Hey guys
What do you think about 1 pithing Needle in the Sideboard of Sneak Show against decks like miracle, shards (liliana, jace), Eldrazi (Endbringer, Displacer), and random stuff ???
At the moment I´m thinking about running 1 Fire/Ice & 1 Izzet Charm in the Maindeck as good allround tools
greetings Elmar ;)
Hello everyone,
I'm new to the forum yet I've been lurking here for tips and tricks for a while now. I've been play testing with a few friends in preparation for GP Columbus and usually doing fairly well (with the exception of Death and Taxes which is just awful).
My list is pretty stock with the flex slots being 2x Spell Pierce, 3x Preordain, 3x Gitaxian Probe, and 1x Flusterstorm. I'm debating trying the 2 Omniscience build as well to see how I like that (cutting 1 probe and 1 preordain).
I'm still in the midst of completing my sideboard currently. I always feel like I'm diluting the combo when sideboarding (potentially overboarding) and I'm also never sure what to take out. My sideboard will ideally end up also being pretty stock until I do more playtesting. I was wondering if someone happened to have a more up to date guide to sideboarding. And also, is it worthwhile to pack more hate for DnT via Sulfur Elemental?
Thanks in advance
JPA listed some sideboarding tips about 8 pages before.Originally Posted by Mantis29
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post919456
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post919105
Your "flex 9 slots" are all 1CMC spells. That may suffer a very painful Chalice deck matchup.
Last edited by Tokugawa; 03-19-2016 at 10:26 PM.
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it's great against Karakas and rishadan port, I would recommend at least 1, I've been thinking of upping to 2 in my sb.Hey guys
What do you think about 1 pithing Needle in the Sideboard of Sneak Show against decks like miracle, shards (liliana, jace), Eldrazi (Endbringer, Displacer), and random stuff ???
At the moment I´m thinking about running 1 Fire/Ice & 1 Izzet Charm in the Maindeck as good allround tools
greetings Elmar ;)
Team FireBrothers
IMO Fire//Ice is better than Izzet Charm.
Only thing that Izzet Charm could provide while Fire//Ice not, is "Spell pierce", but we already have 3+ Spell pierce. UR cannot be paid by sol-lands is also a possible problem.
I hear they got twisters miles wide in the Midwest.
Sorry, I should of been more specific, I was commenting about the pithing needle, not izzet / fire ice.
Team FireBrothers
thx guys for the fast answers :)
But don't forget that you can loot with izzet charm and sometimes this effect could be the best, if you are searching for one combo piece if it's creature oder the other part.
On Saturday I have a legacytournament in my city and our meta is very overloaded with grixis delver, shardless bug,eldrazi, burn,miracle,lands,sneak show and ant. The rest is random stuff :p
So I came to this list:
Main(60):
4 Emrakul,the Aeons Torn
4 Griselbrand
1 Fire/Ice
1 Izzet Charm
3 Spell Pierce
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
1 Preordain
3 Gitaxian Probe
4 Ponder
4 Show and Tell
4 Sneak Attack
4 Lotus Petal
1 Polluted Delta
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Flooded Strand
3 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
1 Mountain
3 Island
3 Volcanic Island
4 Scalding Tarn
Sb(15):
2 Defense Grid
2 Blood Moon
2 Kozilek's Return
2 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Through The Breach
1 Pithing Needle
1 Red Elemental Blast
2 Flusterstorm
1 Wipe Away
I also made sideboard plans for this list against 35 decks. If somebody has an interest on them let me know.
Greetz :)
Defense Grid is not belong to 2016 metagame. Cut them plz.
I hear they got twisters miles wide in the Midwest.
Why should i cut one of the best sb cards I can play in a deck like sneak show ?
But it depends on the meta. In a meta with no blue decks or few counterdecks you have to cut grid.
I am not a fan of boseju. Because atm each good blue deck instead of miracle are runnig wasteland :(
Is the abundance of miracles what is stopping this deck from being closer to a tier 1 deck or are there other factors and how do we fight these other decks?
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RUG delver has fallen out of the radar now, Grixis and BUG delver are most popular tempo decks. They use discards against combo, and defense grid only hurts yourself.
Most parts of shardless BUG already work at sorcery speed.
Miracle also does not care about defense grid.
I hear they got twisters miles wide in the Midwest.
Hey ;)
I absolutely agree with your statements about Defense Grid. RUG is atm unplayable I think.
With Grixis Delver oder Grixis Pyromancer (Noah Walker) Build the only discard is cabal therapy, the rest are counter backup so in my opionion against this Mu Defense Grid is very great.
Against BUG delver it depends on the list your opponent is playing. It gives the list with stifle & pierce with you need Defense Grid, against the version with Thoughtseize & Hymn you obvious don`t want to bring in defense grid, so it will be better for your opponent then for us haha :P
Against a deck like Shardless Bug I would never ever board in Defense Grid, because they only have 4 force and maybe 2 fluster the rest is fucking discard and other ugly stuff like needle or liliana of the Veil and so on :(
For me Defense Grid ist unbelievable strong against Miracle Decks.
If it resolves you win in 80% of the games.
But against Miracle boseju can be absolutely finisher i guess ;)
In the other Mu like bug delver, grixis delver i don´t like boseju. But it depends on the individual play style of the player himself.
But in if you a have meta in a few months where eldrazi is overloaded & miracle, which is not the fact atm in my city i would bring in 1 Needle more and 1 boseju.
greetings ;)
I sent you a pmthx guys for the fast answers :)
But don't forget that you can loot with izzet charm and sometimes this effect could be the best, if you are searching for one combo piece if it's creature oder the other part.
On Saturday I have a legacytournament in my city and our meta is very overloaded with grixis delver, shardless bug,eldrazi, burn,miracle,lands,sneak show and ant. The rest is random stuff
So I came to this list:
Main(60):
4 Emrakul,the Aeons Torn
4 Griselbrand
1 Fire/Ice
1 Izzet Charm
3 Spell Pierce
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
1 Preordain
3 Gitaxian Probe
4 Ponder
4 Show and Tell
4 Sneak Attack
4 Lotus Petal
1 Polluted Delta
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Flooded Strand
3 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
1 Mountain
3 Island
3 Volcanic Island
4 Scalding Tarn
Sb(15):
2 Defense Grid
2 Blood Moon
2 Kozilek's Return
2 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Through The Breach
1 Pithing Needle
1 Red Elemental Blast
2 Flusterstorm
1 Wipe Away
I also made sideboard plans for this list against 35 decks. If somebody has an interest on them let me know.
Greetz :)
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Thanks for the sideboard info, I must have missed it while skimming through the pages. In hind sight I'm not sure how though.
I gather that I'm a little soft to chalice with all of the 1cmc spells. I might switch one up to a fire//ice, but that still leaves me with an abundance of 1s. If you don't mind my asking, what do you use for the flex slots? It seems like everyone is pretty heavy on the 1cmc.
I've been testing 2 Omni's in the main but not sold on them quite yet. Definitely adds to certain matchups but mostly when I've used it, an emrakul would be just as efficient.
I don't know what version of Miracles you have been playing against with Grid, but I suspect you've been doing it wrong. Grid is insane against them - it's pretty much the only reason to keep them in the board at this point. An early grid lets you try to go off much sooner and with much less interaction that you would usually need. Snapcaster and Clique become damn near unplayable, and it's much more expensive to Brainstorm or even just spin top to try to draw Counterspells.
I have grids when I know half the room is going to be Miracles, and when they're not in my board, it's because they are not terribly effective against the rest of the room, not because Miracles 'Does not care.'
As with any utility land (ahem, Karakas...) if you are getting your Boseju wasted, it's your own fault. You should typically be trying to hold it until the turn you want to use it against any deck that represents Wastelands. You have so many good Waste-able lands in the deck, Boseju should be pretty safe as long as you aren't just running it out there Turn 2.
I hate Preordain. I am running Intuition instead, and will occasionally put Impulse in the slot if I am worried about a lot of Wastelands. I know people are fans of even more Random Counterspells, but I prefer to be trying to go off over trying to prevent someone else from doing stuff. The latter is hard and puts you on the wrong side of FoW card advantage. If you are really worried about Chalice, Daze is an awfully surprising answer in most match ups since you can typically afford the tempo loss against decks that are pushing for Chalice on 1.
Omniscience is a really weird card in that it is often functionally just another Emrakul, but it allows you to more effectively win against DnT-style hate and it has greater-than-marginal value in blue matchups. I think they are more valuable if your MD flex slots are proactive or draw-oriented, and less valuable when the flexes are reactive.
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I cut 1 of pierce/preordain/probe each, for 1fire//ice, 1misdrection and 1Jtms(well, he is not really effective vs eldrazis). Chalice is not pupular enough in my local meta, for bringing more "subpar" 2+CMC cards like Impulse.
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As with any utility land (ahem, Karakas...) if you are getting your Boseju wasted, it's your own fault. You should typically be trying to hold it until the turn you want to use it against any deck that represents Wastelands. You have so many good Waste-able lands in the deck, Boseju should be pretty safe as long as you aren't just running it out there Turn 2.
I don't unterstand your point ?
The fact is that boseju always comes tapped so why can I be 100% safe that they cannot wasteland them.
As I said before everybody is free to play sneak show the way he wants to be. In my list i don't need boseju.
And after testing yesterday against shardless bug, bug delver, lands, 4c delver & eldrazi I wouldn't change anything atm.
Greetings :)
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@All sneak show pilots - has anyone tried the black splash maybe? I've recently read an article of Owen Turtenwald from 2013 involving black splash for thoughtseize main. I was wondering if anyone tried it maybe. Thx in advance
Don't own any copies of u-sea, and haven't play with or against such build. But if that build exists, the manabase would be extremely vulnerable.@All sneak show pilots - has anyone tried the black splash maybe? I've recently read an article of Owen Turtenwald from 2013 involving black splash for thoughtseize main. I was wondering if anyone tried it maybe. Thx in advance
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