman's activation cost, just use Sword of Light and Shadow. Yisan seems strong since he doesn't cost a card to activate and puts the creature onto the battlefield, but I agree that he might be a bit on the slow side. I'd consider him in a vial build, since vial frees up mana to activate him, and once vial hits 3 we can dodge sorcery-speed removal and protect/reset him with Karakas.
Yisan really seems too slow in any build, and it actually stops tutoring after the third time (do people still run 4cc targets?). I'd just play Garruk Relentless if I wanted a reusable creature tutor. It still takes a turn to start tutoring, and it can actually do more things.
Re: Eldritch Moon and Emrakul
Anyone still testing out there? I've got a few questions, especially now that I've got the goods for Dark Maverick sleeved up.
The mana. Is eight fetch, 2 Sav, 1 Bayou, 1 Scrub better or wise than 7 fetch, 3 sav, 2 bayou? Is a 4/1 or a 3/2 split between DRS/Hierarch preferable?
The sideboard. Is the fourth Thoughtseize a meta call? If Elves is such a problematic match, why not run 3-4 Zealous Persecutions? It also deals with death and taxes and TNN.
Is the fourth Mother warranted in the 75 right now?
It'll depend on how much black you're running really. It sounds like you're doing 3 Thoughtseize, but the next question would be how many Abrupt Decays between the main and side. Dark Confidants? etc
I've been partial to 2 Savannah, 2 Bayou, 1 Scrubland, +7 Fetches in lists that want access to that third black land.
Additionally, the black count in your deck will feed (at least a bit) into your split of nobles and deathrites. 4 Deathrite is probably the more powerful thing right now, but it'll depend on what you have to play against.
The fourth mother again comes down to what you have to play against. I like it for the Delver matchups, but it might not be quite as fantastic if you're playing Sneak and Show and such all day.
Tusk up.
(Not so) Current Decks: GB Elves, GW Maverick, GWb Maverick, LED Dredge, ANT, TES, Jund Storm.
Eh, you could run a 1 of Thrun and Sigarda to get value out of him past 3, or stuff like Restoration Angel/Flickerwisp to reset counters.
I think the biggest thing is the deep seeded emotional understanding that the right play is the right play regardless of outcomes. The ability to make a decision 5 straight times, lose 5 times because of it, and still make it the 6th time if it's the right play. - Jon Finkel
"Notions of chance and fate are the preoccupation of men engaged in rash undertakings."
Sure, but it still seems too slow and vulnerable. Go ahead and experiment with Yisan if you want to. I'd love to be proven wrong about that card in Maverick, but I'm not holding my breath.
Re: Eldritch Moon and Emrakul
Jeff Hoogland 4-0 a daily event with the following list.
It's a bit of a different take with the additional NO route, but it's still clearly a Maverick deck. Pretty interesting, I must say.
Intereseting list indeed.
Deck looks awesome, but I think it goes too heavy on the NO plan. What about tuning the deck to look something like a Dark Maverick build, with 3 NO, 1 Progenitus, and 1 Craeterhoof Behemoth? Similar to what Eli Kassis did in his NO BUG list.
My initial take on a decklist:
4x KoTR
3x DRS
4x Birds of Paradise
1x Noble Heirarch
3x Qasali Pridemage
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Progenitus
1x Craeterhoof Behemoth
1x Terastodon
1x Gaddock Teeg
4x Swords to Plowshares
4x GSZ
3x NO
3x Thoughtseize
1x Inquisition of Kozilek
2x Sylvan Library
7x Fetches
3x Wasteland
1x Dark Depths
1x Thepian's Stage
1x Horizon Canopy
1x Karakas
3x Forest
1x Plains
1x Savannah
2x Scrubland
2x Bayou
Thoughts?
Playing 3-4 NOs in addition to crop rotation might also allow us to play boseiju. Then zenith and NO are safe. Crop rotating boseiju EOT and playing NO into peogenitus = win!:)
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It looks interesting, to say the least. I like Elderscale Wurm. I don't know how to feel about Proggy. Maybe run Dryad Militant in Teegs spot, to reduce the clash between Teeg and NO?
You need a way to not lose against fast combo, especially game 1, and I believe teeg is a very good (and probably only) way to do that. Also, I like to see NO as another (slow, but possible) way to tutor Teeg against these decks, in the eventuality that you can't kill them fast enough. from that angle, running a militant instead sure looks like a mistake IMO.
And I will pile on, this deck seems SWEET. Jeff delivers again!
I threw Hoogland's list together and played a few games.
What I immediately noticed is that the deck needs a Scavening Ooze as GSZ target. Question is what to cut, especially since it's a 61-card list.
Edit:
@bryanzoll: Aren't 8 mana dorks a bit much? That aside, with so many weenie creatures, I miss Cradle in that list.
Should Ruric Thar go into the sideboard?
Edit #2: The NO list was fun, but I wanted to go further. So I came up with this greedy monstrosity:
1 Gaea's Cradle
4 Savannah
1 Scrubland
2 Bayou
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Wasteland
3 Verdant Catacombs
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Karakas
4 Windswept Heath
1 Dark Depths
1 Thespian's Stage
1 Forest
1 Plains
2 Noble Hierarch
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Progenitus
1 Terastodon
2 Crop Rotation
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Council's Judgment
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Natural Order
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Batterskull
That's just a very rough list. Certain slots like Sigarda or Safekeeper weren't that hot in playtesting so far, so they're potential candidates to be cut. Adding at least another Wasteland and probably a third KotR are on the to-do list. What suprised me during playtesting is how well-rounded the angles of attack are - DD combo, SFM package and NO package gives you a high bomb density. Plan A doesn't work? Go for Plan B or C.
Not too sure about the sideboard yet, except 3 Zealous Persecution is a must. Discard is probably good as well.
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I think Sigarda, Safekeeper, Council's Judgment and a Savannah can be cut, and I agree you want a third (or fourth) knight and more wastelands.
I cut the Safekeeper for another Knight and replaced Sigarda with a Primeval Titan (just experimental).
I fail to see why I should cut a Savannah or Council's Judgement, though. The manabase needs some fine tuning. Replacing Savannahs with colorless Wastelands certainly isn't what I want to do.
Id say the bog should be cut for the second wasteland before the savannah And the council's judgement could go to the board as well but I dont know for what either another land or sylvan library. I really like the list and may take some variation to scg baltimore next month.
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