Best hate vs. Omnitell?

[Tea]

All its spells that matter, besides Emrakul, are already instants. Stuff like Oring, Ashen Rider, Venser, etc are not enough vs the latest iterations of omnitell.

So if they put Omniscience into play through SnT and you put O-Ring/Venser/Ashen Rider into play, they can still win on instant speed (excluding Emrakul)? (sry for not understanding the rules).

If it isn't Venser, what is the best blue Omnitell-hate card?

[Julian23]

So if they put Omniscience into play through SnT and you put O-Ring/Venser/Ashen Rider into play, they can still win on instant speed (excluding Emrakul)? (sry for not understanding the rules).

Yes. They either just Trickbind your triggered ability with Cunning Wish (found via DTT, Impulse, Brainstorm etc.) or might even be able to just kill you with Entreat the Ants. Cunning Wish finds Firemind's Foresight, which in turn finds Brainstorm, Impulse and another Wish. The second wish finds Entreat the Ants while Impulse + Brainstorm probably put something pretty expensive on top.

[decan]

Excuse me. Entreat the Ants?

[Julian23]

Retreat the Ants, whatever

[GoblinZ]

If you really want to hate out omnitel, just play Grixis Delver.

[Baum]

If you really want to hate out omnitel, just play Grixis Delver.

Yep, Delver and Pyromancer backed up by Probe/Therapy are disgusting to play against.

[GenghisTom]

I have to agree Ethersworn Canonist is the best non-dedicated hate.
Admittedly, it works best in decks that run discard and/or an early clock and as Julian mentioned, it slows down the game giving you time to kill them or search for disenchant effects.
If you're running discard, then chances are, by the time they cast a Show and Tell for Omniscience, they will have very few cards left in their hand to 'go off'; sometimes none. Meaning, they have little options in their route while you're beating face.
Best strategy is to hold Canonist in your hand and wait for them to cast Show and Tell. If you cast Canonist early then they will just go for the Emurakul plan instead. This doesn't work so well if they're running discard of their own, however.
I played against a UB Omnishow deck Monday that ran Thoughtseize and Lim-Dûl's Vault which is very good against the discard plan as they can pluck your hate before going off, and cast vault in response to your discard and hide their piece(s) on top of their library. This can hurt their life total a bit which is why having a decent clock is essential for beating Omnishow decks.

Just my thoughts. I plan on running Canonist in the board next week for sure - good against Storm and Elves which is why it's preferable to Iona, Shield of Emeria.

Confusion in the Ranks suffers the same trigger problems as Ashen Rider - albeit much cuter if it's able to get there.

[ESG]

Retreat the Ants, whatever

Ants never retreat.

[Jo11ygrnreefer]

Gaddok Teeg, Trinisphere, Meddling Mage, or Liliana of the Veil.

[amalek0]

Today at the open I saw a lot of omnitell players get DESTROYED by trinisphere. It not only locks them out of seriously winning when they cast the show and tell, it's also eminently castable on its own, unlike Iona.

The other cards that caused them a lot of trouble were rule of law, ensnaring bridge, and (surprise surprise) slaughter-games effects of various types.

[Tea]

Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir is actually a valid choice, if you're not into white. He completely turns off counterspells while being a bomb against shardless BUG blanking Ancestral vision, Shardless agent and FoW.

[iamajellydonut]

Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir is actually a valid choice, if you're not into white. He completely turns off counterspells while being a bomb against shardless BUG blanking Ancestral vision, Shardless agent and FoW.

Except that Teferi is 5cc and, other than blanking their counterspells, does absolutely nothing to prevent them from winning the game.

[Kanti]

I've been messing around with High Tide again after dropping NicFit and have been sbing +2 Flusterstorm, +2 Vendillion Clique, +2 Surgical Extraction, with 3 CWishes to access another SE, which leaves me at 4 Flusterstorms in the main-deck in g2 and g3 with 4 Snapcaster Mages main-deck. The problem with the match-up is that most decks are wildly unfavored g1, and the hate packages they can bring in don't make their g2's and g3's hard enough.

In other words the best hate against Omnitell isn't a specific group of cards, but rather a specific deck. There isn't a Leyline of the Void equivalent to this match-up, so you're gonna have to beat it by playing a better pile of 75.

[btm10]

In the Eye of Chaos is by far the most hilarious and effective. It works best out of a deck like Shardless that wants to use non-Instants to interact. It's pretty bad if you're relying on counterspells and Dig.

[Kanti]

Ooh, that looks saucy. A truckload of counterspells only go so far against Boseiju, Who Shelters All and Defense Grid.

[ryO!]

or you could just play mana maze.

[Kanti]

Mana Maze lets them go CWish>ECall>Emrakul though the very next turn, where Canonist buys you an extra two turns, as they have to go CWish>pass>ECall>pass>Emrakul.

Edit: Not even, as they just ECall during the opponent's turn. So SnT>Omni>pass>CWish>pass>oppsturnECall>Emrakul.

[ryO!]

Mana Maze lets them go CWish>ECall>Emrakul though the very next turn, where Canonist buys you an extra two turns, as they have to go CWish>pass>ECall>pass>Emrakul.

Edit: Not even, as they just ECall during the opponent's turn. So SnT>Omni>pass>CWish>pass>oppsturnECall>Emrakul.

i haven't said it was better, but it still buys you time to destroy omni or just gives you one more turn to swing, which, in legacy, often mean enough to win the game.

[Valtrix]

One of the reasons Omnishow is so strong is that you can't stop all of their options with a single card, outside of countering/preventing the show and tell itself. If they get an omniscience out, cunning wish (and dig through time to find it) can let them win through anything with ETB triggers that you try to use against them. If you aim to stop the omniscience (a la confusion in the ranks for example), they can still win by just putting an Emrakul into play.

[iamajellydonut]

If you aim to stop the omniscience (a la confusion in the ranks for example), they can still win by just putting an Emrakul into play.

This falls under the same category of "win through ETB triggers".

Anyway, you say that there's no single card you can hate out, and then immediately follow it up by stating the single card that you can hate out. Force of Will. Surgical Extraction. Counterbalance floating something 3cc. Tier 2 options of Slaughter Games and Iona. All of those shit on Show and Tell and completely prevent them from winning. Then there's things that deal with Omniscience like Thalia.

But of course it's hard to hate out. What combo deck isn't hard to hate out? There's a reason why people play OmniShow and ANT and Elves instead of shit like Belcher.