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[maCHOOga]

...they're playing standard and can easily be clocked.

Thanks for the insight!

I was going to try it out tonight but my friends want to play standard instead lol. Irony much?

[Rock Lee]

Split the finals of weekly magic with a list very similar to this. Still unsure if the fatty-permanents (lab, in the eye, bane) should just be force of will or not.

// Lands
1 [IA] Glacial Chasm
4 [FNM] Cloudpost
1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
4 [R] Tropical Island
4 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
2 [DPA] Island (1)
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
1 [LG] Karakas
1 [AVR] Cavern of Souls
1 [TSP] Vesuva
1 [SOK] Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
1 [ON] Flooded Strand
1 [DK] Maze of Ith

// Creatures
3 [DIS] Tidespout Tyrant
1 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 [M11] Primeval Titan

// Spells
3 [OD] Standstill
3 [GP] Repeal
3 [US] Show and Tell
4 [MM] Brainstorm
2 [FRF] Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
4 [UL] Crop Rotation
4 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
2 [AQ] Candelabra of Tawnos

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [7E] Arcane Laboratory
SB: 1 [LG] In the Eye of Chaos
SB: 2 [FUT] Venser, Shaper Savant
SB: 3 [B] Blue Elemental Blast
SB: 3 [NE] Submerge
SB: 4 [CMD] Flusterstorm
SB: 1 [C13] Bane of Progress

[TheBoozeCube]

I've seen a number of lists running Mikokoro, Center of the Sea. I'd like to understand what role this plays in various matchups. I get that you can use it to mess with Infernal Tutor, but what else do you use it for? Having never played it, symmetrical card draw seems less than optimal, even on a land. Are there particular situations where this card does work that I'm just not seeing?

[AppendixG]

I've seen a number of lists running Mikokoro, Center of the Sea. Are there particular situations where this card does work that I'm just not seeing?

I've run into a few corner cases...

I once used it against a Miracles player after they tapped out to put (what I suspected to be) a Terminus on top of their library to counter a Primeval Titan.

I also used it against a Laboratory Maniac OmniTell build after they cast Enter the Infinite but before Maniac hit play. They had already used their Trickbind on a Venser and, apparently, had no other solution.

I've done similar stuff against Oops, All Spells but, really, half the deck can wreck Oops, All Spells.

I've found that the trick to getting Mikokoro to work consistently in the Storm matchup is to hold onto at least 2 Repeals or Vensers. If they suspect it's coming, they'll leave a Lion's Eye up to sac after Mikokoro, so you Repeal the untapped one first to either force a search for Lion's Eye or, if they sac it in response, then you Mikokoro them.

[iamajellydonut]

I've run into a few corner cases...

This is saucy as hell.

[maCHOOga]

I've found that the trick to getting Mikokoro to work consistently in the Storm matchup is to hold onto at least 2 Repeals or Vensers. If they suspect it's coming, they'll leave a Lion's Eye up to sac after Mikokoro, so you Repeal the untapped one first to either force a search for Lion's Eye or, if they sac it in response, then you Mikokoro them.

I'm amazed that you have lived long enough to actually cast Venser. When I play against storm, I'm usually dead by turn 3. Also, none if this spell shenanigans works if they are playing Xantid swarms.

I agree with BoozeCube, I'm not sold on it either. I like the aspect of having an additional mana sink in the deck but I'm never going to want to crop rotation for it...and there are scenarios where I really need to hit a colored mana source and draw it instead. It does seem pretty decent with standstill though!

[AppendixG]

I'm amazed that you have lived long enough to actually cast Venser. When I play against storm, I'm usually dead by turn 3. Also, none if this spell shenanigans works if they are playing Xantid swarms.

There are very few cards in this deck that will actually kill an opponent. And there are very few cards in the deck that will permanently disable an opponent, so I value cards based on how much time they can buy in certain match ups. Glacial Chasm versus Burn, for example, buys about three turns. Bojuka Bog versus Reanimator can buy you 1-3 turns. Mikokoro, in my experience, buys at least one turn versus Storm.

It's definitely not a lot, but it's something.

I think the biggest issue is cross-compatibility. Glacial Chasm is good against decks other than Burn. Same with Bojuka Bog. Mikokoro is almost exclusively useful in the Storm matchup, it doesn't have a lot of applicability anywhere else (barring the above, extremely rare cases). It's easily the narrowest "toolbox" land in the deck. So, if you don't have a lot of Storm in your meta, that's definitely a reason to cut it.

[Hencules]

Who else has been working with DTT? I haven't seen it in recently posted lists.

DTT has been absolutely amazing. It feels like having instant speed primeval titans. In fact, they fulfil a very similar role. Resolve it and get any combination of two awesome cards. I have yet to lose a game after resolving it. In games where you're behind it allows you to find the correct combination of disruption/lands/creatures to get back in the race. This is my current list:


4 Primeval Titan
2 Dig Through Time

2 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth

4 Crop Rotation
4 Sensei’s Divining Top
4 Brainstorm
3 Show and Tell

4 Repeal
2 Moment’s Peace
3 Pithing Needle

4 Misty Rainforest
1 Flooded Strand
1 Forest
1 Island
4 Tropical Island

4 Cloudpost
4 Glimmerpost
2 Vesuva

1 Bojuka Bog
1 Eye of Ugin
1 Karakas
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Cavern of Souls

[Rock Lee]

Went undefeated at another weekly magic event with this build. Matchups were Shardless BUG (2-1), Omnishow (2-0), Lands (2-0)

// Lands
1 [IA] Glacial Chasm
4 [FNM] Cloudpost
1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
4 [R] Tropical Island
4 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
2 [DPA] Island (1)
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
1 [LG] Karakas
1 [AVR] Cavern of Souls
1 [TSP] Vesuva
1 [SOK] Mikokoro, Center of the Sea

// Creatures
3 [DIS] Tidespout Tyrant
1 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 [M11] Primeval Titan
1 [FD] Trinket Mage

// Spells
3 [OD] Standstill
3 [GP] Repeal
3 [US] Show and Tell
4 [MM] Brainstorm
2 [FRF] Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
3 [UL] Crop Rotation
4 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
2 [SH] Mox Diamond
1 [ZEN] Expedition Map
1 [AQ] Candelabra of Tawnos

// Sideboard
SB: 2 [FUT] Venser, Shaper Savant
SB: 3 [B] Blue Elemental Blast
SB: 2 [NE] Submerge
SB: 3 [CMD] Flusterstorm
SB: 1 [LG] In the Eye of Chaos
SB: 1 [US] Arcane Laboratory
SB: 3 [AL] Force of Will


Only sideboard work I would like to do is more cards to deal with infect. I would prefer 1 wasteland, 1 submerge, 1 moment's peace over 3 fow, but not sure if I can deal with no FOW anywhere when going to a large event, where things like belcher/oops will be present.

[Ancestral]

Went undefeated at another weekly magic event with this build. Matchups were Shardless BUG (2-1), Omnishow (2-0), Lands (2-0)

// Lands
1 [IA] Glacial Chasm
4 [FNM] Cloudpost
1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
4 [R] Tropical Island
4 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
2 [DPA] Island (1)
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
1 [LG] Karakas
1 [AVR] Cavern of Souls
1 [TSP] Vesuva
1 [SOK] Mikokoro, Center of the Sea

// Creatures
3 [DIS] Tidespout Tyrant
1 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 [M11] Primeval Titan
1 [FD] Trinket Mage

// Spells
3 [OD] Standstill
3 [GP] Repeal
3 [US] Show and Tell
4 [MM] Brainstorm
2 [FRF] Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
3 [UL] Crop Rotation
4 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
2 [SH] Mox Diamond
1 [ZEN] Expedition Map
1 [AQ] Candelabra of Tawnos

// Sideboard
SB: 2 [FUT] Venser, Shaper Savant
SB: 3 [B] Blue Elemental Blast
SB: 2 [NE] Submerge
SB: 3 [CMD] Flusterstorm
SB: 1 [LG] In the Eye of Chaos
SB: 1 [US] Arcane Laboratory
SB: 3 [AL] Force of Will


Only sideboard work I would like to do is more cards to deal with infect. I would prefer 1 wasteland, 1 submerge, 1 moment's peace over 3 fow, but not sure if I can deal with no FOW anywhere when going to a large event, where things like belcher/oops will be present.

congrtaz on the win. But how you manage to win agains omnitell? the matchup seems awfall :/ even with sideboarding

[Postman]

congrtaz on the win. But how you manage to win agains omnitell? the matchup seems awfall :/ even with sideboarding

I guess that's why there are 3 Tidespout Tyrant main. Omnitell needs S&T to put Omniscience into play. You put the Tyrant into play. They do something, you play any instant, bounce the Omnitell. They have nothing, you have a nice clock. But it's only guessing, never tried Tyrant so far

[Ancestral]

I guess that's why there are 3 Tidespout Tyrant main. Omnitell needs S&T to put Omniscience into play. You put the Tyrant into play. They do something, you play any instant, bounce the Omnitell. They have nothing, you have a nice clock. But it's only guessing, never tried Tyrant so far

well instants isn´t the thing in this deck, and that cenario i guess that would be not very likly.

But bringing the tyrant point, why there are 3 in main deck ? i hope rock lee can answer this questions ;)

[Rock Lee]

Tyrant is there exactly for that reason. Omni has to cast show and tell to win, I won my Game 1 against them by having Tyrant in hand with 3 instants, one being crop rotation for a mikokoro. He cast enter the infinite off a turn 3 show and tell'd omniscience, when I put in tyrant. I cast brainstorm (bouncing omni), he dug through time, I responded with crop rotation(bouncing omni), tutored up mikokoro and let his enter the dig through time, then enter the infinite resolve. He puts back one card, I untap and mikokoro us both to zero cards in his library, he draws for turn and loses.

The game 1 plan isn't amazing, but it still works. I've been working on getting more instants available for the plan. Current list is testing less/no repeals, but with moment's peaces and mazes combined.

[Ancestral]

Tyrant is there exactly for that reason. Omni has to cast show and tell to win, I won my Game 1 against them by having Tyrant in hand with 3 instants, one being crop rotation for a mikokoro. He cast enter the infinite off a turn 3 show and tell'd omniscience, when I put in tyrant. I cast brainstorm (bouncing omni), he dug through time, I responded with crop rotation(bouncing omni), tutored up mikokoro and let his enter the dig through time, then enter the infinite resolve. He puts back one card, I untap and mikokoro us both to zero cards in his library, he draws for turn and loses.

The game 1 plan isn't amazing, but it still works. I've been working on getting more instants available for the plan. Current list is testing less/no repeals, but with moment's peaces and mazes combined.

thanks for the answer. but omni tells i face don´t run EtI anymore, or dream halls, just the new build so they SnT into omniscience and then play emrakull, you can put tyrant but the priority remains in their side so he can play emrakull before boiuncing omniscience and that is GG. so i thin its just a marginal situation where tyrant can be good. other than this having tyrant in hand and instants and mana to play them in a short period isn´t a strenght of the deck so this senario seems a bit unlickly :/ but tyrant main deck has other really good pourpose on other matchups to deserve 3 (!!) slots main board ?

just trying to figure it out the options here since i don´t play this deck much (but i want too xD (but i play legacy for a long time now)) .

and how is standstill working for you ?

[AppendixG]

thanks for the answer. but omni tells i face don´t run EtI anymore, or dream halls, just the new build so they SnT into omniscience and then play emrakull, you can put tyrant but the priority remains in their side so he can play emrakull before boiuncing omniscience and that is GG.

You could always play another instant to bounce Emrakul, since Tyrant is a permanent and Emrakul only has protection from colored spells. You've also got Karakas to deal with Emrakul once he hits the field, so if one of your instants is a Crop Rotation you should grab that if you expect it.

[Ancestral]

You could always play another instant to bounce Emrakul, since Tyrant is a permanent and Emrakul only has protection from colored spells. You've also got Karakas to deal with Emrakul once he hits the field, so if one of your instants is a Crop Rotation you should grab that if you expect it.

doesn´t work, emmy gain him an extra turn, bounce him its just another turn and another , etc. can´t deal with that this way, thats why i m saying that tyrants doens´t seem to good in this matchup

[AppendixG]

doesn´t work, emmy gain him an extra turn, bounce him its just another turn and another , etc. can´t deal with that this way, thats why i m saying that tyrants doens´t seem to good in this matchup

Well, yeah, this is all assuming you bounced Omniscience, of course.

[Ancestral]

Well, yeah, this is all assuming you bounced Omniscience, of course.

thats already a lot of stuff xD and they have an extra turn either way

[TimHarding]

Call me old school but I still like Glen-Elendra Archmage as dedicated Omni hate. Krosan Grip too.

[Raystar]

Not sure I like Tyrant but the play is legit: you play Tyrant on their S&T, they dig, you rotate for Karakas bouncing Omni...even if they get another S&T they are still having to deal with Karakas and another possible bounce from Tyrant...