[Primer/Deck] Nic Fit

[Arianrhod]

What is peoples thoughts on Clever Impersonator? I can see him fitting into BUG pod lists pretty nicely.

He replaces Phyrexian Metamorph if anyone was running that guy. The issue imo is that he's another subpar pod target to actually cast -- he's great if you can pod into him, because they can't respond...but if you think that Impersonator is going to resolve vs an on-board Griselbrand, you're sadly mistaken. Furthermore, he does actual nothing if he clones Emrakul, since the opponent's will attack first.

I dunno. I -like- the card, but I don't realistically think it's good enough. Creatures that are only good with a Pod in play should generally be avoided.

On a side note, Rakshasha Deathdealer tremendously impressed me at the prerelease this weekend. I won actually every single game that I got to play him. Now, admittedly, he's a bit worse in formats with Swords to Plowshares etc, but he's at least on my radar now. I would probably only consider him in straight GB, because he -is- very color intensive, but he could very well be worth the slot there.

[Zirath]

I don't even play Metamorph, so I don't see this as much of an upgrade. There isn't really any I want to copy that isn't a creature and we have Phantasmal Image for that.

At the moment, I am thinking Fatestitcher might be interesting to try out. It lets you get multiple pod uses in a turn, can stall if you are in the control position and by itself gets us up to 6.

Also, a friend of mine suggested Aetherling on 6. I personally am thinking of trying Oona.

[jbone2016]

I don't even play Metamorph, so I don't see this as much of an upgrade. There isn't really any I want to copy that isn't a creature and we have Phantasmal Image for that.

At the moment, I am thinking Fatestitcher might be interesting to try out. It lets you get multiple pod uses in a turn, can stall if you are in the control position and by itself gets us up to 6.

Also, a friend of mine suggested Aetherling on 6. I personally am thinking of trying Oona.

What do we think about big Frosty the tapping Titan in the BUG Pod lists?

[conboy31]

I think the imposter is generally worse than metamorph. The upside of versatility probably doesn't outweigh 3 colorless + 2 life being practically free vs. 2UU.

[Zirath]

What do we think about big Frosty the tapping Titan in the BUG Pod lists?

My issue with Frosty is that he isn't any stronger than Grave Titan in a lot of situations for this deck. He's still vulnerable to Liliana and Jace and his best quality is that he can tap down Emrakul/Griselbrand, which is already something we don't really worry as much about with Phantasmal Image and Venser/Sower.

[Whitefaces]

I had a bunch of fun at my LGS last night playing this.

4 Veteran Explorer
3 Baleful Strix
1 Eternal Witness
2 Notion Theif
1 Venser, Shaper Savant
1 Grave Titan

4 Cabal Therapy
4 Brainstorm
2 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Crop Rotation
1 Life from the Loam
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Pernicious Deed
1 Toxic Deluge
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Garruk, Primal Hunter
1 Tamiyo, the Moon Sage
1 Batterskull

2 Forest
2 Island
2 Swamp
2 Bayou
1 Tropical Island
1 Underground Sea
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Veil
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Karakas
1 Dark Depths
1 Thespians Stage
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Misty Rainforest
1 Polluted Delta

I actually built this deck for a laugh to play some casual games at the prereleases on the weekend in between rounds. I didn't bother with a SB. Then I didn't have enough time to put something else together before the weekly legacy at my LGS so threw a SB together in a few mins from what I had in my binder.

SB:

4 Force of Will
4 Swan Song
2 Duress
1 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Diabolic Edict
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Surgical Extraction

I managed to 4 - 0 beating Reanimator, Jund, RUG Delver and Food Chain, only dropping game one to reanimator. It just goes to show the power of Veteran Explorer when your opponents don't have basics or can't do anything with the mana. I know that's kind of obvious, but it really shone here.

Having the toolbox lands usually allowed me to fetch duals against wasteland decks as they had to use them on Tabernacle etc, which then allowed my explorers to be more powerful. Also, threatening the dark depths combo at any time forces your opponent to act on that which leaves a huge amount of room to just drop your bombs.

[Megadeus]

I had a bunch of fun at my LGS last night playing this.

4 Veteran Explorer
3 Baleful Strix
1 Eternal Witness
2 Notion Theif
1 Venser, Shaper Savant
1 Grave Titan

4 Cabal Therapy
4 Brainstorm
2 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Crop Rotation
1 Life from the Loam
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Pernicious Deed
1 Toxic Deluge
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Garruk, Primal Hunter
1 Tamiyo, the Moon Sage
1 Batterskull

2 Forest
2 Island
2 Swamp
2 Bayou
1 Tropical Island
1 Underground Sea
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Veil
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Karakas
1 Dark Depths
1 Thespians Stage
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Misty Rainforest
1 Polluted Delta

I actually built this deck for a laugh to play some casual games at the prereleases on the weekend in between rounds. I didn't bother with a SB. Then I didn't have enough time to put something else together before the weekly legacy at my LGS so threw a SB together in a few mins from what I had in my binder.

SB:

4 Force of Will
4 Swan Song
2 Duress
1 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Diabolic Edict
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Surgical Extraction

I managed to 4 - 0 beating Reanimator, Jund, RUG Delver and Food Chain, only dropping game one to reanimator. It just goes to show the power of Veteran Explorer when your opponents don't have basics or can't do anything with the mana. I know that's kind of obvious, but it really shone here.

Having the toolbox lands usually allowed me to fetch duals against wasteland decks as they had to use them on Tabernacle etc, which then allowed my explorers to be more powerful. Also, threatening the dark depths combo at any time forces your opponent to act on that which leaves a huge amount of room to just drop your bombs.

This list looks fucking sweet. It's kinda out there, but interesting. Maybe consider Prime Titan since it fetches up all of your sweet sweet lands. Just another way in general to find different lands seems like something nice to have.

[pfiremc13]

And a new deck was born--this time, from an unexpected source.

[Whitefaces]

This list looks fucking sweet. It's kinda out there, but interesting. Maybe consider Prime Titan since it fetches up all of your sweet sweet lands. Just another way in general to find different lands seems like something nice to have.

I thought of Prime Time when putting it together. He really shines in builds with GSZ though, which I chose not to run. He's also best in Jund builds I've found as you have more mana sinks (Kessig Wolf Run, P. Fire etc). Tops, Brainstorms and to an extent Jaces found me what I needed usually. Having another tutor for the lands is nice, but a lot of their application is in the earlier game. Tutoring for Stage + Depths is nice and all, but slightly win more. If I'm playing a titan, I want that to be enough to win. Grave Daddy just puts away games so fast. I've played a lot of Junk Nic Fit builds which had GSZ every time as there's no access to Brainstorm, but I think in BUG builds it's not as necessary. There is a lot of design room though, but you'd probably have to cut some of the land aspect of the deck to make room for the package.

Some cool little notes from the games.

- Notion Thief in resp to a Griselbrand activation is hilarious.
- Putting in a Grave Titan from your opponents SnT is hilarious.
- Turn two Tamiyo is hilarious (T1 Explorer, T2 Phyrexian Tower. Tap yo land.)

[Ralf]

Since we are sharing our Troll Buddies, here is mine.

Rea Fit by Ralf

Lands
1 Dark Depths
1 Karakas
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Thespian's Stage
1 Tropical Island
1 Underground Sea
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Wasteland
2 Bayou
2 Forest
2 Island
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs

Creatures
1 Eternal Witness
1 Genesis
1 Glissa, the Traitor
1 Massacre Wurm
1 Notion Thief
1 Primeval Titan
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Thragtusk
1 Venser, Shaper Savant
1 Baleful Strix
4 Veteran Explorer

Artos
1 Batterskull
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Sensei's Divining Top

Enchant
2 Pernicious Deed

Instants
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Crop Rotation
3 Entomb
4 Brainstorm

Sorceries
1 Life from the Loam
3 Reanimate
3 Cabal Therapy

SB: 1 Progenitus
SB: 1 Bojuka Bog
SB: 1 Elderscale Wurm
SB: 1 Worldspine Wurm
SB: 1 Gaddock Teeg
SB: 1 Tree of Redemption
SB: 2 Mindbreak Trap
SB: 3 Thoughtseize
SB: 4 Natural Order

[Bobmans]

Awesome brews being posted here. Just makes you wanna get some... But somehow trying to get some cool list together gives me headaches. So many choices. For now i will stick to Punishing Fit. Been tweaking HoneyT's stock list, although not to much to tweak about it anyway. I was thinking about Living Wish earlier, but for now have dismissed the idea. It felt kind of mediocre. I have started to like Huntmaster of the Fells a lot. It took over some games on it's own. The deck itself is a blast to play and has the ability to squeeze out wins where the board state wasn't that positive. But i must say i am not to impressed by either Primeval Titan and Broodmate Dragon. So i was thinking about either sticking to the green Titan or go a different path and adding two non-green Titans to the list instead of Primeval Titan.

Option A:
1 Grave Titan
1 Inferno Titan
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Diabolic Intent/Removal/Something else?
-1 GSZ's

Option B:
1 Primeval Titan
1 Wolfir Silverheart
1 Garruk, Primal Hunter

I really like both options. The Titan's both can just take over games. Where Inferno gets rid of opposing creatures or just burns to the face. But both are not Zenithable. Which doesn't have to matter since there are BUG/BG/GBW lists doing basically the same. Also going for this option i might have to add a mountain or taiga MD.

On the other hand PrimeTime does digup the two towers and doing tricks with Eternal Witness and removal. Also Wolfir over Broodmate since it costs 5 instead of 6 and has bigger bodies when Soulbound, turning a dead Explorer into a 5/5 body.

And Garruk Relentless vs Garruk, Primal Hunter? I am not sure. PH seems more consistant, powerfull and harder to remove, while Relentless can provide more utility and when flipped dies to Abrupt Decay.

Anyway i am probably just gonna have to try it out. Heres the rest of the list.


4 Veteran Explorer
1 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Eternal Witness
1 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Thragtusk

4 Cabal Therapy
4 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Liliana of the Veil
3 Punishing Fire
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Pernicious Deed
1 Maelstrom Pulse

4 Grove of the Burnwillows
3 Forest
2 Swamp
1 Mountain
2 Bayou
1 Taiga
1 Badlands
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Wooded Foothills
1 Bloodstained Mire

SB: 3 Deathrite Shaman
SB: 2 Slaughter Games
SB: 2 Pyroblast
SB: 2 Thoughtseize
SB: 1 Extirpate
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 2 Golgari Charm
SB: 1 Reclemation Sage

[Ralf]

Awesome brews being posted here. Just makes you wanna get some... But somehow trying to get some cool list together gives me headaches. So many choices. For now i will stick to Punishing Fit. Been tweaking HoneyT's stock list, although not to much to tweak about it anyway. I was thinking about Living Wish earlier, but for now have dismissed the idea. It felt kind of mediocre. I have started to like Huntmaster of the Fells a lot. It took over some games on it's own. The deck itself is a blast to play and has the ability to squeeze out wins where the board state wasn't that positive. But i must say i am not to impressed by either Primeval Titan and Broodmate Dragon. So i was thinking about either sticking to the green Titan or go a different path and adding two non-green Titans to the list instead of Primeval Titan.

Option A:
1 Grave Titan
1 Inferno Titan
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Diabolic Intent/Removal/Something else?
-1 GSZ's

Option B:
1 Primeval Titan
1 Wolfir Silverheart
1 Garruk, Primal Hunter

I really like both options. The Titan's both can just take over games. Where Inferno gets rid of opposing creatures or just burns to the face. But both are not Zenithable. Which doesn't have to matter since there are BUG/BG/GBW lists doing basically the same. Also going for this option i might have to add a mountain or taiga MD.

On the other hand PrimeTime does digup the two towers and doing tricks with Eternal Witness and removal. Also Wolfir over Broodmate since it costs 5 instead of 6 and has bigger bodies when Soulbound, turning a dead Explorer into a 5/5 body.

And Garruk Relentless vs Garruk, Primal Hunter? I am not sure. PH seems more consistant, powerfull and harder to remove, while Relentless can provide more utility and when flipped dies to Abrupt Decay.

Anyway i am probably just gonna have to try it out. Heres the rest of the list.
[/cards]

There is no correct answer to your questions.

Titans:

As a matter of fact, a Titan, whatever color he is, will likely take over a few games.

Finally,for me, only consistency prevails and Primetime is the more consistent one, for several reasons:
- Green -> GSZable (which is the big deal here) & easier to cast because you own more Forest than every other land type
- Stronger synergy with the core of the deck -> the only one that can get you the twin towers OR the groves
- The strongest evasion ability of all titan -> Trample>Deathtouch>Inferno boost

Grave Titan is the best second one, because:
1) Of all titans, he is THE BADASS against S&T.
2) He has the fastest clock

Planeswalker:

It is a hard choice and advice to give: I love Primal Hunter but I play Relentless...
1) Did I alpha strike someone with PH's ultimate ? Yes, but just a couple of times.
2) Did I draw a bunch of card with PH (mostly 3) ? Yes, but not THAT often/usually irrelevant at the very stage of the game
3) Did I kill someone with tokens ? Yes a LOT of times

Finally I came to the conclusion that they were relevant not much for their ultimate or second ability but mostly for the fact that they are literaly "shitting" tokens if left unchecked. In other words, they shine in any fair games or control mirror -> Stalling until you nuke the world &/ kill your opponent.
But, Relentless IS cheaper (3 green is no joke) & can kill a flipped delver. Mass was said.

Imho, stick with Primeval & play Relentless.

[Surfkatt]

Came across this during my normal SCG browsings: http://www.starcitygames.com/article...ds-Legacy.html

[Alexeezay]

Hello, I haven't played Nic Fit for a while and want to try my favorite, Scapewish on Saturday. I feel like it could be a fine choice right now, Miracles/Control seems like a favored matchup and it seems good vs decks that rely on creatures.

Does anybody have a Sideboard Guide with Board Ins and Board Outs, let's say vs the current top decks a la Miracles, SnT/Reanimator, Elves, Death and Taxes, Delver, Infect?
Arianrhod? :)
I'm not super sure when to board out Wishes and so on.

And how do you feel about the 2 Stormbreaths? Isn't the curve too high with so many monsters?
Could you see switching out 2 Fetchlands for a Forest and a Kessig Wolf Run or maybe Forest/Mountain? Because I like getting only Basics vs wasteland.deck. But maybe it's too greedy.
Thanks!

[Nitrospira]

Some cool little notes from the games.

- Notion Thief in resp to a Griselbrand activation is hilarious.
- Putting in a Grave Titan from your opponents SnT is hilarious.
- Turn two Tamiyo is hilarious (T1 Explorer, T2 Phyrexian Tower. Tap yo land.)

What makes Grave Titan so good vs SnT? You get a few zombies, but Grizzy and Emrakul both have flying...what am I missing

[XdeckX]

I know not many of you follow the ways of McDarby (aka PlaneswalkerFit or whatever you wanna call it)
I've got a tourney comming up next sunday and was thinking of running a planeswalker centered list. The meta is usually mostly fair decks so it might be a good choice (still have a sideboard dedicated to beating combo)

4 Veteran Explorer
1 Aetherling or Batterskull

3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3 Liliana of the Veil
2 Kiora, the Crashing Wave
2 Karn Liberated

4 Pernicious Deed
4 Innocent Blood
3 Abrupt Decay
4 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Gitaxian Probe
2 Sensei's Divining Top

1 Forest
2 Island
3 Swamp
2 Bayou
2 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
2 Misty Rainforest
3 Polluted Delta
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Creeping Tar Pit

//
2 Vendilion Clique
2 Notion Thief
2 Flusterstorm
2 Ensnaring Bridge
4 Force of Will
1 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Surgical Extraction

For those who haven't read McDarby's article (here) this version of NicFith has to difficulties: Planeswalkers and Combo. I've updated the original list to combat the Planeswalkers a bit better by adding the Tarpits and Aetherling (or Batterskull... still undecided) To beat combo I have a dedicated sideboard.

It this the best NicFit list? No but its just loads of fun to play as I enjoy messing about with planeswalkers and really love that Pernicious Deeds kills everything but planeswalkers (but that includes your opponents walkers)

I'm just looking for a bit of feedback to the list I'm currently running.

[Ralf]

What makes Grave Titan so good vs SnT? You get a few zombies, but Grizzy and Emrakul both have flying...what am I missing

Deathtouch (the real deal) & pure race.

Scenario 1 "S&T into Emrakul"

1) You get to attack first for 6 or 10 (depending of your board state & hand) + 2 new zombies ETB -> -6/-8 for opp
2) You take a shot from Emrakul -> Sac 6 permanents (say 5 lands + 1 zombie only for demonstration purpose) ->-15 for you
3) You swing for a most likely lethal attack -> -15 for you and -12 (-18 cumul)/-10 (-18 cumul) for opp

So, you can win this game, only if your opp is at 18 (or under) and if you had enough permanent in play.

Scenario 2 "S&T into Grisel"

1) you get to attack first for 6 saving 2 zombies (to not give him life defending) -> -6 for opp
2) you take a shot from Grisel -> +1 for opp - 7 for you
3) you attack for 14 (titan+4 zomb) -> -13 for opp - 7 for you
4) you take 7 from Grisel -> -6 for opp - 14 for you
5) you attack for 18 (titan+6 zomb) -> - 24 for opp - 14 for you

So, your opponent has to go "All In" (draw 7 and prey) to beat you.

Scenario 3 "Grave titan is blocked"

-> Fair trade because you are left with 4 zombies 2/2...

Understood ?

[XdeckX]

Little update regarding my post above...
I went to the tourney with the following list
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Batterskull

3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3 Liliana of the Veil
2 Kiora, the Crashing Wave
2 Karn Liberated

4 Pernicious Deed
4 Innocent Blood
3 Abrupt Decay
4 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Gitaxian Probe
2 Sensei's Divining Top

1 Forest
2 Island
3 Swamp
2 Bayou
2 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
2 Misty Rainforest
3 Polluted Delta
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Creeping Tar Pit

//
2 Vendilion Clique
2 Notion Thief
2 Flusterstorm
2 Ensnaring Bridge
4 Force of Will
1 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Surgical Extraction

Boy did I get the meta wrong! Ususally its a pretty fair meta but this time some unknown faces turned up. In the end the meta was pretty hostile to be playing Planeswalker NicFit. Omniscience, SneakShow, Alluren, Reanimate, ANT, Burn which makes about half the meta with 13 players.
We played 4 rounds with top 4. I put up a 1-1-2 result playing Burn, Goblins, Reanimate and Welder MUD.

I somehow won against Burn in 2 games. Game 1 was won on the back of my Batterskull after going to 2 life. Game 2 my opponent gets manaflooded and I jace him (had to abrupt decay my Clique to get enough stormcount to Flusterstorm a Lightning Bolt).

I played Goblins next. Game 1 was easy with loads of mana, boardwipes and Liliana. Game 2 and 3 he got mana as well from Explorers and went Ringleader into Ringleader into Ringleader. I was pressed for mana both games even with the Explorers netting me some. It's hard playing and blowing a deed for 3-4 when all the mana you have comes from explorers and the 2 land you start out with ;)

Reanimate was actually pretty close. Game 1 was a blowout... He starts the game and T1 Careful Studies dumping Tidespout Tyrant. I just play a land. He exhumes his Tyrant. I EOT brainstorm which he dazes (was hoping for that). I play my land again and Innocent Blood but he has a 2nd daze.
Game 2 I just Liliana him out of the game. Game 3 was really close. I get to check out his deck after a Extraction on this Grisselbrands. He only has 3 other dudes he can reanimate and an Emrakul which can only work with S+T. He gets a needle on Liliana. I rip Liliana :( and play it (since I still have decays) He eventually S+T which I try to Force but he has Force as well. He dumps Ashen Rider while I have nothing. Liliana gets exiled. I rip and play Notion Thief. He swings, I swing and Innocent Blood. Then he rips reanimate from the top and goes to 1 reanimating the Ashen Rider again. I find nothing on my next 2 turns.

My Welder MUD opponent had all the mana but no threats game 1 so that was easy (I finally get to resolve Karn). Game 2 he has everything. I put up a fight but cant win. Game 3 I get him pretty much locked down with Liliana and beat with Clique but we dont have enough time. In my final turn I get him to 2 life.


The deck is really fun to play and I guess given a less hostile meta it would do pretty well. Even with all the draw the deck has I still had a hard time to find enough mana. Karn was boarded out almost every game. I doubt I would play him again. Perhaps that slot is better suited for either Ashiok or some random beater/utility creature. Maybe Baleful Strix needs to come back in again. The rest of the deck was fine. Liliana is a bomb, so is Jace. Kiora was great when I saw and resolved her (getting ultimate in 1 game against goblins prompting a quick scoop)
The side was fine as well although I didnt really get to board that much (have nothing against Burn and Goblins) against reanimate I put in about 14 cards :) The hard part is cutting cards without hampering the ability to actually close out games.
I doubt I will play this list anytime soon but will continue to evolve it on Cockatrice.

[Ralf]

The deck is really fun to play and I guess given a less hostile meta it would do pretty well. Even with all the draw the deck has I still had a hard time to find enough mana. Karn was boarded out almost every game. I doubt I would play him again. Perhaps that slot is better suited for either Ashiok or some random beater/utility creature. Maybe Baleful Strix needs to come back in again. The rest of the deck was fine. Liliana is a bomb, so is Jace. Kiora was great when I saw and resolved her (getting ultimate in 1 game against goblins prompting a quick scoop)
The side was fine as well although I didnt really get to board that much (have nothing against Burn and Goblins) against reanimate I put in about 14 cards :) The hard part is cutting cards without hampering the ability to actually close out games.
I doubt I will play this list anytime soon but will continue to evolve it on Cockatrice.

I have gone down this road a few months ago, even before McDarby special was unleashed.
Click me

Pretty much the same conclusion.
We beat "hard" fair decks & we struggle even harder against combo.

[thotcrime]

2 Bayou
1 Badlands
1 Taiga
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Bloodstained Mire
3 Swamp
2 Forest
1 Mountain
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Kessig Wolf Run
1 Volrath's Stronghold

4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Eternal Witness
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Thragtusk
1 Primeval Titan

3 Sensei's Divining Top

4 Cabal Therapy
3 Thoughtseize
3 Liliana of the Veil
4 Punishing Fire
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Slaughter Games

SB: 4 Red Elemental Blast
SB: 3 Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 Golgari Charm
SB: 1 Maelstrom Pulse
SB: 2 Carpet of Flowers
SB: 1 Thoughtseize
SB: 1 Toxic Deluge
SB: 1 Abrupt Decay