I also always name Infernal. Against TES maybe it's B. Wish? Not sure.
-Matt
Yeah, that's the problem with TES - they run both, since the printing of Dark Petition each as a four-of.Originally Posted by sdematt
Interesting discussion.
I usually blindly name LED against storm because it is their best shot to kill you T1/T2.
Infernal Tutor is only third, after Dark Ritual.
The reason is twofold:
I have beaten ANT a few times just because my opponents could not empty their hands in due time to cast IT or reach threshold to generate massive mana with their Cabal Ritual
These sole reasons is why I always name LED against ANT / Dredge. Time is key.
If I remember well, Arian is a proponent of naming Dark Ritual first.
I would like to hear your arguments by any mean.
Still, I hate playing against Storm...Bad matchup.
Playing path after a vet goes off is good. I understand that. There will also be games that come up against midrange decks where your removal will be path and having to path a sfm or drs may be worse than stp. I understand your argument and am not saying path is strictly wrong but I do not think its as cut and dry as you say. Maybe not playing rhino I do not realize that getting ppl down to the point that a swords life gain is a big deal, idk.
The right amount of tops is probably 3. That is the amount I played when I was on punishing fire. Library is great, a card that can take over in some matchups. Deed nonbo is not the entire reason I do not recommend playing more than 1 its that I honestly think that top is a better card. Especially if you are playing truths or charm there is only so much life you are going to pay for cards. Top allows for multiple tops in a turn that can and will come up when you sandbag fetches. agree to disagree I guess.
The amount of life I pay for cards per game, on average, is likely over ten life. I typically recall with the earliest Sylvan trigger unless I hit sweet nothing. Rhino offsets and STP are real cards that help you out.
You close much MUCH faster with Path. I think the amount of times Path puts your opponent over the edge are far outweighed by the games where you need to close with Rhino drains, or the drains put your opponent in awkward situations where they can't attack/have to leave blockers/tramplers suck balls for them.
-Matt
If I was holding extirpate however, I'd name Infernal Tutor first.
Edit: It's been over a year since I've played Nic Fit (due to stupidities like DTT and TC). Here is my current list:
Creatures (18)
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Veteran Explorer
3 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Eternal Witness
1 Courser of Kruphix
3 Siege Rhino
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
Noncreature (19)
2 Garruk, Primal Hunter
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Sensei's Divinging Top
4 Abrupt Decay
3 Pernicious Deed
3 Abzan Charm
Lands (23)
1 Scrubland
3 Bayou
4 Windswept Heath
1 Savannah
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Taiga
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains
Sideboard (15):
3 Thoughtseize
2 Pyroblast
2 Extirpate
2 Slaughter Games
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Choke
1 Pithing Needle
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Blood moon
I went 2-1-1 last tournament beating RUG, UR Delver-Burn, drawing with Lands (g3 I had a blood moon in play) and losing to shardless. Shardless is usually a good matchup but losing to double hymn isn't surprising (My opening hand would have been an auto-win until it disappeared). The deck felt strong. Abzan Charm is a bit clunky... I'll continue to test it as it performed well despite it's high cost.
Went 2-1-1 tonight at another local shop.
Beat Lands in 3, somehow.
Beat Burning Wish Omni in 3 on a mull to 5 game 3 (kept a rec sage in my opener)
Drew with the knightfall deck. Couldn't find a threat in time game 3.
Lost to infect in 3. Get turn 2'd for 9 with double invgorate AFTER a blind hit one.
Board is currently:
1 Thrun
2 Obstinate Baloth
2 Containment Priest
2 Slaughter Games (finally got some use of it vs omni-tell)
2 Thoughtseize
1 Krosan Grip
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Engineered Plague
1 Golgari Charm
1 Dread of Night
maybe a third seize....maybe a blood moon or 2.....not sure
Current Build: Punishing Rhinos http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post927726
Hello,
Here is my latest BUG control Fit list.
I'd like to throw another wasteland. If anyone has any idea, please share.
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Wasteland
2 Bayou
2 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
3 Island
3 Polluted Delta
3 Verdant Catacombs
1 Grave Titan
2 Baleful Strix
2 Glen Elendra Archmage
2 Scavenging Ooze
2 Snapcaster Mage
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 Pernicious Deed
1 Golgari Charm
2 Abrupt Decay
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Painful Truths
1 Toxic Deluge
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Ponder
SB: 1 Thragtusk
SB: 1 Krosan Grip
SB: 1 Engineered Plague
SB: 1 Trinket Mage
SB: 1 Liliana of the Veil
SB: 1 Extirpate
SB: 1 Engineered Explosives
SB: 1 Flusterstorm
SB: 1 Vendilion Clique
SB: 1 Grafdigger's Cage
SB: 1 Nihil Spellbomb
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 3 Thoughtseize
Looking for a two drop abzan creature which preferably should be fetchable with green sun. I already got gaddock main as a one of. I'm thinking about strangleroot geist (because i love this creature) but maybe there is something with more utility or another hatebear. Mainly i am searching for a two drop with some noticable impact.
Thanks for help in advance.
Scavenging Ooze is always good post-deed. There's also qasali pridgemage but Reclamation Sage is better.
Wall of Blossoms? Scryb Ranger? Skyshroud War Beast seems amusing at times.
For punishing fire builds.....have we used kavu predator before?
Current Build: Punishing Rhinos http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post927726
Depends what you mean by Rec Sage being better. I think it's minor to be able to hold it until your turn, or just be useful as an exalted-giver until you need to blow it. Not being able to kill Inkmoth is huge in that matchup, and Qasali is better against Sneak.
Up to y'all.
-Matt
Yeah, someone will have to convince me why Rec Sage is better in a Junk build. Its the same amount of mana with either one to destroy something, and Rec Sage can only be done at sorcery speed. Qasali can sit on the board and destroy something at instant speed. Plus the Exalted trigger can be relevant.
The argument is that Rec sage will leave the body around. Where QP will leave play the sage will let you have a body that can be relevant with things like equips and therapy in the deck.
That being said I like pridemage a lot more.
It's also not entirely unreasonable to run both. Having an extra answer to early stoneforge equips, counterbalances, more ways to fuck with miracles' tops, attrition mirror sylvan library, etc. Sometimes you'll run into a matchup where you don't want either of them, but that's what sideboarding is for.
This new card is a very flexible Burning Wish target for e.g. a Punishing Fit list. Care to destroy Young Pyromancer, Deathrite Shaman, a hoard of tokens and Liliana? Or just go for a Jace and a Batterskull?
A bit hard with RRR in the cost when coupled with Burning Wish, and it may turn out to be too expensive to be a viable option. It can be compared to Kolaghan's Command which can also bolt and kill artifacts among other things, but in instant speed which is a huge deal in many matchups (thinking of Death and Taxes where you need to cast it in response to Rishadan Port activations). I think I'll get one just to try it anyway.
Edit: I thought I had it yesterday but at least now the image is appearing.
Last edited by pettdan; 11-03-2015 at 11:03 AM.
So I've been playing 4 rhino fit and I have came to some conclusions:
Moar Skillerhino, moar better
Gaddock is main board. Five-ever.
3 vet, 3 Drs seems right.
Shard less is rough especially now they run 4 wastes.
Ajani, mentor could be the card we need. Not the card we deserve.
Nightmare might just be too cut especially when the meta is quick and full of decay.
2 deed could be my next try.
2 path seems right.
cat wizard over Rekt em elf.
Are you suggesting they can Decay the Recurring Nightmare?
Cute*
I am saying that many times, playing it and passing is what I'm left doing. It makes it vulnerable. I'm gonna cut nightmare and look at other options. Most importantly, Dragonlord dromoka. More than likely a sigarda as well.
I don't think the meta is slow enough for us to hop on the night(mare) train. ;)
My sideboard is also like 13/15 for combo which is more than likely wrong.
3 slaughter
3 surgical
3 duress
2 hymn
1 chains
1 dryad militant
1 golgari charm
1 cant remember.
Junk fit with a taiga 3 Drs, mind you.
Just 3-1'd legacy daily MTGO with Skillerhino Fit
2 path
4 therapy
3 vet
3 DRS
2 top
1 teeg
1 pridemage
1 scooz
3 abrupt decay
3 deed
1 e-wit
1 pulse
4 Skillerhino
1 garruk, primal
1 Ajani, mentor
1 sigarda
1 thragtusk
1 DL dromoka
4 GSZ
4 windswept
2 wooded
1 delta
2 bayou
2 savannah
1 scrub
1 Taiga
3 forest
2 plains
2 swamp
1 karakas
1 volrath
SB:
3 surgical
3 Duress
3 slaughter games
2 carpet
1 dryad militant
1 golgari charm
1 thrun
1 chains
2-0 Maverick with depths
Not much to say regarding this. I'm the bigger brother and the parents arent home.
Actually brought nothing in. Perfect 60.
1-2 ANT
Game 1 i rip GSZ off the top for teeg, Sheep42 gets salty and says my gg was harassment. I thought it was ironic.
Game 2 i die turn 3, my turn 2.
Game 3 he turn 2s me through a duress.
2-0 Rug Delver
Game 1 he did rug delver stuff and then lost to a DL dromoka . Side note: HAHAHAHAHAHA
Game 2 Carpet catches force. deed gets goyf delver. rhino and ajani clean house.
2-0 Miracles (this was abysmal, my opponent wasn't slow but good god was the match painful)
Game 1 took for all but 5 minutes of my clock. so much deed and entreat posturing. finally drs widdled him down and then he didn't have the counter for a Skillerhino to deal the final 3. I can't lie, it felt good.
Game 2 I had to win in 5 minutes. Games on terminus into Skillerhino into Skillerhino.
Good enough for 3-1
Changes?
SB: charm never came in. not sure what else can go in the board.
MB: Not sure. I know its not perfect but I do not know what to change.
PS: Cabal Therapy is the best discard spell in magic. 4 or go play DnT.
Im gonna run it back next chance I get and think about possible changes
The deck felt good and does hilarious things. I beat an opponent tonight who cast 4 brainstorm and 4 ponder, i still won. Ban Skillerhino?
Let me know if you have any criticisms or questions.
Last edited by Ricardio; 11-04-2015 at 11:28 AM.
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