[Deck] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils) Storm Combo

[sawatarix]

You should read the card before complaining about it...

[Rokkastut]

You should read the card before complaining about it...

Omg... Absolutely my mistake.

I have my whole deck pimped in german (a language I don't speak so good)... I wished I had used gatherer first. Sorry for asking such a stupid question. Now I will go and bury my head in the sand (and put Rain of Filth in my list again)...

[Ancestral]

I am having issues with red mana when I run the usual fifteen with Bayou instead of Badlands. But I don't see myself cutting a green source for more red since I have 7 green slots in the SB.

Also worth mentioning when mana is discussed, the recently hyped Rain of Filth. So far I always wish it was a Dark Ritual instead, either I don't have enough swamps in play (hate Trop and Volc in this scenario), or I can't use it the same way as Dark Ritual when playing PiF.

Of course dark ritual its better but they wont let us play 5 dar rituals :/

[Howishotgun]

In those weird situations Rain of Filth can be used to easily hit threshold when you know its all green.

[Rokkastut]

In those weird situations Rain of Filth can be used to easily hit threshold when you know its all green.

Yup, I just need to be more focused and more awake (especially when posting on forums)

[Megadeus]

So I'm going to be testing out a list with a single Burning Wish for a bit here (if I ever get out to play). I'm kind of unsure on the SB though. I've got a Top/Preordain/BWish split with 1 MB AN/PiF/Tendrils as well. Current sideboard is:

1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Past in Flames
1 Empty the Warrens
2 Massacre
4 Abrupt Decay
3 Xantid Swarm
2 Chain of Vapor
1 Flex (Right now it's a bolt, but I'm thinking maybe a Thoughtseize to wish for?)

I understand a lot of people aren't fans of the wish, but I enjoy the flexibility and also have been wanting a 5th "tutor". Do you guys think this is alright or maybe switch it up a bit?

[Jonathan Alexander]

Wish is not supposed to be a tutor, it's supposed to be an additional Tendrils when you play against Surgical Extraction effects. The utility is lost because of how clunky it is. I don't like the idea viewing cards as sideboard-only, but Wish is very much sideboard-only.

[sawatarix]

So you are willing to sacrifice 1/3 of your sideboard for one singleton Burning Wish?

If you play one Wish it is only a splitcard that reads:
"Burning the Warrens 4RR / Tendrils' on Fire 3RBB"

I did this before and won the GP Kyoto Trial 2 months ago but seriously, there is no need for it unluss you are REALLY scared of Slaughter Games and Sadistic Sacraments. If I remember correctly I cast it only once to get turn one Goblins while it got shuffled away the rest of the time. The card is ok with Ad Nauseam though. But generally, Thumbs down for wish.

So I'm gonna join a 200-People tournament today called "God-series" in Tokyo.
8 rounds of swiss + top8, really exited.

My List has changed since Grand Prix Kyoto, so here is what I'm gonna play today.

http://decks.deckedbuilder.com/d/69094

We got a new metagame here:
1. miracle control
2. grixis control
3. Grixis Delver
4. Omnitell
5. Merfolk

It is kind of challenging, especially against Miracle and Grixis Control so one Sensei's Diviving Top went in my main instead of the second Preordain.
Ad Nauseam stays in the main for obvious reasons.
The sideboard is a next level project: You see a lot of Meddling Mages out of Miracle decks naming "Abrupt Decay" so that's the reason to split 2-3 with Grip.
City of Solitude is a test card over the third Xantid Swarm although I think the card is not really worth the slot.
The only rounds I lost with this deck during the last 4 tournaments (32 rounds including the GP) were against miracle control so I'm willing to tune half of my sb against it. After all, that's the reason for a sideboard, right ?

Attack Attack !

[sawatarix]

#Last Minute Change:

my Sideboard contains 2 (!) city of solitudes and 1 Thoughtseize now.
Bye Flusterstorm...

[Megadeus]

Wish is not supposed to be a tutor, it's supposed to be an additional Tendrils when you play against Surgical Extraction effects. The utility is lost because of how clunky it is. I don't like the idea viewing cards as sideboard-only, but Wish is very much sideboard-only.

To be fair though, Everything in that board was already being played in the board other than the possible Thoughtseize I listed. Otherwise it is essentially another business spell. I haven't gotten to actually play with it, but in theory it is nice to be able to use my Infernal Tutors to get more rituals and then able to wish for PiF despite not being completely hellbent.

[Togores]

#Last Minute Change:

my Sideboard contains 2 (!) city of solitudes and 1 Thoughtseize now.
Bye Flusterstorm...

Why 3 chain of vapor? Rest seems ok!


Gl and headshot all!

[Jonathan Alexander]

To be fair though, Everything in that board was already being played in the board other than the possible Thoughtseize I listed. Otherwise it is essentially another business spell. I haven't gotten to actually play with it, but in theory it is nice to be able to use my Infernal Tutors to get more rituals and then able to wish for PiF despite not being completely hellbent.

I wasn't saying you were wasting slots, that was Kai. Wish always seems free and good in theory, but in practice it's almost always worse than playing an additional Tendrils. It's very hard to go off through Wish -> Past in Flames and other than that, it does do much. It does feel great to cast Tendrils for 20 without any engines from seven or eight cards in hand though. If you want better Ad Nauseams, play an additional Tendrils; if you want to have better Past in Flames kills, play an additional Tendrils.

[Rokkastut]

Why 3 chain of vapor? Rest seems ok!


Gl and headshot all!

Probably just doing it oldschool like Carsten, as for the D&T matchup with no Dread of Night or Massacre in board just insert the 3 CoV for 3 Duress.

Regarding Burning Wish i am also playing a singleton main right now, alot of D&T + Miracles + UWx Delver in the meta so it kinda works like a better Pyroclasm that is not dead in other matchups. Playing this in game 1 again an unexpected player is always nice. Just need to win 1/2 of the remaining games.

[sawatarix]

Back with a top 32 finish among 192 players.
Well, not my day...got a couple of fizzle action with Past in Flames with only cantrips in my yard.
The main has been decent as always, I'm gonna stick with 1 Preordain and 1 Sensei instead of 2 Preordains, that's for sure.

The second Tendrils of Agony is kind of tempting because now Infernal Tutor turns into an "engine".
(You double Toa and and get lethal damage for minimal investment, just a simple storm 4-5 and 8 mana)

[l33twash0r]

Back with a top 32 finish among 192 players.
Well, not my day...got a couple of fizzle action with Past in Flames with only cantrips in my yard.
The main has been decent as always, I'm gonna stick with 1 Preordain and 1 Sensei instead of 2 Preordains, that's for sure.

The second Tendrils of Agony is kind of tempting because now Infernal Tutor turns into an "engine".
(You double Toa and and get lethal damage for minimal investment, just a simple storm 4-5 and 8 mana)

What about Grim Tutor or is it just too mana and life expensive card to use?

[Lemnear]

Back with a top 32 finish among 192 players.
Well, not my day...got a couple of fizzle action with Past in Flames with only cantrips in my yard.
The main has been decent as always, I'm gonna stick with 1 Preordain and 1 Sensei instead of 2 Preordains, that's for sure.

The second Tendrils of Agony is kind of tempting because now Infernal Tutor turns into an "engine".
(You double Toa and and get lethal damage for minimal investment, just a simple storm 4-5 and 8 mana)

An "Engine" if you have ToA+IT in hand and 8 to 10 mana total. I think it's an iffy requirement. I'm surprised you dropped the Flusterstorms you defended like a week ago with vehemence

[Sloshthedark]

RoF - for G2 I usually SB out a ritual, I don't know why I'd like more, 4 lands is needed to have same mana output through PiF as DR, this is getting a bit wild when you read as an option in TES discussion such hype for a fringe DDFT card

single BW MD for answering X or Z is really bad and random there was a discussion in the old thread few years back exactly like this one, the SB idea is neat

I'm a bit worried about next logical step when Miracles start to include MM/Cannonists for Omnitell MU often, the splash damage for Ant is very unpleasant

[Lemnear]

RoF - for G2 I usually SB out a ritual, I don't know why I'd like more, 4 lands is needed to have same mana output through PiF as DR, this is getting a bit wild when you read as an option in TES discussion such hype for a fringe DDFT card

Well, it's a card what scales with turns played and still can ignore graveyard hate unlike Cabal Ritual and only costs 1 mana which was the reason for the pondering. It's a black Rite of Flame in most cases which isn't as bad as Chrome Mox in your hand is if the game isn't decided in the first or second turn. I guess discussion is valid (mostly because I hate Chrome Mox anyways)

single BW MD for answering X or Z is really bad and random there was a discussion in the old thread few years back exactly like this one, the SB idea is neat

It's not just "bad", but a horrible mindset I try to fight in the TES thread for years. "Wish->Solution" is a terrible reactive gameplan and tempoloss. Wish is a card for increased but flexible threat-density not a hail Mary to dig you out from losing positions. It's the same stupid idea people come up with in regards to Diminishing Returns

I'm a bit worried about next logical step when Miracles start to include MM/Cannonists for Omnitell MU often, the splash damage for Ant is very unpleasant

They already did. Kai mentioned the nasty combo of Counterbalance + Meddling Mage @ Decay on Facebook and opted to split Decay/Grip for that reason. I do not agree with that conclusion personally because assembling both cards without a window to break free or combo. Canonist is a bit nastier as an turn two autopilot against storm and OmniTell

[dissy]

RoF - for G2 I usually SB out a ritual, I don't know why I'd like more, 4 lands is needed to have same mana output through PiF as DR, this is getting a bit wild when you read as an option in TES discussion such hype for a fringe DDFT card

single BW MD for answering X or Z is really bad and random there was a discussion in the old thread few years back exactly like this one, the SB idea is neat

I'm a bit worried about next logical step when Miracles start to include MM/Cannonists for Omnitell MU often, the splash damage for Ant is very unpleasant

Same here mirracles is a verry hard matchup. Specially if they are gonna include MM and cannonist for omnitell we should be prepaired for that.
We already have some hate for death and taxes with massacres/dread of night. I think we should increase the number of those cards for a better matchup against mirracles.
The question what to take out is a hard one and i dont have a good answer on it, it realy depends on your board but i think i'am going to take out a surgical extraction ( i run two and i only use them for the mirror and reanimator like decks). But i think its not a bad choice to have 3-4 massacres for that situation. They only have 2/3 jaces in the deck to counterballance the massacre. Incombination with discard and krosan grip we might have a shot:)
The only problem when boarding in 3 massacres is that adnauseum gets a lot worse i guess.
And we can often play it for free. It also destroys there cliques and snapcasters. Besides that our matchups against thalia decks get a lot better (D&T, Maverick)

Like kai said if its our worst matchup why not commit like 50% of our sideboard to it.
Note that i'am not a really experienced storm player, i have a lot of love for the deck though.

So sorry if i am saying stupid things.
@kai: congrats with a nice finish again. You keep on tearing people apart i love it!

[Lemnear]

Same here mirracles is a verry hard matchup. Specially if they are gonna include MM and cannonist for omnitell we should be prepaired for that.
We already have some hate for death and taxes with massacres/dread of night. I think we should increase the number of those cards for a better matchup against mirracles.
The question what to take out is a hard one and i dont have a good answer on it, it realy depends on your board but i think i'am going to take out a surgical extraction ( i run two and i only use them for the mirror and reanimator like decks). But i think its not a bad choice to have 3-4 massacres for that situation. They only have 2/3 jaces in the deck to counterballance the massacre. Incombination with discard and krosan grip we might have a shot:)
The only problem when boarding in 3 massacres is that adnauseum gets a lot worse i guess.
And we can often play it for free. It also destroys there cliques and snapcasters. Besides that our matchups against thalia decks get a lot better (D&T, Maverick)

Like kai said if its our worst matchup why not commit like 50% of our sideboard to it.
Note that i'am not a really experienced storm player, i have a lot of love for the deck though.

So sorry if i am saying stupid things.
@kai: congrats with a nice finish again. You keep on tearing people apart i love it!

You can not justify boarding creature removal just for speculating on potential hatebears and Clique as it's job usually done once it entered the battlefield. You can however find reason for additional flexible permanent-removal like more copies of Decays, Grips or CoV (play artifacts, bounce them and opponents Canonist, replay artifacts into Tendrils)