List of Compact Combos

[MaximumC]

Battlefield Thaumaturge and Descent of the Dragons is kind of a combo.

There's a blurry line between combo and synergy, but a two card combination which might allow you to make 4+ 4/4s if you have an army of 1/1s out already... I dunno, seems more like a synergy than a real combo. I mean, Thaumaturge combos like this with lots of cards. Take Turn to Swine, for example.

[Cire]

Sidisi, Undead Vizier is probably a better way to go with rooftop storm since he's his own sac outlet. In legacy you can chain through zombies (Sibsig Muckdraggers,Gravedigger,Gravespawn Sovereign,Havengul Lich) to put together a winning combo.

What is the minimum number of chaff you need to win with Sidisi + Rooftop?

Best I have is this hilarious and awful combo

4 Rooftop
4 Sidisi
1 Ghoulraiser
2 Lava Zombie
1 Brainstorm/Gut Shot

12 cards and 8 mana to pull off

[rufus]

What is the minimum number of chaff you need to win with Sidisi + Rooftop?

I'm not sure what the best line of play is.

At 7 mana you can hit: Rooftop Storm + Sidisi, Unded Vizier (self exploit) -> Havengul Lich allows for recycling Sidisi as a cost Demonic Tutor, which can chain into a storm win.

You can also 'bootstrap' from 6 mana using extra Sidisis a pile of Sibsig Muckdraggerss, Gravediggers and Gravespawn Sovereign:

With 6 mana cast Rooftop Storm
Cast Sidisi, have him exploit himself. Search for Sibsig Muckdraggers. Return Sidisi to your hand. (Repeat 4x)
Cast Sidisi, have him exploit himself. Search for Gravespawn Sovereign. Activate Sovereign to return Sidisi to play. Exploit one of the muckdraggers. Search for another Sidisi
Cast the new Sidisi. Kill the other Sidisi with the legend rule. Exploit one of the Muckdraggers. Search for Sidisi
Cast the new Sidisi, Kill the other Sidisi with the legend rule. Exploit the last Muckdragger. Search for Gravedigger, chain the Muckdraggers back into play, and a sidisi into your hand
Activate sovereign for a Sidisi effect to pull Havengul Lich.
Cast the Sidisi from your hand to pull Lion's Eye Diamond.

Edit:
How does your combo work?

[Cire]

Edit:
How does your combo work?

Rooftop
Sidisi --> Self exploit --> Ghoulraiser
Ghoulraiser --> return --> Sidisi
Sidisi --> self exploit --> Lava Zombie #1
Lava Zombie --> return Ghoulraiser
Ghoulraiser --> return --> Sidisi
Sidisi --> self exploit --> Lava Zombie #2
Lava Zombie chain for a while
Lava Zombie --> return Ghoulraiser
Ghoulraiser --> return --> Sidisi
Sidisi --> self exploit --> Storm card
Win?

Still requires 8 mana . . .

[MaximumC]

Rooftop
Sidisi --> Self exploit --> Ghoulraiser
Ghoulraiser --> return --> Sidisi
Sidisi --> self exploit --> Lava Zombie #1
Lava Zombie --> return Ghoulraiser
Ghoulraiser --> return --> Sidisi
Sidisi --> self exploit --> Lava Zombie #2
Lava Zombie chain for a while
Lava Zombie --> return Ghoulraiser
Ghoulraiser --> return --> Sidisi
Sidisi --> self exploit --> Storm card
Win?

Still requires 8 mana . . .

Do you really need a storm card? You're in a position to chain Lava Zombies off each other freely as much as you want, so you get yourself infinite ETB triggers. Go get yourself an Altar of the Brood for a win at 1 mana. I can't find a free way to win from here... there are no Zombies that grant haste or do something when other Zombies enter the battlefield, except for Noxious Ghoul, but that only lets you wipe the enemy's creatures. You could end with Corpse Connoisseur, but what'ya gonna do; grab a Vengevine for 4 damage? Bleh.

Hm.

I like this combo, though. Rooftop Storm + Sidisi sends you off to the races, and all you really need in your deck otherwise is a Gravedigger-type Zombie and two Lava Zombies. Maybe Altar of the Brood is the best you can do; it'd be really good if there was a way to win from here for free, though.

EDIT: Sedraxis Alchemist can stand in for Lava Zombie, making this combo modern-legal. Since multiple Sidisis can find the Rooftop Storm to begin with, could this possibly be a thing? Can you reach a 5U in Modern within a reasonable time frame?

[rufus]

Thanks. I missed the Brain Freeze/Grapeshot joke.

You only need one Lava Zombie (or Sedraxis Alchemist) since it can return itself, and could use the Havengul Lich->LED thing to shave off a mana point.

[MaximumC]

Thanks. I missed the Brain Freeze/Grapeshot joke.

You only need one Lava Zombie (or Sedraxis Alchemist) since it can return itself, and could use the Havengul Lich->LED thing to shave off a mana point.

Lich doesn't shave off a mana point if you're going for an Altar kill anyway; it's one colorless either way.

Also, LED makes it non-Modern legal. Fine and all, but I'm wondering if this combo actually has legs. Winning instantly for 5U might actually be good.

[sjmcc13]

Lich doesn't shave off a mana point if you're going for an Altar kill anyway; it's one colorless either way.

Also, LED makes it non-Modern legal. Fine and all, but I'm wondering if this combo actually has legs. Winning instantly for 5U might actually be good.

If you have Storm, Sidisi and either a 2nd Sidisi, one of the recursion zombies (Ghoulraiser , Gravedigger, etc), or a Mikeaus, the Unhallowed in hand I think you could go off then and there.
does this look right, Assuming a recursion zombie in hand,
Storm
Sidisi > Self Exploit > Mikeaus
Mikeaus
RZ, get back Sidisi
Sidisi > SE twice thanks to Mikeaus giving him Undying. Get Sidsi + Nantuko Husk
Sidisi > SE twice for Gravecrawler + a Recursion zombie
Rz > sidisi
Sidisi > SE twice Sidisi + SSG
Sidisi > SE twice Grapeshot + SSG
Husk
Gravecrawler
loop through casting gravecaller and sacrificing it to husk.
Grapeshot for the win.

[Cire]

Hmm . . . obviously this combo is crap in legacy - but if we can get to a winning combination with just Sidisi and rooftop then it might have a change in modern. . . unfortunately, my combo version requires 8 mana, and the others require another card in the hand.

[MaximumC]

Hmm . . . obviously this combo is crap in legacy - but if we can get to a winning combination with just Sidisi and rooftop then it might have a change in modern. . . unfortunately, my combo version requires 8 mana, and the others require another card in the hand.

Hm, oh yeah, you can't keep going with your bounce zombies after you Sidisi for Altar because getting Sidisi back breaks your chain. Hm....

You can add Gravecrawlers to the mix as an early aggro option so you have more stuff in the yard to recur and sacrifice, but Im not sure if that is helpfui.

[rufus]

Hmm . . . obviously this combo is crap in legacy - but if we can get to a winning combination with just Sidisi and rooftop then it might have a change in modern. . . unfortunately, my combo version requires 8 mana, and the others require another card in the hand.

You could chain Sibsig Muckdraggers and Gravedigger out creatures and then drop Mass Hysteria or Grey Merchant of Asphodel.

[Cire]

You could chain Sibsig Muckdraggers and Gravedigger out creatures and then drop Mass Hysteria or Grey Merchant of Asphodel.

totally forgot about him . . . so here is the minimum for a 2 card combo that costs 5U

Rooftop
Sidisi > Self Exploit > Ghoulraiser > Get Sidisi back (Devotion 2)
Sidisi > Self Exploit > Ghoulraiser > Get Sidisi back (Devotion 4)
Sidisi > Self Exploit > Ghoulraiser > Get Sidisi back (Devotion 6)
Sidisi > Self Exploit > Ghoulraiser > Get Sidisi back (Devotion 8)
Sidisi > Self Exploit > Gravedigger > Get Sidisi back (Devotion 9)
Sidisi > Self Exploit > Gravedigger > Get Sidisi back (Devotion 10)
Sidisi > Self Exploit > Gravedigger > Get Sidisi back (Devotion 11)
Sidisi > Self Exploit > Gravedigger > Get Sidisi back (Devotion 12)
Sidisi > Self Exploit > Sibsig Muckdraggers > Get Sidisi back (Devotion 13)
Sidisi > Self Exploit > Sibsig Muckdraggers > Get Sidisi back (Devotion 14)
Sidisi > Self Exploit > Sibsig Muckdraggers > Get Sidisi back (Devotion 15)
Sidisi > Self Exploit > Sibsig Muckdraggers > Get Sidisi back (Devotion 16)
Sidisi > Self Exploit > Sibsig Muckdraggers > Get Gray Merchant of Asphodel (Burn for 18)

If that doesn't kill on the spot, you do have 28 power on the board.

Thats

4 Gravedigger
4 Ghoulraiser
4 Sibsig Muckdraggers
4 Sidisi
2 Gray Merchant of Asphodel

4 Rooftop

22 cards.. . . .

What's the best way to get sidisi and rooftop into play in Modern?

[rufus]

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What's the best way to get sidisi and rooftop into play in Modern?

Perhaps this could go to another thread. That said, it's more efficient to exploit a Muckdragger when you fetch merchant since Sidisi has in the casting cost.

[Cire]

Perhaps this could go to another thread. That said, it's more efficient to exploit a Muckdragger when you fetch merchant since Sidisi has in the casting cost.

I'll start a modern thread. . . and good point!

[MaximumC]

I'll start a modern thread. . . and good point!

It's a good combo discussion, anyway. I don't like that last combo chain ending with Grey Merchant, though, because it requires you to be playing with 12 terrible, terrible creatures in your deck! The earlier chain getting you to bouncy zombies is a much smaller package. You can get away with only a single copy in your deck.

[Barook]

Containment Priest + Mistmeadow Witch

Certainly not the best thing ever, but a repeatable way to exile creatures.

[TsumiBand]

Commune with Lava + any card that restricts card drawing. For example, um... Maralen of the Mornsong would let you tutor for Commune and cast it right after getting the 'lock', potentially letting you just blow the opponent out before their tutor off of Maralen gives them the W (or maybe you affect that somehow as well, I dunno)

For that matter, Maralen + Stranglehold I guess. lol.

[rufus]

Commune with Lava + any card that restricts card drawing. For example, um... Maralen of the Mornsong would let you tutor for Commune and cast it right after getting the 'lock', potentially letting you just blow the opponent out before their tutor off of Maralen gives them the W (or maybe you affect that somehow as well, I dunno)

For that matter, Maralen + Stranglehold I guess. lol.

It doesn't have that "I win now" feeling. I also think that cards like Lion's Eye Diamond, Ill-Gotten Gains and Infernal Tutor have more interesting synergies.

[moseby]

My favorite is Academy Rector + Diabolic intent, or now + Sidisi, Undead Vizier.
While technically it is not a guaranteed kill it does wipe out 6 permanents, and deal damage.

Kill Rector get Omni, cast Emrakul

[YamiJoey]

I always wondered how you actually binned your Rector. That seems like a pretty good method.