[Primer/Deck] Nic Fit

[rubblekill]

I have read the two posts above this one, I will post my sb and give my impressions in 2hrs when I'll be back at home. Now I'm at work, and typing a longer post on the phone is awful

[Bobmans]

My current SB is in my sig, but if DRS would be main i'd run;
2 Carpet
3 Thoughtseize
2 Surgical
2 G. Charm
1 Peedle
2 Cannonist
1 Teeg
1 QPM
1 Garruk, R

[uncletiggy]

sb
2 ts
2 needle
2 cannonist
1 e. plague
1 grip
1 decay
1 teeg
1 militant
1 garruk ph
3 flex

just moved the 2 slaughter games md over the 2 painful truths to see if i could make up some ground in poor matchups while maintaining positive fair matchups.

plusing garruk to apply serious pressure is underrated.

[rubblekill]

Of course every sideboard reflects the metagame in which we play, so keep in mind that I play online and thus I want to be prepared against Miracles, Shardless and Storm.

-Sb cards that are a must and I'm always playing in the board (12)-
2 canonist
2 surgical
3 duress (there should be some number of thoughtseizes here, but I play duress because of budget reasons)
1 grip
1 teeg
2 slaughter games (I hate to play a taiga only for this card, but it is a necessary evil against terminus and/or JTMS)
1 planeswalker - I keep changing between Elspeth KE and Garruk PH, both have been great. I haven't figured out whether I should play 2 pws or not.

-Sb cards that "come and go" and I have yet to decide if they are here to stay or not-
a. deluge (awesome card, but do I even need it? We are supposed to be good already against delvers, and against goys deeds are better. Good against elves, d&t which is rare online, and delver)

b. giant solifuge - ok this is getting ridiculous. This card is ONLY for miracles (JTMS) and represents a surprise factor against opponents that think that a JTMS on an empty board is 100% safe. Still testing but he has done its job decently so far; but I hate that outside the miracles mu this is basically a wasted sb slot.

c. 1 other planeswalker - Read above

d. baneslayer angel - against shardless, but the fact that it dies to Liliana makes me think that Sigarda n. 2 is probably better.

e. thrun - Pretty much only for miracles, it does nothing when he lands on the ground, and this is the reason I'm testing solifuge over thrun at the moment.

At the moment I'm adding to the former 12 cards: BSA, Deluge and Giant Solifuge.

Notable exclusions:
Needle: good and versatile card but it is useless against storm and Shardless (needle gets ALWAYS decayed in the grindy long games where they lands planeswalkers. And needle would be needed here exactly to combat the walkers). Against miracles, unless we have it in the opener, it's going to get counterbalance'd (feelsbadman) and its a huge nonbo with deed (a card that i wanna land on the field asap because it answers every non JTMS threat they land).
Tsunami/choke: I love the effect but ultimately I have found that playing a creature or a PW is just better to close games.
QPM: why would I run this guy when I play 4 decays and 3 deeds in the main and a grip in the side?
Carpet: this card has been very good in the past, but it's not THAT great against miracles and shardless so I'd rather play cards that are good in these mus.

[Echelon]

Up until now we've accumulated the following:

3 Duress
3 Carpet of Flowers
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Golgari Charm
2 Pithing Needle
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Rest in Peace
1 Qasali Pridemage

2 Slaughter Games
2 Pithing Needle
3 Thoughtseize
2 Krosan Grip
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Golgari Charm
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Elspeth/Garruk/Sigarda #2
1 Gaddock Teeg

2 Carpet of Flowers
3 Thoughtseize
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Golgari Charm
1 Pithing Needle
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Garruk, Relentless

2 Thoughtseize
2 Pithing Needle
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Engineered Plague
1 Krosan Grip
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Dryad Militant
1 Garruk Primal Hunter
3 flex

2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Surgical Extraction
3 Duress (there should be some number of thoughtseizes here, but I play duress because of budget reasons)
1 Krosan Grip
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Slaughter Games (I hate to play a taiga only for this card, but it is a necessary evil against terminus and/or JTMS)
1 planeswalker - I keep changing between Elspeth KE and Garruk PH, both have been great. I haven't figured out whether I should play 2 pws or not.

Looking at these sideboards it seems there's quite some overlap. As far as mine concerns, it needs 2 Canonists. Seemingly the SB core looks somewhat like this:
2/3 Duress/Thoughtseize
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Ethersworn Canonist

Furthermore, Pithing Needle, Krosan Grip and Surgical Extraction seem to be considered solid choices.

[rubblekill]

Ricardio are you currently playing this configuration?
3 duress
2 surgical
2 ethersworn
1 teeg
1 thragtusk
1 garruk relentless
1 needle
1 ajani mentor
2 carpet
1 thalia

[Jain_Mor]

Here's my generally locked in pieces that have earned their spot:

2 Needle
1 Teeg
1 Reclamation Sage
3 Thoughtseize
2 Toxic Deluge
2 Big impact spells for midrange / control (Tsunami, PW etc)
2 Graveyard hate
2 Flexy depending on what I want to fight

Currently looks like this:
2 Needle
1 Dryad Militant
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Rec Sage
2 Surgical Extraction
4 Thoughtsieze
2 Toxic Deluge
1 Garruk PH
1 Ob Nix, Reignited

[Warden]

My SB skews towards anti-blue. This past month I dealt with combo, so I made proper adjustments. This is my current default:
2 carpet
2 choke
1 Teeg #2
2 slaughter
2 surgical
4 anti-combo pkg (TS, Canonist, Thalia)
2 flex (currently Toxic, QPM, Garruk Relentless)

*playing 3 surgicals was great. Some matchups it really makes a difference. I also strongly consider Krosan Grip, Leyline of Sanctity (if burn and storm and whatnot are a big % of the room), and Pithing Needle. Again, a SB should reflect your meta -- not what the Internet tells you.

Last weekend also taught me a lot about my playstyle and tendencies with the deck. I will be tuning my list accordingly.

[Echelon]

So 2/3 discard & a Gaddock Teeg as solid core it is.

Usually complemented by 2 Ethersworn Canonist & 2 Surgical Extraction.

Other often seen cards:
1/2 Pithing Needle
1/2 sweepers (Golgari Charm and/or Toxic Deluge)
1 random planeswalker

I agree on a SB needing to fit your personal meta, but it's nice to see what other people run to improve certain MUs. It's shown me that I really need a couple of Canonists and that I need to stop bitching about GSZ when wanting to run a creature in my SB.

When looking at what other people run, the overlapping part entirely applies to the same MUs I'm having trouble with. It's funny to see that even though we don't discuss it much, there is a certain set of cards we all seem to consider as the best means to improve those MUs.

[Ricardio]

Ricardio are you currently playing this configuration?
3 duress
2 surgical
2 ethersworn
1 teeg
1 thragtusk
1 garruk relentless
1 needle
1 ajani mentor
2 carpet
1 thalia

I cut the Ajani for toxic deluge.
the core for me is:
3 duress
2 surgical
2 canonist
1 teeg
2 carpet

so basically 5 flex slots.
I've been trying without slaughter games and I think I may go back to 2/3 in the sb bc I fkn hate miracles.

[Echelon]

What I'm wondering though... How do the Junk pilots reliably find R for Slaughter Games? GSZ, DRS & Carpets seem a bit unreliable.

Do people also run a Taiga in the SB..?

[Ricardio]

What I'm wondering though... How do the Junk pilots reliably find R for Slaughter Games? GSZ, DRS & Carpets seem a bit unreliable.

Do people also run a Taiga in the SB..?

Everyone runs a taiga and about 2 drs as sources for the red. I have never had an issue getting red to cast it. the matchups you are bringin it in, they don't play wasteland.

[rubblekill]

I cut the Ajani for toxic deluge.
the core for me is:
3 duress
2 surgical
2 canonist
1 teeg
2 carpet

so basically 5 flex slots.
I've been trying without slaughter games and I think I may go back to 2/3 in the sb bc I fkn hate miracles.

Why cut Ajani? Because md nissa fills his void?
Nice to see that sb deluge is a thing.
4cmc garruk seems worse than elspeth

[Ricardio]

Why cut Ajani? Because md nissa fills his void?
Nice to see that sb deluge is a thing.
4cmc garruk seems worse than elspeth

Missing on draw with him makes me sad. there are better options.

Deluge is a pseudo-4th deed. unstiflable.

G compared to WW is huge. pumping out 2/2s and possible removal is great. Plus if he flips, you can tutor up rhinos.

[rubblekill]

Missing on draw with him makes me sad. there are better options.

Deluge is a pseudo-4th deed. unstiflable.

G compared to WW is huge. pumping out 2/2s and possible removal is great. Plus if he flips, you can tutor up rhinos.

WW is ok against deck that do no play wasteland. And she makes the damn thing fly like a unicorn

[Ricardio]

WW is ok against deck that do no play wasteland. And she makes the damn thing fly like a unicorn

if it flies, its a horned Pegasus, not a unicorn. damn it, man, get the naming right!

Ya, Im just referring to vet explorer triggers. I much more a fan of garruk because he has 5 abilities and Elspeth only has 2(her ult isn't gonna happen)

[Arianrhod]

//sb
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Aven Mindcensor
2 Thoughtseize
3 Slaughter Games
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Golgari Charm
1 Tsunami
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Engineered Plague
1 Krosan Grip

//sb
3 Carpet of Flowers
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Aven Mindcensor
1 Thoughtseize
2 Slaughter Games
1 Nether Void
1 Golgari Charm
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Krosan Grip

sb::
2 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Thoughtseize
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Carpet of Flowers
2 Aven Mindcensor
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Krosan Grip
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Umezawa's Jitte

sb::
2 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Thoughtseize
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Carpet of Flowers
2 Aven Mindcensor
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Krosan Grip
2 Baneslayer Angel

Note that the sideboard with 2 SFM/Jitte also had a maindeck Batterskull, not maindeck SFM though.

Here's four different white sideboards that I've run at various points. #4 on the list was for a Thune version. Shardless actually can't really beat Baneslayer -- a good way to beat Shardless in general is to take to the skies with large lifelinking things. Thune can be awkward vs them at times because it trades with Baleful Strix, whereas Baneslayer just eats it. Note that Shardless was especially enormous at the point in time when this sideboard was made. The Baneslayers also gave me extra "can't beat this" to Carpet into vs Delver.

Otherwise, there's a fair bit of overlap in my sideboards. And as Ricardio said, 2 DRS + Taiga maindeck is fine to support Slaughters. Slaughters are for non-wasteland matchups, so it doesn't really matter, and I've never had the Taiga hurt me in g1 scenarios. In fact, sometimes it's a lightning rod for Wasteland, which I'm perfectly fine with since it's a nonbasic Forest vs Wasteland matchups. Wasteland players look at a pile of Bayou/Savannahs/Forest/Plains/Swamps and are like, oh, he only has one red source, so we'll hit that! Thanks guy.

I've literally never had a problem with double white, for those worried about that. You run 2x Plains, 2x Savannah, 1x Scrubland, and sometimes a Karakas. That's plenty of white sources.

[Arianrhod]

if it flies, its a horned Pegasus, not a unicorn. damn it, man, get the naming right!

Ya, Im just referring to vet explorer triggers. I much more a fan of garruk because he has 5 abilities and Elspeth only has 2(her ult isn't gonna happen)

One note about this: Elspeth is much, much better than Garruk is at killing planeswalkers. Garruk R is certainly a fine gentleman...I'm quite fond of running him, especially alongside Master of the Wild Hunt, but Elspeth has her place, as well.

[Ricardio]

One note about this: Elspeth is much, much better than Garruk is at killing planeswalkers. Garruk R is certainly a fine gentleman...I'm quite fond of running him, especially alongside Master of the Wild Hunt, but Elspeth has her place, as well.

my 4 spot is already full maindeck with rhino and meren so no master sadly.

ALSO: thune is 23 tix and dollars. wut dafuq

[Arianrhod]

my 4 spot is already full maindeck with rhino and meren so no master sadly.

ALSO: thune is 23 tix and dollars. wut dafuq

Modern. There's a Chord variant that's been playing her, I believe. When Pod was around, they only needed 1 copy so it kept her price pretty well in check. Now that they need 4, it's been kind of stupid.