[OGW] Oath of the Gatewatch spoilers thread

[Gheizen64]

Green pseudo cantrip?



UR Manland

Manland is actively terrible. Oath of Nissa is probably playable in something, enchantress?

[Bed Decks Palyer]

With this amount of manlands, soon the 43 Lands will be possible in Modern.

[The Crow's Eye]

The UR manland is Calcite Sapper without the upside.

[iamajellydonut]

With this amount of manlands, soon the 43 Lands will be possible in Modern.

Unless I miss my count, you should be able to have a competitive 84 Manland Modern deck by the end of this set.

Edit: 140 Manland Modern if the definition is expanded, and 144 Manland Modern if you choose to go for the Battle of Wits alt win-con.

[evanmartyr]

Oath of Nissa is pretty terrible in Enchantress...can't find enchantments. I suppose it finds lands, and then fixes your mana for all those planeswalkers it runs

I don't think the manland is all that bad. I wish it weren't 4 to activate, but it can represent a 5 turn clock that dodges bolt.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Oath of Nissa is pretty terrible in Enchantress...can't find enchantments. I suppose it finds lands, and then fixes your mana for all those planeswalkers it runs

Maybe in Maverick? Could even use Flickerwisp to flicker it for value. Just to maximize the cuteness: Play this and JTMS in Maverick.

[rufus]

Maybe in Maverick? Could even use Flickerwisp to flicker it for value. Just to maximize the cuteness: Play this and JTMS in Maverick.

It's not terrible with Riptide Chimera either. Even so, there really aren't any planeswalkers that care about enchanments (yet).

[Gheizen64]

Maybe tron too, Find all the things you need and can also be a pseudo - fixer for some more walkers

[DLifshitz]

Maybe tron too, Find all the things you need and can also be a pseudo - fixer for some more walkers

There are better options available for most Legacy and Modern decks that might want to play it: Mirri's Guile, Sylvan Library, Ancient Stirrings. I'm thinking maybe it could be a 1-2 of in Gx Devotion, but even then, it seems very iffy...

[HdH_Cthulhu]

WoW the UR manland is really terrible! It cost the same as the gr to activate and after the first swing its already strictly worse!

Ok i just compared the best with the worst in the cycle but still woha...

[Dice_Box]

If damage still went in the stack that land would be sweet. But it don't so it ain't. All the Manlands from this set feel underpowered. I mean now I really have to debate if the R/B land is the worst where at one point all agreed it was.

[iamajellydonut]

There are better options available for most Legacy and Modern decks that might want to play it: Mirri's Guile, Sylvan Library, Ancient Stirrings. I'm thinking maybe it could be a 1-2 of in Gx Devotion, but even then, it seems very iffy...

Yeah, but it would help to make Modern more interesting. The only other universal "one drops" (aside from reactive pieces) in Modern are Serum Visions, Noble Hierarch, and Thoughtseize/Inquisition. Which is pretty fucking sad. inb4 it gets banned because its cmc isn't ridiculous.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

If damage still went in the stack that land would be sweet. But it don't so it ain't. All the Manlands from this set feel underpowered. I mean now I really have to debate if the R/B land is the worst where at one point all agreed it was.

Or if it had first strike... but nah cant print that on a red manland!

[iatee]

Yeah, but it would help to make Modern more interesting. The only other universal "one drops" (aside from reactive pieces) in Modern are Serum Visions, Noble Hierarch, and Thoughtseize/Inquisition. Which is pretty fucking sad. inb4 it gets banned because its cmc isn't ridiculous.

You're missing Ancient Stirrings, which is probably secretly the best cantrip in Modern.

[Aggro_zombies]

If damage still went in the stack that land would be sweet. But it don't so it ain't. All the Manlands from this set feel underpowered. I mean now I really have to debate if the R/B land is the worst where at one point all agreed it was.

I was just commenting on this on another Magic site. I think it's either because they felt the original cycle was too strong or because BFZ is supposed to be underpowered to rebalance Standard, so these have to be below-par to help with that. It could be a bit of both, honestly.

Or if it had first strike... but nah cant print that on a red manland!

The red-white one deals both first strike and regular combat damage.

EDIT: Also, UR is the one color combination that least needs a good manland. It's already one of the best color pairs in multiple formats: various Jeskai builds in Standard; Grixis, Twin, and various Tier II decks like Scapeshift in Modern; Grixis, Jeskai, and splashes in Miracles in Legacy; and Mentor in Vintage. Not that the latter two formats would seriously consider playing most manlands in the first place, but still.

[rufus]

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The red-white one deals both first strike and regular combat damage.
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I wonder how good that is with Noyan Dar or awaken stuff.

[Darkenslight]

I wonder how good that is with Noyan Dar or awaken stuff.

I prefer pairing it with trample and deathtouch, m'self.

But yes, there's likely to be a sick Jetski Awakening deck around, with the new Land-dude trample-giver.

[Capt4in]

I was just commenting on this on another Magic site. I think it's either because they felt the original cycle was too strong or because BFZ is supposed to be underpowered to rebalance Standard, so these have to be below-par to help with that. It could be a bit of both, honestly.

I've seen it thrown around that they stated that these manlands had to be weaker because they didn't want them to be insane with Awaken. Can't provide a source on that though.

[rufus]

I've seen it thrown around that they stated that these manlands had to be weaker because they didn't want them to be insane with Awaken. Can't provide a source on that though.

I think it's one of those things where it ends up being a much bigger issue in limited than constructed formats.

[Dice_Box]

It's something interesting.