SCG and its not-as-lousy-as-WotC coverage

[nedleeds]

Yeah what he said. Well he won some money, maybe he can afford lands now so he doesn't auto lose to any duress effect.

[Megadeus]

4 elves in Indy and the winning deck has 4 ancestral for Jersey. So sad. Maybe modern time it is

[aahz]

4 elves in Indy and the winning deck has 4 ancestral for Jersey. So sad. Maybe modern time it is

Ban Gaea's Cradle and Brainstorm?

[Bertrand Hustle]

4 elves in Indy and the winning deck has 4 ancestral for Jersey. So sad. Maybe modern time it is

Sounds great, then you can play against 4 different Pod decks in the top 4.

[iamajellydonut]

Can we please, for the love of God, agree that this has gone too far?

[iamajellydonut]

And they're not even consistent about this bullshittery. There's BUG Delver and Sultai Delver in the top eight.

[Bertrand Hustle]

And they're not even consistent about this bullshittery. There's BUG Delver and Sultai Delver in the top eight.

Just wait until the next Wizards Focus Group Session (tm) about color naming for the rest of the shit

[vnayin]

I just don't get why they feel the need to force the wedge names. We didn't get this 2 years ago with RTR and forcing the acceptance of the Ravnica guild names. Their argument that RUG and BUG are hard for new players to interpret is nullified by the fact that they are still calling it UR Delver and not Izzet Delver.

[Darkenslight]

what?
wasn't he playing miracles? o.0
do i remember badly? (miracle vs reanimator in the match with Duke)

yeah, i re-0watched it just now. I had a major derpfest.

As for the result, - that's pretty comical.

16/16 Visionaries. BAN VISIONARY! /s

[Higgs]

Uh, it's more like old players are not invited to read about Legacy rather than new players. What the fuck is Jeskai, which fucking color combination is it? Do I have to follow Standard now?

[guillemnicolau]

Uh, it's more like old players are not invited to read about Legacy rather than new players. What the fuck is Jeskai, which fucking color combination is it? Do I have to follow Standard now?

Those are just simple names. You don't need to follow standard to learn 5 new words for combinations of colors. Come on, magic players can remember thousands of cards and now some of you complain about learning just 5 words more? Also, after a few years nobody complains about the older names now (esperblade and bant are both decknames based on the first shards).
I agree that the naming must be consistent, and I hope they will correct it in the near future.

[Higgs]

I won't hear any arguments defending SCG's position on this whether it's semi-plausible or not.

[Lemnear]

Those are just simple names. You don't need to follow standard to learn 5 new words for combinations of colors. Come on, magic players can remember thousands of cards and now some of you complain about learning just 5 words more? Also, after a few years nobody complains about the older names now (esperblade and bant are both decknames based on the first shards).
I agree that the naming must be consistent, and I hope they will correct it in the near future.

We had the topic already. Examples like Bant and Naya are completely different as the decks which established the names actually ran Bant/Naya/Alara cards in Legacy and/or used the Guild/Wedge/shard-mechanic

Sultai, Jeskai, Mardu, Temur and whatever the fucking 5th was, are treated like they are established keywords for color combinations, but in fact have had no impact, measured on cards/theme/mechanic so far ... maybe because Khans was not even fucking Standard-legal while WotC/SCG tried to establish the Wedge-names! This is bullshittery like handing Obama the Nobel Peace Price IN PURE HOPE that his FUTURE actions would justify the award

[M+1]

(esperblade and bant are both decknames based on the first shards)

Those deck names (and Jund) were community driven at least in part (unless I am mistaken). I don't understand why SCG is actively trying to rename established deck names on the grounds that the clan names are more newbie friendly. Do they know that there are 20 two- and three color combinations? How is that easier than just remembering 5 colors: U, G, R, W, B?

[maharis]

So diversity.

haha I knew this was coming but was expecting "Such hoof derp. Many shaved ape. Wow."

[Bed Decks Palyer]

I hope that the dickheads of WotC and SCG read this:

"Hey, fuckfaces of SCG and WotC! Could you please stop with your Tumor, Merde, Azban, Jezkain and the 5th shit shittery? We're not interested in this, and please, be so kind as to find a different guinea pigs for you target-audience-shaping tests and such.

Kind regards, Bed Decks Palyer."

[PirateKing]

I was at the event doing poorly, so I struck up conversation with the commentators, who did not seem prepared for the level of shit being thrown at them. My impression is that a portion of the coverage team disagreed with the new names, but all made mention of an email handed down from on high, and they were all good little soldiers following orders. Seems it got errata'd partway through the day that the on screen names would not change, but commentators could call it BUG and RUG without reprimand from the boss.

Seems like the group there liked BUG and RUG, did not like Junk and Patriot, did not agree with the "history of the format" argument, but did seem to acknowledge the arguments that Jund and Bant legacy decks did contain relevant printed cards in it. They countered that every WUB deck is Esper, even if it has nothing to do with the wedge. I never heard a good argument for not using Azorius, other than it was a longer word than UW, but that logic falls flat against the one syllable BUG.

Also apparently the feature match with Jund was an attempt to troll the community with some ironic joke. So it was pretty interesting to see the whole thing unfold in their presence. It was definitely the side conversation topic of the day. If they continue to get shit for it at every event, their resolve doesn't seem firm enough to weather that storm.

[Darkenslight]

I was at the event doing poorly, so I struck up conversation with the commentators, who did not seem prepared for the level of shit being thrown at them. My impression is that a portion of the coverage team disagreed with the new names, but all made mention of an email handed down from on high, and they were all good little soldiers following orders. Seems it got errata'd partway through the day that the on screen names would not change, but commentators could call it BUG and RUG without reprimand from the boss.

Seems like the group there liked BUG and RUG, did not like Junk and Patriot, did not agree with the "history of the format" argument, but did seem to acknowledge the arguments that Jund and Bant legacy decks did contain relevant printed cards in it. They countered that every WUB deck is Esper, even if it has nothing to do with the wedge. I never heard a good argument for not using Azorius, other than it was a longer word than UW, but that logic falls flat against the one syllable BUG.

Also apparently the feature match with Jund was an attempt to troll the community with some ironic joke. So it was pretty interesting to see the whole thing unfold in their presence. It was definitely the side conversation topic of the day. If they continue to get shit for it at every event, their resolve doesn't seem firm enough to weather that storm.

Oh, come on! Wouldn't you play 'John WU Miracles'? :p

But yes, the only deck that could legitimately claim to be Jeskai is the Delver deck that played the Swiftblade, Cruise as fours, and Dig tHrough Time as a two.

[PirateKing]

Oh, come on! Wouldn't you play 'John WU Miracles'? :p

But yes, the only deck that could legitimately claim to be Jeskai is the Delver deck that played the Swiftblade, Cruise as fours, and Dig tHrough Time as a two.

Hey man, you're not convincing me of anything, I'm already in the Canadian Thresh/Team America naming camp.

[Barook]

Seems like the group there liked BUG and RUG, did not like Junk and Patriot, did not agree with the "history of the format" argument, but did seem to acknowledge the arguments that Jund and Bant legacy decks did contain relevant printed cards in it. They countered that every WUB deck is Esper, even if it has nothing to do with the wedge. I never heard a good argument for not using Azorius, other than it was a longer word than UW, but that logic falls flat against the one syllable BUG.

Bant - didn't have an identity before, heavily uses Bant cards
Esper - didn't have a real identity, either; besides, why not call it Dubstep Blade instead of WUB Control?
Grixis - no identity before - did it even exist before the shard?
Jund - came into being with RtR, thus after the shard name was established
Naya - Zoo was an established deck before, that's why it never caught on.

BUG and RUG are popular and established names, so I doubt they're going to catch on either. Patriot isn't an ideal name, but Jeskai sounds terrible. Junk has the problem that it sounds to similiar to Jund, but it's an established name - besides, Abzan is terrible. Mardu might catch on because Team Italia is a terrible name, but then again, nobody plays the worst 3-color combination.

And calling UWr Miracles "Jeskai Miracles" is just plain retarded. It's a UW deck with a few splashed red sideboard cards. What's so Jeskai about it?