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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilis View Post
    Don't be too hard on yourself. It takes time and practice to get used to streaming (both commentating, looking at the chat and answering questions while playing at the same time). Not to mention the constant struggle that is playing MODO.
    Even the mighty Joe Lossett didn't exactly bring his 'A' game the first times he streamed if my memory serves me correctly.

    All in all it was a great advertisement as to why people should stick to paper magic and ignore its dimwitted digital brother.
    Streamers have to compete against other forms of entertainment, like whatever's on TV, games, other leisure activities. The audience could have chose those, or choose another streamer, but the audience for some reasons decided to stick with you. Hence, you as a streamer have to be entertaining and interactive. To be competent, entertaining, and multi-tasking, that's difficult to do.

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    Re: [DTB] Miracle Control

    Julian23 casts Cabal Therapy.
    The named card is Supreme Exemplar.


    Let's be honest: If you expect your streamed games to in the very same level as your regular play, you will be dissapointed with yourself. People don't expect to watch a perfect game - most want to have fun while also learning something. Edutainment at its finest.
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    Re: [DTB] Miracle Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Julian23 View Post
    Julian23 casts Cabal Therapy.
    The named card is Supreme Exemplar.


    Let's be honest: If you expect your streamed games to in the very same level as your regular play, you will be dissapointed with yourself. People don't expect to watch a perfect game - most want to have fun while also learning something. Edutainment at its finest.
    This reminds me of the time on Joe's stream when his turbo eldrazi opponent tauntingly named Golgari Longlegs with his pithing needle and then Joe beat him with some combination of Jace, karakas and Top.

    But I agree, I don't want to just watch a stream of someone showing everyone how awesome they are. I want to learn more about legacy, and have fun while I do it. Also, the best learning is often done through making mistakes. Playing perfectly should be a goal, but not the top priority or the expectation.

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    So I just came home from trying out the 4 Ponder build, and I must say I'm pretty happy. There was a couple of awkward moments of pondering into ponder, brainstorm, land that were annoying, but overall it was really really nice. We played 6 rounds, and I went:

    R1 2-1 against a young kid playing a casual UR burn deck. I lost game 2 after he mana leaked 2 terminuses in a row (!)

    R2 2-1 against Team America. Lost a long game 1 on the draw after a liliana Ultimate left me with only 1 white source having entreat on top but no way to draw it in response to the ultimate. Won games 2 and 3, with an entreat for 1 angel winning the last game with 1 minute left on the clock after he paid a total of 16 life to Sylvan Library.

    R3 2-0 against Death and Taxes. Won game 1 after forcing the turn 1 vial, then chaining 2 terminuses, 2 STPs and snapcaster to clear all his creatures. Game 2 I won with a t1 needle naming vial, followed by a force on his council's judgment.

    R4 0-2 against Burn. I must say, this matchup felt impossible. I didn't see counterbalance at all game 1 and lost very quickly, and game 2 my counterbalance got REB'd.

    R5 2-0 against Team America again. Won game one after keeping a hand with 5 lands, top, FOW and getting the top forced turn one. He had a threat light, Hymn heavy hand, which wasn't a big deal since I had mostly lands. Eventually landed Jace with him having liliana, and I found a CJ to seal the deal. Game 2 he missed his 3rd land drop for 2 turns and didn't have a threat, I ended up flusterstorming 3 hymns and finishing with a big entreat.

    I ID the last round to go into prizes. I was paired against Bahra so I'm happy we could draw, since I have yet to win against him in this matchup.

    Overall I'm happy with the 4 ponders and will keep them on. I didn't miss the spell pierces at all, which was great.

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    Re: [DTB] Miracle Control

    Quote Originally Posted by FortyThree View Post

    R5 2-0 against Team America again. Won game one after keeping a hand with 5 lands, top, FOW and getting the top forced turn one. He had a threat light, Hymn heavy hand, which wasn't a big deal since I had mostly lands. Eventually landed Jace with him having liliana, and I found a CJ to seal the deal. Game 2 he missed his 3rd land drop for 2 turns and didn't have a threat, I ended up flusterstorming 3 hymns and finishing with a big entreat.

    I ID the last round to go into prizes. I was paired against Bahra so I'm happy we could draw, since I have yet to win against him in this matchup.

    Overall I'm happy with the 4 ponders and will keep them on. I didn't miss the spell pierces at all, which was great.
    What deck was Bahra playing?

    Also am I the only who is annoyed by acronyms on these forums, especially on newer cards? Something like "CJ" has me confused for way too long

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    Re: [DTB] Miracle Control

    CJ = Council's Judgement

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    Re: [DTB] Miracle Control

    Quote Originally Posted by dsck View Post
    Also am I the only who is annoyed by acronyms on these forums, especially on newer cards?
    I assure you, you're not the only one.

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    Re: [DTB] Miracle Control

    Quote Originally Posted by dsck View Post
    What deck was Bahra playing?

    Also am I the only who is annoyed by acronyms on these forums, especially on newer cards? Something like "CJ" has me confused for way too long
    I'd assume either Noble Fish or Death and Taxes. Given GP New Jersey is quickly approaching, I'd say Death and Taxes.
    They banned Top, so now I play Grixis Delver.

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    Re: [DTB] Miracle Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Einherjer View Post
    Thanks for the kind words but I am a little pissed. I bought a Webcam today, though I am short on time in the days to come - I plan on streaming at the beginning of next week. I don't think I can upload my recordings, as I'd prefer to play music at my stream for myself + the viewers, which disables me from re-uploading the content, as Twitch will probably mute the whole stream due to copyrights. I am sorry.

    Greetings
    Yeah it's really unfortunate that twitch is starting to enforce this. I for one live on the very much east coast of Canada and can't justify staying up until midnight to watch a stream, so being able to have a backlog is the only way I can watch twitch. Now Bahra's streams are utterly unwatchable =P I have to skip the first 2 hours. Thankfully Joe stopped playing music at the beginning of his stream.
    They banned Top, so now I play Grixis Delver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exallium View Post
    I'd assume either Noble Fish or Death and Taxes. Given GP New Jersey is quickly approaching, I'd say Death and Taxes.
    it was DnT

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    Re: [DTB] Miracle Control

    I was thinking of making UWR Miracles with my current card pool however when I looked at my collection, I really neglected buying the manabase for White over the years. Any feedback would be appreciated especially on Mana (I only have 3 of Tundras and Volcanics):

    3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
    2 Snapcaster Mage
    2 Vendilion Clique
    1 Oblivion Ring
    2 Entreat the Angels
    2 Ponder
    4 Terminus
    4 Brainstorm
    2 Counterspell
    4 Force of Will
    4 Swords to Plowshares
    4 Sensei's Divining Top
    3 Counterbalance

    4 Arid Mesa
    6 Island
    2 Plains
    4 Scalding Tarn
    3 Tundra
    3 Volcanic Island
    1 Karakas

    1 Detention Sphere
    2 Blood Moon
    2 Flusterstorm
    2 Meddling Mage
    1 Pithing Needle
    2 Pyroblast
    2 Rest in Peace
    1 Supreme Verdict
    1 Helm of Obedience
    1 Wear & Tear

    With this current setup I'd just have to buy Two Jaces, Vendillion Cliques, and 2 Tops.

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    I don't know that music adds a ton to the stream either way. If it's for you then you can just put on headphones and if it's for the audience then they can just listen to whatever they want anyways. I think that recordings are really nice though.

    @ Nuke is Good: Another couple Blue fetches would be nice to bring you up to 9 or 10 fetches, and ORings/DSpheres should be Council's Judgments. The Helm in the board is probably too cute, and I've had mixed success with Meddling Mages in Miracles (they are fine but you might try experimenting with another cards like 3rd REB or 4th CBalance).

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    I honestly don't think I could win half the games I play without Flooded Strand. It's usually the reason I have such good mana. Failing them, get some Mistys, or Deltas. The Blue is so important.
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    I honestly don't think I could win half the games I play without Flooded Strand. It's usually the reason I have such good mana. Failing them, get some Mistys, or Deltas. The Blue is so important.
    I do have 4x of both Misty and Delta since BUG, Reanimator, and Jund are decks I've invested in. I thought about the sideboard again and a singleton helm of obedience isn't going to worth unless I had an enlightened tutor so it's not worth it. Is Energy Field still worth looking at?

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    Does anyone know how common Shardless BUG is in the US? On Magic Online it's the 2nd most played deck. In the 2 last dailies i played 4 times against it. I went 2-0, 2-0, 2-1 and 2-0. But that's not representative, because i always drew/saw my 1of Blood Moon in the postboard games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Einherjer View Post
    I don't think I can upload my recordings, as I'd prefer to play music at my stream for myself + the viewers, which disables me from re-uploading the content, as Twitch will probably mute the whole stream due to copyrights. I am sorry.

    Greetings
    I saw various streamers play music via Spotify and twitch didn't mute them (Adam Prosak's vids )... maybe it's a little tedious but it could be worth it!

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    Re: [DTB] Miracle Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Adryan View Post
    Does anyone know how common Shardless BUG is in the US?
    I'd say that in a 9-round tournament you might hit one. It's not nearly as common as BUG Delver (which I think is the tougher MU by far). You'll see at least one or two BUG Delvers in the swiss and should probably expect some number in the top 8.

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    Re: [DTB] Miracle Control

    Has anyone tried a few personal tutors? (1-2)
    It shuffles, it gets terminus, it gets entreat, it gets council's judgment.

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    Hi to everydody, I´m new on mtg source.
    First of all, excuse me if my english its not correct at all (I´m spanish), I´ll do it an effort to fix this.

    I would like to now wich would be the best options in a metagame full of bug, i think there are like 10 people of 32 more or less who play bug (team america, and shardless bug mainly), other players use to play tempo decks mainly, and sometimes why have combo players too (elves mainly, sometimes TES and ANT, but i am the one who plays ant so forgot it xD).

    But the big problem is bug, i dont know if it is a sb problem or i dont know how to make a gameplan to beat them but its really hard to me to bear with them.

    I would aprecciate any help. I dont think that my decklist is going to help you because its not fixed, now im playing rip+helm version, and i love to run a venser at least, even if it means to get rid of vendilion.

    This would be the decklist mainly.

    creatures 1
    1 Venser, Shaper Savant

    Instant 15
    1 Enlightened Tutor
    2 Spell Pierce
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Force of Will
    4 Swords to Plowshares

    Sorcery 5
    1 Entreat the Angels
    1 Supreme Verdict
    3 Terminus

    Enchantment 10
    1 Blood Moon
    1 Energy Field
    1 Humiliation
    3 Rest in Peace
    4 Counterbalance


    Planeswalkers 2
    2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

    Artifacts 5
    1 Helm of Obedience
    4 Sensei's Divining Top

    lands 22
    1 Arid mesa
    1 Karakas
    1 Mountain
    1 Volcanic Island
    4 Flooded Strand
    3 Plains
    4 Scalding Tarn
    3 Tundra
    4 Island

    2 Flusterstorm
    3 Red Elemental Blast
    1 Detention Sphere
    1 Vendilion clique
    3 Ethersworn Canonist
    2 Pithing Needle
    1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
    2 Meddling Mage

    I´m thinking about running a council´s judgement, and one or two predict, not tested yet but i think those could be good options to face lilianas and shardless card advantage.

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    Re: [DTB] Miracle Control

    Quote Originally Posted by zeus-online View Post
    Has anyone tried a few personal tutors? (1-2)
    It shuffles, it gets terminus, it gets entreat, it gets council's judgment.
    Woah!? Has it been a month already? I guess so, must be time for someone to ask about personal tutor. Personal tutor is terrible. Read the thread if you want more explanation, it is discussed over and over.

    @Seryou: I have not really played the RIP version, but the general consensus I have heard, is that it is better when there is lots of BUG in the area, so you are on the right track. A few things though: I think humility is really bad. You want 3 Jace. Clique or Misdirection seem like they might be good ideas. Both can take out abrupt decays, and misdirection helps fight hymns and Ancestral Visions. Detention sphere is pretty bad. Council's Judgment is really good. The 4th Terminus is probably better Verdict in the maindeck. Keranos is a good option in the SB to fight BUG decks, and you can tutor for him. Don't play predict.

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