Dream Salvage
I dream of drawing more than five cards off this.
When Leyline of Anticipation was spoiled, I said I couldn't wait for someone to break it. I'm still waiting...
This might just be a holdover from EDH, but Dreams of the Dead has a unique effect that can be subverted with the huge number of blink effects that are playable these days. It's got the same 'Unearth' replacement effect wording, so exiling it to something else doesn't cause the DotD replacement effect to 'take over' and prevent it from returning. And since it re-enters the battlefield as a new instance of the card, there's no memory of the Cumulative Upkeep requirement.
The unfortunate caveat being that it can only target white or black creatures, but it isn't like those colors are at a loss for giant dickhead creatures that ruin the game (maybe not in a Emrakul sort of way, but you know what I mean).
Originally Posted by Dissection
I think it's more of an issue of mana cost: 6 mana for a Dreams of the Dead activation, or 2 mana for Shallow Grave/Animate Dead.
Ugh i just rtfc'd, it does cost 3U to cast doesn't it. Baaaalls
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Well, ther's always EDH!
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...Is it wrong that I'm pairing this with Obzedat, Ghost Council, Ashen Rider and Angel of Despair?
Can't be Abrupt Decay'd!
I think the biggest thing is the deep seeded emotional understanding that the right play is the right play regardless of outcomes. The ability to make a decision 5 straight times, lose 5 times because of it, and still make it the 6th time if it's the right play. - Jon Finkel
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That's exactly right, actually. :)
The obvious go-to would be Deadeye Navigator to circumvent all the upkeep triggers forever with everything ever, but I get the sense that all of these "blink-on-a-stick" effects are going to come to a head pretty soon and there will be a divine mandate to axe some of the cheapest enablers (and DEN is probably #1 with a bullet).
Just to beat a dead horse, Deadeye Navigator is neither black nor white.
Herald of Leshrac could be a funny thing to pull -- if you stack thecumulative upkeep on top of the land control one, then it can permanently steal lands.
With that new card, Aggressive Mining (You can't play lands. Sacrifice a land: Draw two cards. Activate this ability only once each turn.).
I know but it's in the same color as the aforementioned enchantment, so it's a relevant way to skirt the negative effects. Sadly it cannot be reanimated by the card, unless you play one of the myriad Alter Reality effects in Blue. However, that would be terrible.Just to beat a dead horse, Deadeye Navigator is neither black nor white.
Herald of Leshrac could be a funny thing to pull -- if you stack the
Herald of Leshrac returns the lands when it leaves the battlefield (not just when upkeep isnt paid), so unless you wanna play Trickbind and friends that's a nonboActually nvm, RTFPACTUALLY WAIT I was right, but not for the reason I thought I was.
Reading Herald of Leshrac's LTB ability - When Herald of Leshrac leaves the battlefield, each player gains control of each land he or she owns that you control - it returns control of ALL lands you control to their owners, regardless of HOW they came to be yours. So if you Blatant Thievery for a land from X opponents, then play Herald of Leshrac, then it leaves the battlefield for any reason, the LTB trigger returns any and all lands that you control but don't own. So it's still a nonbo, it's just dumber than I thought it was.
Ohai. That's the stuff.
I think Eon Hub has potential as a hard lock with Stasis or the Parallax enchantments and it also works great with anything with cumulative upkeep like Mystic Remora. I've been working on a deck with some of these interactions so hopefully I'll have a list posted in a few days. I also think that Catalyst Stone may have potential with how good some of the flashback cards are getting. Clear the Land is another card I really like and have been working with for awhile. I've been using Scouting Trek to stack 5 lands on top of my library and then Clear the Land gives my 5 drops while exiling most, if not all, of your opponent's top cards. I'd also like to see Salvage Titan, Visions of Beyond and Jace's Phantasm to work.
That's got some interesting synergies with Past in Flames...
It could have some application to the mirror match between Past in Flames decks. Running it to boost your own combo doesn't seem amazing. Let's say your shell is ANT, arguably the best Past in Flames deck. You get minimal benefits from the cost reduction, since Dark Rit, discard spells, and cantrips will be reduced byand Cabal Rit and Infernal Tutor will be reduced by
. If you're running them, Grim Tutor will be reduced by
Sure, it's not so great there, but in a deck with stuff like Intution,Breakthrough,Meditate, Trash for Treasure and Act on Impulse it seems like it could be positively stupid.
In bygone days, you could see players packing Sapphire Medallions to fulfill the same role you folks are discussing. In that case there was quite a lot less baggage (no graveyard requirement, no splash color) and you can't really make a go of Sapphire Medallion these days. It does nothing on its own. That don't fly in Legacy.
This is Legacy! {kicks sneering guy with cool mustache into some big, pointless hole in the ground}
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Anyway, I refuse to believe that any format where SFM is a staple has no room for Deftblade Elite. I want to be a dick and like play it with Basilisk Collar or just anything that gives him +butt and start fucking up combat math. "Hey nice chump blocker for your 'walker, I feel like he should get to know my 1/6 though. So these guys get through, right"
You're not wrong but we're still lacking a shell where we'd have good reason to cast those spells from the graveyard. Like Finn said, stuff that doesn't do anything on its own, unless it's a powerful piece of an engine (e.g. Candelabra), is hard to find room for.
I used to run her in Maverick. Fetching Thrun, Kor Haven, Karakas, Gaddock, Thalia, Jitte..
These days Mox Opal might also make the list in some deck.
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