@Firepaw: here's my thoughts as I watched through your match:
lol, Bob wanted the deck to be Rec Sur. He's not entirely off base (for some versions)
Therapy on Young Pyro? Why not Brainstorm? I think that's the worst case card for you -- he had 1-land + Delver, you don't want him Brainstorming on upkeep and flipping + finding lands. Young Pyro is a good card, but he's not actually that fast of a clock and Scapewish plays a million sweepers.
Note: Tipton's draw is insane.
Oh look, flip Delver + find lands. Brainstorm is a fair card.
lol@BDM trolling Bob
Slaughter on Force of Will is 100% correct. I agree with that line, all the way.
WE GOT A READER (when he picked up Huntmaster)
LOL RICH SHAY (note that I have also molested Rich Shay with Scapewish in the past, and he was equally as amused. aka not at all)
Game 2:
Didn't name Brainstorm again, got punished.
Why play the Top instead of holding the 1-mana for Taylor [Swift(spear)] + Cage? I would have definitely taken the chance to hit Tipton's tempo right in the nutsack. Even if you don't crack on combat (which is fine if he opts to hold spells for later), you can certainly crack on endstep and be in good shape since you got a timewalk.
Why crack the Deed when you did? You had already taken a million damage for free from it -- at that point I'd just have taken the 2 and forced him to keep going slow and steady. If you'd had a Zenith on top it'd have been a different story, but at that point I would have just kept the deed around as insurance to keep him from going all-in while you built up the necessary lands.
I have no idea why you didn't block the unflipped Delver with the Shusher. There isn't a card that Tipton could be playing that could punish you for that block. He's not going to board in Eletrickery vs Scapewish. Any other trick he would have could just kill the Shusher anyway. I guess maybe he could Cruise (not sure what his graveyard looked like), but trading a Delver for three randoms when you have a Shusher in play is probably fine based on percentages? Not as certain here.
You were out of mountains, I'm guessing? I couldn't do the full count, but it did look like you had a very nonbasic, non-bayou heavy draw. Also, Bob is hilariously uninformed as to how Valakut actually works.
Game 3:
My reaction to turn 1:
>>You finally name Brainstorm and are rewarded!
>>oh god that hand
>>I cry everytime, 750/750
jesus Taylor is a stupid card
another cruise? really?
sadface =(
Have to get back to work now, but I'll listen to the BUG match while I'm grinding away.
This weekend at eternal champs I went 7-3 with Scapewish, losing to UR, Omni, and scooping to my friend in the final round
The List was the same as Worcester:
Maindeck (61)
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Sakura-Tribe Elder
2 Wood Elves
3 Huntmaster of the Fells
2 Thragtusk
1 Primeval Titan
1 Vexing Shusher
3 Pernicious Deed
3 Senseis Divining top
2 Slaughter Games
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Burning Wish
4 Green Suns Zenith
2 Scapeshift
3 Verdant Catacombs
1 Wooded Foothills
3 Badlands
4 Taiga
2 Stomping Grounds
2 Bayou
2 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Mountain
Sideboard (15)
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Slaughter Games
1 Innocent Blood
1 Scapeshift
2 Thoughtseize
2 Carpet of Flowers
3 Red Elemental Blast
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Pyroclasm
1 Kessig Wolf Run
1 Massacre
R1 Josh on Esper Deathblade
G1 I won the roll and stole 2 brainstorms out of his hand leaving him with 4 lands and a cruise, that was that
In- REB x3 Carpetx1 out- slaughtergamesx2 veteranx1 Sakurax1
G2 Timely therapies took batterskull and jitte from his hand and a deed wipes a TNN, 2 huntmasters finished up
2-0 (1-0)
R2 Martin on BUG delver, fellow Redcaps player although I couldent remember for the life of me what he played
G1 I kept a very slow hand and delver did its thing
in-REBx3 Carpetx2 out-Sakurax1 Slaughtergamesx2 Primeval titan Topx1
G2&3 I dont remember much of, but I cracked deed 2x one game and powered on out with thragtusks and huntmasters
2-1 (2-0)
R3 Kevin on UR Delver
G1 a turn 1 therapy reveals 3 lands, ponder, probe, chain lightning, and forked bolt. He Sees my pile and starts cantriping after acouple of turns he manages to cruise 2x in one turn with a pyromancer and 2 swiftspears in play, cast 3 more probes, and ponder, He forgot to keep a blue card in his hand and scapeshift hits him for lethal
In- REBx3 Carpetx2 Out- primeval titanx1, sakura tribe elderx1, Slaughtergamesx2, topx1
G2 my opponent gets an early delver into young pyromancer, 2 veterans hold off the tokens long enough for me to get deed in play, 2 turns later scapeshift resolves with a vexing shusher in play.
2-0 (3-0)
R4 Rich Shay on UR Delver
did not know who this guy was but his name sounded familiar, he joked that he won an FNM one time but apparently hes pretty good, always nice beating seasoned players
G1 I won the roll and hit brainstorms on 1, leaving his hand at 2 FOW tarn and bolt. He got a ponder off the top, but dident find anything fast enough as thragtusk was the first creature in the game to resolve. With so much life to give I easily took G1 from their
Boarding same as before
G2 he kept his 7 and I mulled down to 5, probably the best 5 I could have sakura tribe elder woodelvesx2, taiga, bayou. Again he has a semi-slow start allowing me to set up with some lands, I start topdecking and jamming threats left and right, huntmaster into GSZ, and thragtusk all get countered making way for a lethal scapeshift
2-0 (4-0)
R5 David Tipton on UR delver
My first on-camera feature match! Was super excited for this, have wanted one for awhile now, the match can be seen here at the 22 min mark: http://www.twitch.tv/cardtitan/b/581803847
As someone said previously, bob dident understand valakut, and each time he suggested I scapeshift I could not do so
Trying to find things I could have done differently, in G2 when my top clogged with 4 mountains on top I could have waited one turn to make an additional land drop, and scapeshift getting 2 valakuts and 4 mountains to 24 him and hope his delver doesnt kill me, but I would have lost to the price on top of his deck
If you guys have any critiques over how I played the match please let me know
1-2 (4-1)
At this point I feel like my luck has run out, now that Im x-1 theres a high probability I hit combo in my matches to come knocking me out of top8, and sure enough next round..
R6 Ben Omni-Tell
not much to say about this, slaughtergames g2 hit his enters but he had the emrakul in hand, I died next turn
0-2 (4-2)
At this point Im pretty flustered having a great start and just falling off the rails, with how late this tournament started and 10 rounds of legacy I'm ready to pick up my third loss and go to sleep
R7 Peter on Punishing Nic fit
It was awesome to see another nic fit player doing well in this event, and the only other Jund one Ive ever seen being played other than me.
I open with therapy on brainstorm and see Veteran Ewit GSZ Explorer Top and get excited for a mirror
I wasent sure what version he was on by his hand so I slaughterd naming scapeshift or burning wish(forget) and saw the fires. This game was very close and ended up with me at for spinning top one card deeper to find the scapeshift
In- kessig wolf run thoughtseizex2 out-penicious deedx1 sakurax1 veteranx1
This game was really grindy with him slaughtergamsing my wishes and shift and me hitting his punishing fires, he got an early ooze but a GSZ for primeval titan getting a valakut and scapeshift ended the game a turn later
Peter was an awesome guy I hope to see him doing well at more events
2-0 (5-2)
R8 Devin on Miracles
Devin knew me but I dident know him, always unfortunate when the opponent knows what your on
G1 I opened with a veteran and him a top, we played draw go for multiple turns me playing a ramp guy everyso often until I resolved a primeval titan, once that happened I knew the coast was clear for a scapeshift, he cracked 6 fetchlands and failed to find a force(lucky!)
In- slaughtergames REBx3 kessigx1 scapeshift, maelstrom pulse out-veteranx1 burning wishx4 huntmasterx1 sakurax1
An early deed blew up a counterbalance, opponent dident have much going on the entire game as an early therapy took out his brainstorms stranding an entreet in his hand, my top resolved and found primetime, which was forced(pitching force) allowing me to untap the next turn and scapeshift with REB back up
2-0 (6-2)
R9 Cheng on UR delver
dont remember much of these games, but my opponent had the nut delver hand g1, not much I could do
G2 and 3 scapeshift got there after some timely pyroclasms and deeds, never resolved a huntmaster or tharg entire match
2-1 (7-2)
R10 I was paired against my friend Zack Mullen on Miracles, We decided a guaranteed $125 was better than losing $150 if we lost and after a long day, we were ready for a break. I scoped him into 12th place and I took 34th
(7-3) 15-6 in matches
All in all it was a great day, friend Zack Dobbin and ralph betesh made top 8 and I did suprisingly well against UR which I had zero testing towards prior.
Props: Winning EVERY die roll today, nice to play without fear of T1 daze, Seeing zach make it to top 8 with helmerator, representing Gameskeep Lcc
Slops: dealer with foil scapeshifts closing before I got my prize money, Card titan not having any foil cabal therapies, and how poorly the start of the tournament was run
Overall the Deck preformed amazingly I wouldn't change anything about it, and I cant wait for another shot to put it in top8
If anyone has notes with my sideboarding Id love to hear it, still not 100% confident in it
Edits:Spelling
Last edited by Firepaw3; 10-28-2014 at 06:22 PM.
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
Yea I def should have names BS off of the therapies, but with only one game against my friend I was rly afraid of hyper aggro starts holding the top was also the correct call, as soon as I put it down I knew it was a mistake, but I was rly tired at this point, as you can see my tring to cut my own deck thinking it was my opponents
I poped deed there because I was afraid to go to 8, looking back on it now I should have waited. Not sure where your refering to in reguards to shusher block, but if it was when i attacked g2 I wanted to put him to 18 for shift, otherwise your 100% correct and I was just stupid to not block
And yea, g2 my top kept showing me mountains so I had to draw them and ran out
Yeah, the exhaustion factor is real. I blame my r7g1 loss on Sunday (which contributed to knocking me out) to exhaustion. I took a horrible line and got punished for it when I really knew better.
Not sure if you saw, but apparently the delay was caused by a problem with WER where it wouldn't import all of the pregreistered players, so they had to input them by hand. That's fine, but I would have liked to have seen some transparency about that rather than making everyone wait around wondering wtf is going on.
David Malafarina (the bug player who defeated Ari Lax rd1 on camera) apparently dropped with 2 wins -- not sure how many losses. His list seems pretty interesting -- looked similar to mine except he found room for Forces, Dig Through Times, and Brainstorms maindeck. I'd love to see it if he frequents these forums / has a friend who does.
I know that there were a nonzero number of Nic Fitters in the room -- Ari tweeted about Siege Rhino sitting next to him round 2 (playing vs Jund, looks like), Sam's opponent Peter, and I heard of a couple others. If anyone else has insights, that'd be sweet.
As for the commander spoils, Reef Wurm isn't playable imo. A 4-drop creature whose name is not Venser, Notion Thief, Glen Elendra, or Obstinate Baloth seems pretty awful. Losing to StP / Judgment / Terminus is also rough. Now, if it said "Leaves Play" instead of dies, dear god yes. As is, though, WotC appears to have learned their lesson from Thragtusk and doesn't seem keen on repeating it.
I wish Freyalise was playable just off of her lore and her art. It would be sweet to rock her alongside Pernicious Deed. Unfortunately, though, I don't think she is. I'll probably test with her a little since she offers a bit more utility than Garruk Primal Hunter, alongside an easier mana cost. Both protect themselves on a + ability, and both threaten the ability to draw lots of cards, though, so they are at least somewhat comparable.
I will forever have a soft spot in my heart for Ob Nixilis. My first truly competitive deck was a GBW rock-style deck in Shards/Zen standard with Ob Nixilis, KotR, Path, Pulse, Lotus Cobra, Baneslayer, etc. I rocked a pair of Lord of Extinctions alongside a pair of Soul's Fires. It was fantastic and I took a lot of joy in smashing the fuck out of Jund (The Deck of the time). I literally logged onto facebook this morning and squee'd like a 13-year old girl. I have no idea if Obwalker is playable or not, but goddamn I'm going to try.
His +2 is pretty bad in 1v1, unfortunately. It DOES trigger Thune, which is not nothing. It also puts him to a chunky 5 loyalty, although he doesn't protect himself with it, sadly. His -2 is pretty bonkers. A 5/5 flying demon in exchange for 2 of his life and 2 of your life is not a bad rate by any stretch. I won't even comment on his ultimate. That emblem could have been literally designed for Nic Fit specifically.
I'm not sure where I'm going to look for a shell for him, but it's going to have to be a very controlling shell, for sure. I really just wish that his +2 was a little better, but I guess the strength of his other two abilities is so high that it's fine.
Dualcaster Mage is fucking obnoxious and going to probably offend me in the near future if it finds its way into UR Delver. It may, however, also be a powerful toy for red nic fits -- in fact, it may be the first real toy that Scapewish has gotten since Ravnica. 4 + 3 = 7 -- Dualcaster can let you Scapeshift with protection. I hear copying a Cruise is fine, too, or an Entreat, or heck even just being a Brainstorm with legs is probably tolerable.
I believe David's list is very similar to mine that I posted on the last page, the major differences being that he has Thragtusk in the main (mine is in the board and comes in vs burn and miracles, and interestingly the Nic Fit mirror), Ice Titan and Clique and no DRS, at least from what I saw. Obviously I have no idea what his exact numbers look like. I'd love to see it, too, if anyone can find it. I'd highly recommend that list, if anyone wants to play BUG nic fit. Having a favored matchup vs storm with a nic fit deck feels pretty nice.
None of the commander spoilers except the faux-snapcaster look Legacy playable yet to me, although I'm sure they could give us something. Not enthused about the possibility of delver players Forking their treasure cruises in the near future.
The rhinos were stupid good. Got me a of couple of wins for sure.
DRS didn't do that much really but it did enough. Ooze did some work vs reanimator and ate a couple of bolt vs u/r delver.
Finks seems like it could be useful. Not too worried about cheating in BSK....we have enough other threats/life gain that including a squire instead that helpful.
The golgari charm wasn't bad...but I think I want a deluge some where in the list.
Thalia's should be sphere of resistance. Never wished for here but brought her in a lot.
Hex parasite never was used (saw no planeswalkers). Revoker was boarded in vs storm otherwise no play.
Wished for wasteland once just a land drop. Thinking about a khalni garden to fix my mana and a dude to chump or flashback therapy.
Tsunami seems too slow vs u/r delver or fish but still good vs bug, esper, miracles and maybe rug?
Relic seems like an interesting response to cruise but I'm not sure we want it. Leyline of void could possible be an answer. Not touching rest in peace at all. I'm starting to want a chains again, however.
Current Build: Punishing Rhinos http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post927726
Hey Firepaw- thanks for posting the report. The only point I remember about watching your camera match was the (acknowledged) mistake of running out your top instead of deeding for 1, otherwise I like the lines you took and it was unfortunate that you couldn't quite get there. Therapy names are not what I would have gone for initially, but Kevin covered that already.
For reference: my current list is yours with the following changes:
MD -2 Games, -1 Huntmaster, -1 Shusher, +2 Decay, +1 Scapeshift, +1 Eternal Witness
SB -2 Carpet, -1 Wolf Run, +1 Thoughtseize +2 Games
I have actually been pretty underwhelmed by Slaughter Games recently. They've lived in my sideboard since GP DC, and I've had 2x Abrupt Decay in their place in the maindeck which I've liked. More ways to disrupt the tempo of the blade decks was awesome when that was the flavor of the month. With this new breed of UR delver, I'm no longer sure that decays are what I want in that spot, but it's not clear what it should be. Decay is a blanket good card that helps a lot of other matchups, so it might just be what I want here. Can you talk a bit about what you're doing with Games in the matchups where it isn't great? Has it been impactful enough? Obviously taking Forces from the Delver players makes it so you just don't care what they draw, but can we afford to spend 4 mana on that effect when they're trying to burn our faces off? My inclination is that we can't, but I am definitely open to being proved wrong. I loved having the card in my maindeck this time last year.
I like Shusher over Witness and intend to try that out. I also really like the Wolf Run in the sideboard. What do you use it for other than Miracles (and obviously the mirror)?
Your sideboarding against miracles is very different from what I've done in the past. With your sideboard, I would be doing -3 Explorer, -1 Wood Elves, -2 Therapy, -1 Wish for +2 Carpet +3 REB +2 Games and likely switching a Swamp for the Wolf Run. Explorers are not good against them because they also have basics and dying to a fast Jace or Entreat is a good way to lose. I don't really like boarding out Wishes against them because the card is so versatile and while it is a bit weaker against counterbalance, using it as a bait spell is actually quite reasonable. They don't have THAT many 2s and casting it for discard or information or the sideboarded Games are all quite reasonable.
Other sideboarding notes, when I had Carpets I preferred trimming Wood Elves over trimming Elders because I love having those shuffle effects on demand for Top. Sort of a toss-up, again.
It's nice to see success with this deck and good to hear that it's in a reasonable spot against the UR Delver deck. Thanks again for writing up the report and congratulations on your finish!
I let my friend dave malifarina know about this forum and hope he can put his thought and input into it!!
In reguards to the slaughtergames, Ive been fortunate enough not to draw them in the match ups I dont want them in before sideboarding
everytime Ive actually cast slaughtergames its been the card thats won me the game, many game ones ive been fortunate enough to rip forces out of their hand before they kill me. Right now im leaning towards moving them to the board, but playing in the philly/NJ scene I play against some of the best miracles pilots on a weekly basis and the card is just so good against them
Veterans are oddly good against miracles for the pure sake that its a creature, in that match up you need to grind them down and if they use a swords on that, you can always cast huntmaster. By the time your sacing them to therapy you should have a good idea of what their hand is like or a slaughtergames for a troublesome card.
The burning wish cutting goes way back when I first started playing the deck, its what kevin would do in the match up. I still think its the correct call because despite the versatility of the card, they see it coming and can counter it with CB easier than they can a 3 drop, esp. after a slaughtergames on entreet. My goal in the miracles MU is to scapeshift on 4 if possible for a kessig and valakut, fetching up to 5 red sources throughout the game incase i naturally draw one of those cards as to attack from multiple angles at once. With so many ways to deal with with miracles(kessig, slow burn, creatures, shift, vexing shusher) The matchup feels insanely better than it was previously, I havent lost a single game to miracles since adding the kessig and shusher to the deck
I bring the kessig in against rug delver and non blue creature decks, and I probably should have brought it in vs blade, it makes all my little guys more than chump blockers and can punch a lilli in the face. Ive had multiple games vs RUG where it was just a race to see who could kill who first, and kessig puts the race in my favor
I like keeping wood elves around vs YP decks for the body+land/land+therapy as opposed to a land+chump or therapy and no land, still one in the deck should I need to GSZ for it
I think I answered everything lmk if not
That's a really interesting approach to the Miracles matchup. Thanks for the insight.
Yea I wasnt sure how it would work initially but its been amazing so far
So....Titania...KotR build perhaps?
Legendary Creature - Elemental
When Titania, Protector of Argoth enters the battlefield, return target land card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Whenever a land you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, put a 5/3 green Elemental creature token onto the battlefield.
Current Build: Punishing Rhinos http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post927726
Did pretty terribly in my weekly local today.
Guess I need to redefine my sideboard.
Round 1: Miracles: Beat Miracles game 1 by grinding with Punishing Fire. Game 2 lost to a 2nd entreat after burning my 1st Pernicious Deed. Game 3 lost to entreat in turn 1 of turns after having used my pernicious deed to clear the board of counterbalance, rest in peace, and grafdigger's cage.
Round 2 Bye
Round 3: Bant: How could I possibly lose this one? He starts off with mom into true name while I set up a deed. I pop the deed, he plays another true name. I have punishing fires, but no way to deal with the 2nd true name, and he plays batterskull and equips to True name. I lose shortly thereafter because Primeval Titan doesn't race batterskull on true name even with Kessig Wolf Run.
Game 2 my opponent mulls to 5. I am feeling good about this one, even though my 2 lander was Swamp Phyrexian Tower. I play top and dig, no 3rd land. Dig deeper next turn, still no land. 3 Turns later, I find a bayou, but he has true name again, and a huge hand of counter magic because he has already treasure cruised and whatnot. I try to lili, he forces, I try to Deed he forces, I try to green suns zenith, he forces, and by that time I am pretty much dead.
I am not feeling as sure about my list or punishing nic fit in general as a good choice for SCG Oakland despite having great results before tonight. Cockatrice is one thing, but actual good players are another. It could also be that I was just really unlucky and/or bad, but I did not feel like I was doing very well.
y'all consider using this guy? seems to work well with cabal therapy
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Legacy: Dark Depths
EDH: 5-Color Hermit Druid
Currently Brewing: [Deck] Sadistic Sacrament / Chalice NO Eldrazi
why cards are so expensive...hoarders
Card's cute with fetchlands, but probably not good enough. Dying to Bolt and losing to Karakas (kind of) puts her in an awkward spot, plus DRS commonly starts the game off eating all of the lands anyway.
I wanna be the first featuring Orcish lumberjack + Titania to make some T2 blowouts...
Only kidding.
Lots of new toys in the black Commander spoilers. Wake the dead for Explorers/Thragtusk/value, Flesh Carver as another outlet, maybe Ghoul Caller Gisa (pretty crazy with Kessig, token explosion), Malicious Affliction can combo with Sakura, Explorer+Phyrexian Tower if you guys still play that...
And a gorgeous uncastable sorcery spell (7 CMC) that sweeps both board and lets you pick up one creature back which died this turn from whatever graveyard...
Hey buddy, give me that little squirrel that went to your graveyard, will you ?
Which one ? you mean Emmy, right ?
Yup THAT squirrel.
Well....that's gross.
Wave of Vitriol (Rare)
5GG
Sorcery
Each player sacrifices all artifacts, enchantments, and nonbasic lands he or she controls. For each land sacrificed this way, its controller may search his or her library for a basic land card and put it onto the battlefield tapped. Then each player who searched his or her library this way shuffles it.
Current Build: Punishing Rhinos http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post927726
David here. My friend directed me to this comment, so I made an account so I could comment here. I ended up going 2-2 and dropping in the fifth round when I would have gone to time against Miracles because the rest of my car wanted to leave, but that feature match was the highlight of my weekend. Here is my list if anyone is interested:
Lands
3x Tropical Island
2x Underground Sea
3x Bayou
2x Forest
1x Swamp
3x Island
4x Misty Rainforest
3x Verdant Catacombs
1x Phyrexian Tower
Creatures
4x Veteran Explorer
3x Baleful Strix
2x Scavenging Ooze
1x Vendilion Clique
1x Glen Elendra Archmage
1x Notion Thief
1x Thragtusk
1x Consecrated Sphinx
1x Frost Titan
Spells
4x Cabal Therapy
4x Force of Will
2x Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4x Brainstorm
1x Ponder
1x Sensei's Divining Top
3x Pernicious Deed
2x Dig Through Time
2x Abrupt Decay
Sideboard
1x Darkblast
1x Abrupt Decay
1x Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1x Thragtusk
1x Venser, Shaper Savant
3x Thoughtseize
2x Nihil Spellbomb
2x Flusterstorm
2x Toxic Deluge
After the tournament I cut the Darkblast for another Nihil Spellbomb. My inexperience with the archetype really hurt me after (and during) that first round but I'm going to be going to the Invitational in NJ next year so I wanted a deck that gave me an edge in the meta and that I could customize after learning what my playstyle was. I am in love with this deck and it's renewed my waning interest in Legacy as a format.
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