[Deck] Death and Taxes

[Barook]

So I think you're right in that the mana is bad for red spells, but you have to weigh the pros and cons of dropping Cavern. Sudden Demise can be a game-changing sideboard card but it comes in vs relatively few decks. Whereas Cavern is a main-deck card that has application against something like 70% of the field, and combined with Magus often wins you a game on the spot vs a blue deck. I have had a few Sudden Demise stuck in my hand games but I think that's the price I'm willing to pay and I usually run only 1-2 copies of the card. If Elves/Infect swarm the field and 3-4 Sudden Demises becomes a must have, then yeah, I think it's probably necessary to tweak the manabase. In the long-run I'd definitely rather try to find non-white creatures that can provide the same effect but it's possible they just don't exist.

Goblin Sharpshooter exists. I would take it only as a supplemant, though, since it can only go online at T4 at best, with T5 being more likely, and that is too slow.

Might be a thing in the current metagame

[Bosque]

Speaking of which, this build confuses me. 1st in a 58 person tournament.

http://tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=18345&iddeck=138830

[Farone]

Speaking of which, this build confuses me. 1st in a 58 person tournament.

http://tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=18345&iddeck=138830

Yeah I saw the same list. It looks to me like an upgraded Modern D&T list. I wonder how it played out?

[iatee]

Goblin Sharpshooter exists. I would take it only as a supplemant, though, since it can only go online at T4 at best, with T5 being more likely, and that is too slow.

Might be a thing in the current metagame

I've played around with Sharpshooter and it's been good in various matchups, though it often felt like it was win-more when it came down, like I had generally stabilized / was ahead and was able to Recruiter for it vs Elves/D+T/Infect to finish off the game. It's not a bad card to have in the sb, but yeah t4/5 isn't gonna save you vs a good infect or elves draw.

Didn't notice that Bahra had reappeared, welcome back.

[Stevestamopz]

We obviously need to see what the meta is like without DTT but I no longer think we need Sharpshooter in R/W. It was only really superb against Monastery Mentor/Young Pyromancer, it just had the added bonus of being yet another card in R/W that was good against Elves/Infect.

Current list for those curious:

the usual 23 lands, 4 vials/4 swords/3 usual equipment

4 Flickerwisp
2 Recruiter
2 Magus
1 Mango
1 Crusader
4 Mom
3 Revoker
4 Stoneforge
4 Thalia
1 Wingmare. I'm not in love with the card, but I always got sick of not being able to tutor for a flier and the 3rd Recruiter can be kind of bad when all your equipment has decayed and it's looking at a Deathrite.

Sideboard's very experimental so take it with a grain of salt.

1 Revoker
2 Canonist
1 Containment Priest
1 Manic Vandal
1 Magus
1 Ali from Cairo (95% joking, 5% serious)
3 Rest in Peace
3 Sudden Demise
2 Council's Judgement

[movingtonewao]

can you explain your '5% serious' on ali from cairo? are there any situations that you want it at all

[Stevestamopz]

can you explain your '5% serious' on ali from cairo? are there any situations that you want it at all

If elves aren't playing shaman of the pack they probably can't ever win? The card's terrible, I just like Arabian Nights cards.

[Zombie]

if elves aren't playing shaman of the pack they probably can't ever win? The card's terrible, i just like arabian nights cards.

drs?

[Stevestamopz]

drs?

Lol yeah I guess. In all seriousness that card should probably be relic-warder or something actually useful, but Ali is a pimp. I just have a dream of vial-ing it in, in response to a burn player going bolt-bolt-fireblast.

[Zombie]

Lol yeah I guess. In all seriousness that card should probably be relic-warder or something actually useful, but Ali is a pimp. I just have a dream of vial-ing it in, in response to a burn player going bolt-bolt-fireblast.

Ladies and gents, sadism of the highest order (well, second to casting Show and Tell).

[TokenSoldier]

Speaking of which, this build confuses me. 1st in a 58 person tournament.

http://tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=18345&iddeck=138830

SoldierToken here (new name for multi-forum consistency),

Has anyone played with Judge's Familiar?
The card feels swingy. I remember seeing another list put up results with it (at a Star City event) some time last year before GP NJ

[iatee]

Haha I've definitely considered Ali before, winning with Arabian Nights cards is definitely winning in style - but came to the same conclusion as other people here. Elves drops you to one and activates DRS once. Card does nothing.

Magus of the Moat is way easier to cast and is just a better version of that effect I think. When resolved it's gonna win the game vs. Merfolk, Elves and Infect, but still suffers from the 'Well, you have to live to t4/t5 at least' problem w/ the last two.

[Barook]

Haha I've definitely considered Ali before, winning with Arabian Nights cards is definitely winning in style - but came to the same conclusion as other people here. Elves drops you to one and activates DRS once. Card does nothing.

Magus of the Moat is way easier to cast and is just a better version of that effect I think. When resolved it's gonna win the game vs. Merfolk, Elves and Infect, but still suffers from the 'Well, you have to live to t4/t5 at least' problem w/ the last two.

Magus of the Moat is an interesting tutor target in theory, but if Elves combos off, they'll just wreck you with repeated DRS activations instead.

[iatee]

True - but only if they hit a full-draw-entire-deck combo before you hit a single Revoker/Ethersworn. Because those Deathrites do need a lot of instant/sorceries to eat up.

Another thing I have been thinking about lately - what would the mana need to look like to run 4 bolt in the sb? Would 4 bolt 4 stp be enough to have solid game 2/3s vs infect/elves? Sudden demise is obviously better vs elves but sometimes isn't vs infect (sorcery speed x spell vs. a daze deck). 4 bolt 4 stp post-board seems like it would be strong vs all fair creature decks (d+t, maverick, fish) and delver/drs/pyro decks.

[iatee]

I guess the bigger issue is keeping a plateau-unwastelanded as most of the aforementioned decks play wasteland and in the first batch you're siding out Maguses.

[TokenSoldier]

Magus of the Moat is an interesting tutor target in theory, but if Elves combos off, they'll just wreck you with repeated DRS activations instead.

Also seems slow when elves can get there before turn 4

[Deckerator]

Hey, have you some sideboarding tutorial against most of the field with the mono white list?

[from Cairo]

Another thing I have been thinking about lately - what would the mana need to look like to run 4 bolt in the sb? Would 4 bolt 4 stp be enough to have solid game 2/3s vs infect/elves? Sudden demise is obviously better vs elves but sometimes isn't vs infect (sorcery speed x spell vs. a daze deck). 4 bolt 4 stp post-board seems like it would be strong vs all fair creature decks (d+t, maverick, fish) and delver/drs/pyro decks.

For what it's worth Gut Shot does a lot of this without needing to do anything to the mana.

[Bosque]

For some of those decks Forked Bolt might be a good option as well as an extra removal spell in the board if needed. Comes on earlier than Sudden Demise, can hit more than one target sometimes.

[James718]

Do you guys like Vryn Wingmare in the R/W lists or should something else be in its spot? Do you guys think Mango should be in the list as well even though it runs 2 karakas?