[Primer/Deck] Nic Fit

[Jain_Mor]

So went 4-1 in my first league event and got a qualifying point for my troubles (what do they do? does it involve more legacy?).
Lost to mulligans against shardless, then beating bug nic fit, merfolk (not the streamer lol), ub reanimator and shardless.

Garruk, PH is a house, and has drawn me many cards and made me many beasts. He's taking my Tsunami/grindy blue sideboard slot now. Time to jump in again, here's my current testing list for those that care (trying truths instead of tops and hallowed moonlight in side):

4 GSun
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Vet
1 Shaman
1 Teeg
1 Scooze
1 E Wit
1 Meren
2 Rhino
1 Sigarda

3 SFM
1 Jitte
1 SoFaI
1 BSK

4 Therapy
2 Diabolic Intent
3 Path to Exile
1 Abrupt Decay
3 Pernicious Deed
1 Abzan Charm
2 Painful Truths

4 Verdant
4 Windswept
2 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
2 Forest
2 Swamp
1 Plains
1 Karakas
2 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's

SB:
2 Needle
2 Surg Ext
3 Thoughtsieze
2 Toxic Deluge
2 Hallowed Moonlight
1 Dryad Militant
1 Reclamation Sage
2 Garruk, PH

(The list i ran in the league was main -1 tower -1 rhino -2 truths +1 scrubland +1 vindicate +2 top. SB -2 hallowed +1 duress +1 decay)

[Warden]

If I ran Jund Nic Fit, I'd need to find a way to replace PTE/STP + Sigarda. If we're making silly recommendations/ideas, I'm surprised nobody brought up Chaos Warp (removal of things) and Bloodbraid Elf. Two cards that can pack a punch (especially if BBE chains into Warp/Liliana). Just an idea to toss out there.

[Bobmans]

Cascade into removal with no target suc.
Cascade into GSZ suc.
GSZ into BBE does not Cascade.
Chaos Warp fights the 3 cmc removal. We have Kommand, Pulse and Krosan Grip aswell.
Liliana is Junds PtE in terms of reach.
There is no R replacement for Sigarda :-(

[Echelon]

... and to the 1 arbor that surprise-blocked the smasher together with 1 rhino; ...

ARBOR, BITCHES!

You sir just made my day!

[Ricardio]

So I had a few times last night were I needed something huge to do so I added DLD and skeletal scrying back in. I feel like the way I play the deck, I usually have too much mana

[rubblekill]

So I had a few times last night were I needed something huge to do so I added DLD and skeletal scrying back in. I feel like the way I play the deck, I usually have too much mana

DLD and monger seem better now on modo since I am seeing less stp/karakas than usual, is this a false impression of mine or is it due to the eldrazis?

[Ricardio]

DLD and monger seem better now on modo since I am seeing less stp/karakas than usual, is this a false impression of mine or is it due to the eldrazis?

Monger doesn't seem that good imho. In almost all situations I would rather have tusk or sigarda and DLD gives me an end all fatty that is bigger than all their stuff and races like no other. Scrying should allow for ALL THE CARDS TO BE DRAWN. They were snapped off decisions, I am always looking for better options. 1-0 in league right now. beat ub reanimator, t1 drs g2/g3

[rubblekill]

Monger doesn't seem that good imho. In almost all situations I would rather have tusk or sigarda and DLD gives me an end all fatty that is bigger than all their stuff and races like no other. Scrying should allow for ALL THE CARDS TO BE DRAWN. They were snapped off decisions, I am always looking for better options. 1-0 in league right now. beat ub reanimator, t1 drs g2/g3

I agree that nothing is better than the queen herself Mrs Sigarda, and scrying has been the nuts in the card draw slot. DLD seems fine because I am seeing less W around.
I have to disagree on tusk. He is only better against miracles imho, life is irrelevant because we rock 3-4 damned rhinos already and 3 toughness against 6 of the monger is the problem. Monger stalls and eats goyfs for dinner, and does the same against eldrazis. All for the same cost of the tusk.

Right now I think we want to be playing DLD or (and?) monger. Tusk is the worst one imo.

[Tom4ik]

As much as I would love for Spiritmonger to be a thing again (flashbacks to old extended days) its not good. There is absolutely no reason you want that card in the deck. That card doesnt provide any benefit against aggro decks (they just go wide) nor control decks (stp and terminus, hell even jace/lily). Against midrange decks its a big body but neither ability is relevant so if you just want something big go grab that 5 mana 8/8 or whatever they have printed now.

For 5 mana gsz targets you have sigarda and tusk. If you are playing punishing fire 1-2 tusks is all you want at 5 mana anyways.

[sdematt]

As much as I would love for Spiritmonger to be a thing again (flashbacks to old extended days) its not good. There is absolutely no reason you want that card in the deck. That card doesnt provide any benefit against aggro decks (they just go wide) nor control decks (stp and terminus, hell even jace/lily). Against midrange decks its a big body but neither ability is relevant so if you just want something big go grab that 5 mana 8/8 or whatever they have printed now.

For 5 mana gsz targets you have sigarda and tusk. If you are playing punishing fire 1-2 tusks is all you want at 5 mana anyways.

Literally just woke up - DLD?

[Tom4ik]

DLD? That is a 6 drop creature creature has actual relevant abilities against both aggro and combo in addition to being good in midrange grind fests. I am also of the opinion that the deck does not need a 6 drop creature but I can understand the allure and as far as 6 cmc bros go that DLD is pretty good. I would still think most lists would get better milage out of a prime time but ehhh.

[Ricardio]

Literally just woke up - DLD?

Dragonlord Dromoka. Get with the times, Matt. Acronyms are totes in. Get on the train or get left behind, bro.

[Bobmans]

Aargh, haha. We are going in circles again. I was just happy with my JPN Spiritmonger and now i am in doubt again....
Skeletal Scying that much of an addition next to?;
1 Nissa
2 Pruths
3 SDT
I did cut Courser so i can have 2 MD DRS. I don't like it, but choices..

[Ricardio]

Aargh, haha. We are going in circles again. I was just happy with my JPN Spiritmonger and now i am in doubt again....
Skeletal Scying that much of an addition next to?;
1 Nissa
2 Pruths
3 SDT
I did cut Courser so i can have 2 MD DRS. I don't like it, but choices..

I have 2 SDT, 3 pruth and 1 skeletal. Nissa died to pfire 5 too many times. Courser giving up info is too much for me, not to mention on mtgo they take FOREVER TO document what you are drawing.

[Bobmans]

I have 2 SDT, 3 pruth and 1 skeletal. Nissa died to pfire 5 too many times. Courser giving up info is too much for me, not to mention on mtgo they take FOREVER TO document what you are drawing.

While i ditched Courser, i am staying on Nissa. The card is a house and drags you thru to late-game. You need to plan to play it at a board that allows her to live, but that is the faith of every planeswalker. Also you can trick bait removal with an untapped fetchland. If they try to target it, then crack the fetch in response. She transforms and the removal lost its target.
That said, Courser was a tad to slow for the way this deck is now. Deathrite Shaman is not desirable in every match-up, but at least he assists in mana, life, attrition and is solid vs a part of our combo MU's. And he is an potential T1 play. I keep going back and forth with this card.

[tescrin]

why would you use dragonlord over Primetime, Sigarda, Grave Titan, etc..? Lifelink doesn't seem worth it. Not countering it isn't that relevant unless you're running a bunch of copies (GSZ) and casting spells only on their turn doesn't seem that important IMO.

I'd love to hear about it though. Still. primetime getting you 2 cards *now* or Grave giving you 2 zombos now seems better.

[Bobmans]

why would you use dragonlord over Primetime, Sigarda, Grave Titan, etc..? Lifelink doesn't seem worth it. Not countering it isn't that relevant unless you're running a bunch of copies (GSZ) and casting spells only on their turn doesn't seem that important IMO.

I'd love to hear about it though. Still. primetime getting you 2 cards *now* or Grave giving you 2 zombos now seems better.

For me, the impact PrimeTime has on games is fairly low (at least from my experiance). Games where your struggling to stay in the match getting PrimeTime and more lands did way to little for a 6/7 mana investment. If i'd play 2 towers then PrimeTime fetching those might be a consideration if you can loop Thragtusk, Eternal Witness or Siege Rhino. But that is that. Often you indeed want some impact NOW, just like you say. DLD puts a giant flying wall with Lifelink, which is/can be very much relevant. I hear people argue that we already run 4 Rhino's, but somehow i felt that it misses that 1 or 2 extra points of lifegain. Thragtusk would make perfect sense in that regard, if it weren't for the so so body it provides. Talking about Grave Titan, yes it is brutal. But not green. Sun Titan is also a solid consideration since it has potential to fully lock-out a board with Eternal Witness or Pernicious Deed. But again not green.
Sigarda is obviously the best high CMC you'd want and it is often enough. But sometimes it isn't. We have yet to find the perfect 6 drop and DLD makes a solid spot and so do Grave Titan, Sun Titan and Primeval Titan. All fine but not airtight. Those have all pros and cons.

[tescrin]

For me, the impact PrimeTime has on games is fairly low (at least from my experiance). Games where your struggling to stay in the match getting PrimeTime and more lands did way to little for a 6/7 mana investment. If i'd play 2 towers then PrimeTime fetching those might be a consideration if you can loop Thragtusk, Eternal Witness or Siege Rhino. But that is that. Often you indeed want some impact NOW, just like you say.

When I ran Primetime I ran some Manlands as well though; allowing me to impact the board quite well. Add a Maze of Ith, Karakas, and similar; and you have some pretty brutal fetches when he lands. He can just grab Maze + Manland and swing away. That's stalling power and CA that can't just be Plowed/Lily'd/Jaced/etc. Maze + Man + Primetime is two beaters and a staller (and certainly you could get two men, or other variations.)

It sometimes didn't quite work right; but I was a much worse legacy player the last time I was playing nic fit lol.

[Ricardio]

When I ran Primetime I ran some Manlands as well though; allowing me to impact the board quite well. Add a Maze of Ith, Karakas, and similar; and you have some pretty brutal fetches when he lands. He can just grab Maze + Manland and swing away. That's stalling power and CA that can't just be Plowed/Lily'd/Jaced/etc. Maze + Man + Primetime is two beaters and a staller (and certainly you could get two men, or other variations.)

It sometimes didn't quite work right; but I was a much worse legacy player the last time I was playing nic fit lol.

it seems like an interesting enough idea and as much of a prime time fan boy I am, I do not think he is the correct 6 cmc creature for the junk rhino fit list.

Albeit DLD dies to STP and gets bounced into oblivion by karakas, I believe it to be a better card quality for what we want to do and does not require us to change up our land based on single 6 drop we play.

[Tom4ik]

Some people have been playing a punishing fire list with white. Here Prime time is better than any other 6 drop. Not only does he search up groves but the engine is mana intensive anyways so getting land in play is a big deal.

If i was on a strict junk version I would probably play a stirring wildwood and stronghold/tower for the main targets. Honestly I would probably put 2 horizon canopy in the deck too. That allows a late game titan/gsz to tutor up a 6/6 that also draws 2.