[Primer/Deck] Nic Fit

[Jain_Mor]

Nothing impressive here, just sharing the feel good vibes :)

So I finally had the opportunity to check out my local legacy scene in Swansea, Wales at their monthly legacy FNM (I think there's about 4 locations in the UK that regurarly host legacy events and I just happened to move to one of them (still not quite the daily events I was used to in Japan.. :/ ))

They had about 20 players and I crushed, it felt good to play with paper cards again.
2-0 Merfolk (Had to cast the same deed 3 times in G1 before it resolved (thank you ewit (thank you Meren and 9 mana))
2-0 Maverick with Titania (Terrifying but deed still wins)
2-0 Shardless (Deed and Meren recurring Thragtusk with a SoFaI to get past Strixes)
2-0 Parfait (Deeded 5 permanents and equipment beats humility, G2 recurring Rec sage with the two towers beats everything and teeg stops him from casting humility to stop it)

Highlight was casting Siege Rhino game 1 against Merfolk, opponents mouth drops, so I decide to announce it loudly to the store "I CAST SIEGE RHINO" everyone turns in confusion and curiosity. My matches always went long so I always had a crowd to watch Rhino victorys.

Now I'm known as "that new guy that wins legacy with siege rhino" though I'm sure we are all used to similar monikers, I'm just happy to have earnt it again so quickly at my new LGS :P

[Echelon]

Highlight was casting Siege Rhino game 1 against Merfolk, opponents mouth drops, so I decide to announce it loudly to the store "I CAST SIEGE RHINO" everyone turns in confusion and curiosity. My matches always went long so I always had a crowd to watch Rhino victorys.

Now I'm known as "that new guy that wins legacy with siege rhino" though I'm sure we are all used to similar monikers, I'm just happy to have earnt it again so quickly at my new LGS :P

Yeah, that does sound very familiar. Nice job man!

[Koplinchen]

Hi fellow Nic Fit people!

I know most of you are on the JUNK version of the deck but I fell in love with this beauty:

4 Veteran Explorer
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth
1 Thragtusk

4 GSZ
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Painful Truth
1 Diabolic Intent

3 Punishing Fire
4 Abrupt Decay

3 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Liliana of the Veil

22lands
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
2 Phyrexian Tower
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Wooded Foothills
2 Taiga
1 Badlands
2 Bayou
3 Forest
2 Swamp
1 Mountain


Side:

3 Thoughtseize
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Pithing Needle
1 REB
1 Pyroblast
1 Golgari Charm
1 Toxic Deluge
2 Slaughter Games
2 From the Ashes

This is Matt's deck. I only replaced 2 dragons with Titania which has been amazing and Diabolic Intent which is wonderful here. (searches Liliana, Grove...) Then I cut Thrun going down to 60 and I changed sideboard a bit. Blasts and From the Ashes are a real stars here - FtA brings the lands into play untapped which is amazing!

basic comparasion with junk version:
+
Punishing Fire - makes sure we can kill pws, can grind opponent down without a shadow of doubt, good with lili, you can kill your Veteran!
Liliana - discard + kill; more control
Titania - finishes games on the spot, tutorable, the only realy clock
Huntmaster - almost like and plainswalker - with fire and top in the mid/late game he is an engine on his own
Blasts - improve our control and combo matchups

-
cant outrace opponent in the early game (no rhinos)
dont have Path to Exile so Dark Depths is a problem
cant tutor for art/ench removal
no gaddock
no way how to kill a land


I would love to know what is your experience with the deck and if you have any ideas that can help me. I think it is a wonderful deck for everybody that wants to control and grind out your opponent. :-)

Tomáš

[Jain_Mor]

Hi fellow Nic Fit people!

I know most of you are on the JUNK version of the deck but I fell in love with this beauty:

4 Veteran Explorer
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth
1 Thragtusk

4 GSZ
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Painful Truth
1 Diabolic Intent

3 Punishing Fire
4 Abrupt Decay

3 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Liliana of the Veil

22lands
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
2 Phyrexian Tower
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Wooded Foothills
2 Taiga
1 Badlands
2 Bayou
3 Forest
2 Swamp
1 Mountain


Side:

3 Thoughtseize
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Pithing Needle
1 REB
1 Pyroblast
1 Golgari Charm
1 Toxic Deluge
2 Slaughter Games
2 From the Ashes

Tomáš

I have to admit that's the sexiest Jund list I've seen so far, almost makes me want to try it... Except LotV costs a boat load online and for some reason I can't throw my real ones at my laptop screen and have them appear in my modo account -.-

[sdematt]

This is something that Tomas and I have been working on...well, him working, me answering questions ;) In case you don't realize, Tomas Vlcek is the basically an Eastern European Shonegger, just not as tall ;)

If you really hate Liliana, change it to 1x Garruk Relentless and 1x Painful Truths.

[Jain_Mor]

This is something that Tomas and I have been working on...well, him working, me answering questions ;) In case you don't realize, Tomas Vlcek is the basically an Eastern European Shonegger, just not as tall ;)

If you really hate Liliana, change it to 1x Garruk Relentless and 1x Painful Truths.

Lol no one in this thread hates lotv? She's just a real expensive date... Maybe some of us can group share..

I guess as a two of she isn't that integral to the deck. I'll check prices of the other cards later, cheers

[Tom4ik]

Lol no one in this thread hates lotv? She's just a real expensive date... Maybe some of us can group share..

I guess as a two of she isn't that integral to the deck. I'll check prices of the other cards later, cheers

Liliana is integral to the Jund fire decks. When I played it I played 3. It is a great proactive 3 drop which is something the deck wants when you have the therapy vet starts and with fire it is the best way to control the game. You can replace it as Matt said with some other options but you will be missing one of the main advantages that the deck gets.

[Ricardio]

that jund list looks especially weak to removal. When I played punishing jund fit, I ran 2 huntmaster, 1 prime time, 1 broodmate.
You might want to go down on removal since you have pfire and find yourself more threats so you can win the game in real time.

[Arianrhod]

http://media.wizards.com/2016/aksdjc...ZfmLqEz6Ay.png

Potentially relevant 3-drop for us. Turns landfall into card draw with excess mana, which is something we're interested in. It will need tested for sure, not confidant in how good it is just from reading the card, but I could see it.

If the image goes down:

Tireless Tracker
2g
3/2

Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, investigate.
Whenever you sacrifice a Clue, put a +1/+1 counter on ~.

[Navsi]

@Tireless Tracker

The big problem I see with him is that there are already a lot of good midrangey utility 3-drops that compete. Mainly Nissa, Witness, Courser, sometimes Reclamation Sage, KOTR and Wood Elves. I don't know if he gets the nod over Courser for the maindeck.

Maybe in a landfall-focused shell like the one a few pages back with Mina and Denn, Titania and Courser? The deck kind of wants to overextend its board position, so having fuel to rebuild could be good for the deck.

[Ricardio]

http://media.wizards.com/2016/aksdjc...ZfmLqEz6Ay.png

Potentially relevant 3-drop for us. Turns landfall into card draw with excess mana, which is something we're interested in. It will need tested for sure, not confidant in how good it is just from reading the card, but I could see it.

If the image goes down:

Tireless Tracker
2g
3/2

Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, investigate.
Whenever you sacrifice a Clue, put a +1/+1 counter on ~.

It feels like some kind of weird annihilator protection. I wish it were more aggressively costed. Feels super meh.

[Koplinchen]

that jund list looks especially weak to removal. When I played punishing jund fit, I ran 2 huntmaster, 1 prime time, 1 broodmate.
You might want to go down on removal since you have pfire and find yourself more threats so you can win the game in real time.

Thank you for your reply Ricardo. I must say I only got inot time once and it was not my fault all that very much. This decks takes a few more turns to depelate your oppnent resources and then you go for Meren or Titania. Not just Therapy but lili mean that opponent does not have too many answers. And at first your really kill everything he has and THEN you attack. Meren can bring some dead guys back (Phyrexian Tower helps against Swords to Plowshares a lot) and we still have Eternal Witness backup. Titania often does not ca too much about removal as she just wins. I am happy that all the removal makes all the delver/such matchups really really good. (I know its already good but sometimes even my deck dies to unanswered delver which I hate)

I was only thinking about Dryad Arbor but that is probably not worth it, right?
Did you play some special lands with GTitan? Stronghold? Was it worth it?


I think one of the greatest strenghts of this deck is that we are basicaly BG deck and we can work well without red. (3Fires and Huntmaster who comes in via GSZ anyway)

I dont think it is anything new to you but loose horribly to Cataclysm (Jund more than Junk) and so I started to side in 1 Slaughter Games and is has been incredible.


Tomáš

[Koplinchen]

This is something that Tomas and I have been working on...well, him working, me answering questions ;) In case you don't realize, Tomas Vlcek is the basically an Eastern European Shonegger, just not as tall ;).

I am happy with my 189cm. Most men would be. :P

[rubblekill]

Thank you for your reply Ricardo. I must say I only got inot time once and it was not my fault all that very much. This decks takes a few more turns to depelate your oppnent resources and then you go for Meren or Titania. Not just Therapy but lili mean that opponent does not have too many answers. And at first your really kill everything he has and THEN you attack. Meren can bring some dead guys back (Phyrexian Tower helps against Swords to Plowshares a lot) and we still have Eternal Witness backup. Titania often does not ca too much about removal as she just wins. I am happy that all the removal makes all the delver/such matchups really really good. (I know its already good but sometimes even my deck dies to unanswered delver which I hate)

I was only thinking about Dryad Arbor but that is probably not worth it, right?
Did you play some special lands with GTitan? Stronghold? Was it worth it?


I think one of the greatest strenghts of this deck is that we are basicaly BG deck and we can work well without red. (3Fires and Huntmaster who comes in via GSZ anyway)

I dont think it is anything new to you but loose horribly to Cataclysm (Jund more than Junk) and so I started to side in 1 Slaughter Games and is has been incredible.


Tomáš

Arbor seems good with meren and especially with titania imo. You loop a blocker with meren and with tower (or even deed incidentally) and Titania you can do some nice shenanigans. This relates to jund, but to this you should add the other reasons why arbor is nice to have even outside jund: tricks lilianas edict, gives a free desperate outlet to flashback therapy etc.

[Ricardio]

Thank you for your reply Ricardo. I must say I only got inot time once and it was not my fault all that very much. This decks takes a few more turns to depelate your oppnent resources and then you go for Meren or Titania. Not just Therapy but lili mean that opponent does not have too many answers. And at first your really kill everything he has and THEN you attack. Meren can bring some dead guys back (Phyrexian Tower helps against Swords to Plowshares a lot) and we still have Eternal Witness backup. Titania often does not ca too much about removal as she just wins. I am happy that all the removal makes all the delver/such matchups really really good. (I know its already good but sometimes even my deck dies to unanswered delver which I hate)

I was only thinking about Dryad Arbor but that is probably not worth it, right?
Did you play some special lands with GTitan? Stronghold? Was it worth it?


I think one of the greatest strenghts of this deck is that we are basicaly BG deck and we can work well without red. (3Fires and Huntmaster who comes in via GSZ anyway)

I dont think it is anything new to you but loose horribly to Cataclysm (Jund more than Junk) and so I started to side in 1 Slaughter Games and is has been incredible.


Tomáš

Titania and Sylvan safekeeper is probably where you wanna be.
I didn't play arbor in my build solely because I didn't have space.
Grave titan is amazing but you cant tutor him so I ran primeval titan alongside thrun, kessig wolf run and stronghold
Huntmaster is amamaamamazing. I just got a foil German signed one for $50 which I consider a steeeeeeeal!
Another card to jam in your sb: Ruination. totally hilarious in a lot of matchups, like a one sided Armageddon.
Loam might be a good place since getting groves wasted is obnoxious.

[sdematt]

Titania and Sylvan safekeeper is probably where you wanna be.
I didn't play arbor in my build solely because I didn't have space.
Grave titan is amazing but you cant tutor him so I ran primeval titan alongside thrun, kessig wolf run and stronghold
Huntmaster is amamaamamazing. I just got a foil German signed one for $50 which I consider a steeeeeeeal!
Another card to jam in your sb: Ruination. totally hilarious in a lot of matchups, like a one sided Armageddon.
Loam might be a good place since getting groves wasted is obnoxious.

From the Ashes is strictly better Ruination

[Ricardio]

From the Ashes is strictly better Ruination

I had no idea that was a card, Matt, if that is in fact your real name.

[Bobmans]

Arbor compliments Meren. It enables a lot of techy lines. For example; DRS/VetEx in the yard, Untapped PTower or Therapy in hand/yard and you have an untapped fetch. Drop Meren, fetch Arbor, sac it, pass to eot and flip DRS/VetEx. This enables a very quick launch of Merens capability and puts up a blockade.
Also you can get Arbor down more aggresive so you have something to wall immediatly when you get Meren.
Arbor on its end also enables some 'extra' lines on the early turns. T1 GSZ into Arbor enables some added lines. Also it turns fetchlands into Therapy fodder.
That it dies to Deed can be annoying, but Arbor is always there to die for the cause. But the JUND manabase doesnt feel it is able to support Arbor. Running 4 Groves is really important to get Pfire online more effective. Also i found 4 PFire to be the best so it always shows up and gives the ability to play aggresive on removal. But design space kind of forces it to 3.

Liliana is a musthave in JUND since it also adds reach to get rid of creatures out of Decay and Pfire range. On overall i dislike Deluge since that card hit to much of our own. I played 3 and tried 2. Overall the conlusion was that with 2 it didnt show up often enough.

The list you posted Tomas, feels very soft int the high CMC end of the creatures. Imho this is the weakspot of JUND lists.
PrimeTime is still the best option for the deck, but that would require either Two Tower or a Kessig/P.Tower split.
I still swear by Stormbreath Dragon, especially because Haste and Pro White are so much relevant. 2 copies to compensate the loss of GSZable.

Painful Truth's feels somewhat awkward in this lists. I really want to play some but it doesnt feel right. Not sure how others feel about PTruths in JUND.

I am actually suprised not to find at least 1 Kolghan's Command in the 75. It is a really strong card vs StoneBlade decks. And in other case the card is a 2 for 1. Every mode is/can be relevant.

Lastly, Diabolic Intent might not be to effective since the JUND lists are so light on creatures.

I love JUND lists, but i still need and excuse to run it over JUND 4 Rhino. The latter is soo tuned and plays so smooth.
My question is, what draws you to this list?
Good and nice to see more interest into it.

[sdematt]

I had no idea that was a card, Matt, if that is in fact your real name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JYJhWIwGUw

;)

I am happy with my 189cm. Most men would be. :P

I'm happy with my 173cm. Sometimes, it's also about the girth and not just the height ;0

[Ricardio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JYJhWIwGUw

;)



I'm happy with my 173cm. Sometimes, it's also about the girth and not just the height ;0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZaJYDPY-YQ