View Poll Results: Most bannable card in Legacy? (not that they will touch it)

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  • Brainstorm

    16 8.33%
  • Force of Will

    4 2.08%
  • Lion's Eye Diamond

    35 18.23%
  • Counterbalance

    34 17.71%
  • Sensei's Divining Top

    103 53.65%
  • Tarmogoyf

    46 23.96%
  • Phyrexian Dreadnaught

    2 1.04%
  • Goblin Lackey

    4 2.08%
  • Standstill

    6 3.13%
  • Natural Order

    8 4.17%
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Thread: All B/R update speculation.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by testing32 View Post
    Go ahead, I'll be quoting the next B/R announcement for you.
    http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...ent-2015-01-19

    There you go.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Don't cry Brainstorm haters. Brainstorm will be banned in the next announcement. or the next, or in 10 years.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Hmm, not Dig. I wonder why. Perhaps it has something to do with it not appearing as a 4-of in most of the decks that use it.

    So, do all the decks using 4x Treasure Cruise yesterday simply scratch them for Dig?
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    was not expecting World gorger, but am happy as I own a play set and have loved the combo for years...

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    I'm so putting Worldgorger Dragon in Reanimator as a one of now. I might have to up my Animate Dead count.

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    How the fuck can you justify banning TC instead of Brainstorm. Can someone please try and justify that for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Hmm, not Dig. I wonder why. Perhaps it has something to do with it not appearing as a 4-of in most of the decks that use it.

    So, do all the decks using 4x Treasure Cruise yesterday simply scratch them for Dig?
    There is a difference in legacy between a spell costing U and double UU. Wotc made the perfect ban decision, no longer can aggressive decks reload their hand when they ran out of gas. I'm also pretty sure that Wotc is aware of the fact, that banning Brainstorm would only hurt the format, because it would increase the amount of masturbation by an absurde amount
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    When Obilivion Ring is said to be an equivalent counterpiece to Red Elemental Blast in regards to Show and Tell and Jace, you know all is lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Hmm, not Dig. I wonder why. Perhaps it has something to do with it not appearing as a 4-of in most of the decks that use it.

    So, do all the decks using 4x Treasure Cruise yesterday simply scratch them for Dig?
    Dig can go into Ur Delver and I expect that to be the play at the moment. It's an instant so it will get cast opponent's EoT to get around the inability to use the spells much the turn you cast it due to hard cost. It's a half-turn tempo loss and a card loss for Ur Delver but it will find them their win about as often due to the deeper dig.

  9. #10449

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    I'm more excited that Gifts Ungiven is unrestricted in vintage and I have a reason to sleeve up my Mana Drains again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by testing32 View Post
    How the fuck can you justify banning TC instead of Brainstorm. Can someone please try and justify that for me.
    Brainstorm doesn't generate actual card advantage.
    Brainstorm doesn't do anything outside of blue's color identity.
    "Brainstorm decks" don't actually exist, it's a workhorse in many separate, distinct decks.

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    Was hoping for a Survival and/or Goblin Recruiter unban. Maybe next time. Overall good news, I am happy.

    TC gets the axe. That was expected and needed.

    Worldgorger Dragon. Hmm. I mean is that thing even playable? Besides Animate Dead, are there any news tricks with it?

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Because Brainstorm is not as powerful as Ancestral Recall.

    I'm willing to put that out there. I will take that risk.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by testing32 View Post
    How the fuck can you justify banning TC instead of Brainstorm. Can someone please try and justify that for me.
    TC is overpowered card advantage, BS is card selection. a early game BS is good, but a mid-late game TC can easily be devastating.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by testing32 View Post
    How the fuck can you justify banning TC instead of Brainstorm. Can someone please try and justify that for me.
    Because it's good for the format obviously.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    And suddenly, Miracles was the one to rule them all again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adryan View Post
    There is a difference in legacy between a spell costing U and double UU. Wotc made the perfect ban decision, no longer can aggressive deck reload their hand when they ran out of gas.
    Instead of casting their turn 2 or 3 with 1 mana, sometimes 2 left open, they'll cast EoT opponents turn 3 or 4 and untap with the cards they dug deeper for. I expect the net effect to be similar overall with the one real constraint now being that Stifle-Wasteland disruption has some ability to effect Ur Delver's ability to cast the spell due to the requirement.

    The other change of course is that in a perverse display of reverse-engineering WotC has made it *harder* to splash this type of card draw into other lists. No more Treasure Cruise for Burn, etc, however blue still has access to Dig Through Time. It's as if WotC really understands and empathizes with poor under-represented weak blue lists.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quasim0ff View Post
    And suddenly, Miracles was the one to rule them all again.
    I dunno, Quasimof. It is not that simple. If Dig turns out to be a poor replacement, D+T will be able to handle blue decks again, and it is a beating on Miracles.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    I'm happy with this. Overpowered Treasure Cruise banned, but we still have Dig Through Time for people who want to play a powerful Delve-spell. Worldgorger Dragon is back. That's exciting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vicar in a tutu View Post
    I'm happy with this. Overpowered Treasure Cruise banned, but we still have Dig Through Time for people who want to play a powerful Delve-spell. Worldgorger Dragon is back. That's exciting.
    Spell Snare is also back, in a big way.

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    To people that are unaware of it. This Creasure Cruise meta was the best meta for miracles. Miracles had almost no bad MU's. Before Treasure Cruise people had a reason to play decks like Shardless BUG and Jund Nic Fit, which are not good MU's.
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