[Primer] Eldrazi Stompy

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I can imagine having it both ways with 4 Factories if you just run 1 or 2 Displacers. It's not like they get better in multiples, and if you're running the full 4 Matter Reshaper, the body doesn't matter, and the curve considerations are already taken care of.

Like I can imagine running 4 of all the good creatures + 2 Displacer with 2 Petals, 4 Cavern, 2 Karakas, and 1-2 other white sources of your choice. You have plenty to do with your mana with the addition of Factories and there is minimal risk that Displacer just gets stuck in your hand any worse than the standard 1-2 six-drops normally do - waiting for W mana for Displacer is similar to waiting for that fourth/fifth land for Endbringer.

[Barook]

If the mana allows it, I would rather run at least 3 Displacers MD, even with a certain chance that it gets stuck in hand. Otherwise, we wouldn't run multiple copies of Legendary cards or Cities, either. It is that good against many decks. The latest league match against 4C Aggro Loam reminded me how Displacer can win games on its own, holding back his KotR for 4 turns straight.

G2, it was Leyline (combined with a bit luck for topdecked second Smasher) which won me the game. I don't think other GY hate would have been as good here. Despite all its short-comings when not in the opening hand, Leyline is also an excellent anti-Storm card as the majority of their kills rely heavily on GY shenanigans. If they can't do that, they stop functioning for the most part.

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If the mana allows it, I would rather run at least 3 Displacers MD, even with a certain chance that it gets stuck in hand. Otherwise, we wouldn't run multiple copies of Legendary cards or Cities, either. It is that good against many decks. The latest league match against 4C Aggro Loam reminded me how Displacer can win games on its own, holding back his KotR for 4 turns straight.

G2, it was Leyline (combined with a bit luck for topdecked second Smasher) which won me the game. I don't think other GY hate would have been as good here. Despite all its short-comings when not in the opening hand, Leyline is also an excellent anti-Storm card as the majority of their kills rely heavily on GY shenanigans. If they can't do that, they stop functioning for the most part.

I completely agree on both points, but with regards to Displacer the whole question is whether "the mana allows it". If it doesn't, the next best thing is merely having access to the card. It's better to have 2 than 0. I think what will end up happening is that you have to choose between

a) 3-4 Displacer, 0-2 Factory
b) 3-4 Factory, 0-2 Displacers

And it will be very hard to have it both ways without doing something pretty drastic, like cutting a lot of Sol lands. For instance, something like this would definitely support 4 Factory, 4 Displacer, but at what cost?

4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Caves of Koilos
1 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
1 Eye of Ugin
2 Karakas
4 Mishra's Factory
1 Tendo Ice Bridge

with
2 Lotus Petal

[Cire]

Some tests with blue in the Main Deck to run Chill in the SB (Metagame heavy with moon and painter):

Test List Cwu

4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Mishra’s Factory
4 U/W pain land
2 Eye of Ugin
2 City of Traitors

4 Endless One
4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Matter Reshaper
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
3 Eldrazi Displacer
1 Drowner of Sorrows

4 Lotus Petal
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Warping Wail
1 Dismember

Sideboard:
3 Karakas
3 Chill
3 Hurkyl's Recall
2 Flusterstorm
2 All is Dust
1 Displacer
1 Dismember

Results: Still not enough blue sources - relying on Lotus petals for blue source 4-8 to cast chill or recall makes this deck finiky. I am at this point doubting the viability of any non-colorless non-eldrazi cards. I have also take nto running reshappers again with Displacers - I find it helpful against Shardless. I also find factories essential in that matchup. Finally, drowner of hope is fun, but unneede - would rather run endbringer.

Edit: this was also another test list where I ran only 4 prison pieces, but once again I found that number too small for my liking.

Going forward, I will continue to test above list making the following changes:

-1 Mishra's Factory
-1 Drowner of Sorrow
-1 Reshaper
+1 Blue producing land
+2 Thorn

[Thereisnocomp2]

I like Factory alot. It goes along very well with the aggro plan and can play defence, if necessary, as well.

The more I play, the more I come to the conclusion that Eldrazi is a metagame deck. There are various builds that can do well, but e.g. a colorless build with Matter Reshaper is better in a meta with e.g. Shardless while Displacer builds do well against equipment, tokens, Sneak & Show, Reanimator, Infect, etc.

Finished the league with Riehu's list 4-1:

R1: Shardless BUG 2-1
R2: UR Painter 2-0
R3: Miracles 2-1
R4: UB Tezzeret Staxx with Thopther Sword combo & Ensnaring Bridge 1-2
R5: Esper (Death?)blade 2-0

A couple of impressions about the build:

- All is Dust continues to be an all-star; I really prefer 3x copies for all those grindy control/midrange match-ups

- this particular build has a serious lack of good answers against Ensnaring Bridge (which also cost me the game twice vs Tezzeret Staxx. I could fire a Bomb vs it + Academy Ruins on the board to ensure lethal G2, but G1 was lost to the lock as was G3 when he also needled my Bomb )

- Urborg is a card that must be treated with caution: It came up a few times in this league run that my opponent also benefitted from its effects; as nice as painless tapping is, I don't think it's worth 2 copies since the combo with Eye also doesn't provide colorless mana

- I like MD Thorn less and less. I can't remember a time when I thought "Man, I really want a Thorn now."

- Endbringer is BAD. I don't understand how people are still running it. The times you have the mana to resolve Endbringer and the time to actually get some value out of it are basically Magical Christmasland scenarios.

- Factories perform well as always. I've warmed up for Matter Reshaper and Endless One after initially shying away from them with my GW builds.

Some other things which maybe Riehu can answer:

- How has Sphere of Resistance been for you? Do you bring it in vs creature-based decks as well, like Shardless?

- How have Faeries as your only GY hate been for you so far? This approach seems kinda weak to decks that rely alot on the GY, but without a particular card, like Dredge or KotR.

Where to go from here? I'm considering to play the Legacy Challenge tomorrow, but each build has particular weaknesses that don't sit well with me.
Matter Reshaper is obviously a requirement due to the amount of Shardless in the MTGO meta, as are my beloved Factories. But then again, I miss my Displacers - not playing them feels like having a blind spot against alot of random unfair crap. I can't really find evidence that it has been done before, but:



If the deck only runs a couple of Displacers instead of going deep into white, it becomes significantly easier on the mana and still allows us to run Factories:

Displacers Matter.dec

4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Eldrazi Temple
3 Eye of Ugin
2 City of Traitors
4 Mishra’s Factory
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
2 Karakas

4 Endless One
4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Matter Reshaper
3 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher

3 Lotus Petal
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Dismember
2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Warping Wail

Sideboard:
1 Karakas
1 Displacer
3 All is Dust
9 slots up to debate (I still want at least some outs against Blood Moon & Ensnaring Bridge and appropriate GY hate; maybe some Sphere effects as well)

Maybe I'll shelve another land (4th Factory, 3rd Eye or the last Urborg are candidates) for another white source in form of Cave of Koilos (or Brushland for SB World Breaker - I like that idea very much; should be doable with 8 green sources total) to support Displacer better, depending on how the manabase works with 9 white sources pre-board. Displacer is another cheap beater to bring in for even more early aggression alongside Factory instead of Endbringer lategame shenanigans. T1 Eye + Mimic/Endless One + Petal into Displacer are at least 5 power on the board T1 since Displacer can actually be played of Petal, unlike Matter Reshaper with Guides/Petal.

Thoughts about the new build and SB considerations?

Placeholder for a much more analytical response, but i LOVE the idea of Reshaper plus Displacer now. I still think Mox Diamond is where we want to be over SSG in that variant, but Petal is probably good enough with no intent to go deep on Color via TD, RiP or CPriest.

[Barook]

4-1'ed with my Displayers Matter list, playing with 2 Brushlands and 4 Leylines + 2 Sphere of Resistance in the board. While I got somewhat lucky in the beginning regarding topdecks and two misplays of my opponents, I think the list hold up pretty well.

R1: GBWr Nic Fit (2-0; opponent couldn't into combat math and conceded while I was dead on board G1)
R2: 4C Loam 2-0 (posted above)
R3: UW Landstill 2-0 (quite the grindy games; opponent fucked up G2, missing his Decree of Justice token trigger. Thanks, MODO!)
R4: Sneak & Show 1-2 (Lost to one of my best match-ups out of all things. Kept supbar hands G2 & G3 because I got too overconfident/greedy and was punished accordingly. Oh well... )
R5: ANT 2-0 (Sphere really hinders my gameplan, going to be Thorn again next time)

Overall, the performance so far was satisfying. I'm only mad that I basically threw R4 away. Could have been a 5-0 otherwise. I'll try the same list again, except with Thorns instead of Spheres.

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4-1'ed with my Displayers Matter list, playing with 2 Brushlands and 4 Leylines + 2 Sphere of Resistance in the board. While I got somewhat lucky in the beginning regarding topdecks and two misplays of my opponents, I think the list hold up pretty well.

R1: GBWr Nic Fit (2-0; opponent couldn't into combat math and conceded while I was dead on board G1)
R2: 4C Loam 2-0 (posted above)
R3: UW Landstill 2-0 (quite the grindy games; opponent fucked up G2, missing his Decree of Justice token trigger. Thanks, MODO!)
R4: Sneak & Show 1-2 (Lost to one of my best match-ups out of all things. Kept supbar hands G2 & G3 because I got too overconfident/greedy and was punished accordingly. Oh well... )
R5: ANT 2-0 (Sphere really hinders my gameplan, going to be Thorn again next time)

Overall, the performance so far was satisfying. I'm only mad that I basically threw R4 away. Could have been a 5-0 otherwise. I'll try the same list again, except with Thorns instead of Spheres.

Any opinions about going Urborg-less? It's a one-of that I think is pretty important to give yourself an out when you happen to keep a double-Tomb hand against aggressive decks. But it might be too niche of a situation to care about.

[Barook]

Any opinions about going Urborg-less? It's a one-of that I think is pretty important to give yourself an out when you happen to keep a double-Tomb hand against aggressive decks. But it might be too niche of a situation to care about.

As I've written before, Urborg can also help out your opponent. It's nice to have sometimes, but I want to find out if I run enough colored sources for Displacer (and World Breaker, for the matter). I have the impression that it's too gimmicky.

Started another league run. Went 5-0, clean 10-0 run. Holy shit. But to be fair, I got the match-ups handed on a silver plate:

R1: Burn 2-0
R2: Storm (TES) 2-0
R3: Storm (ANT) 2-0
R4: Storm (ANT) 2-0
R5: Sneak & Show 2-0

Before people ask: I've never drawn Displacer in the Storm match-ups, so I would have never had the MD Thorns anyway that I cut for it. Displacer wasn't relevant vs Sneak & Show this time due to T1 Mentor shenanigans, forcing it to be on chumpblock duty to get rid of Mentor. What's the deal Sneak packing SB Mentors nowadays? That's annoying as fuck and saw it in both matches.

So far, the list is 9-1 in matches (could have been 10-0 if I hadn't fucked up), but it's too early to tell if the list is the real deal due to the amount of unusual match-ups that I got. On the plus side, I have now enough Play Points to join the Legacy Challenge tomorrow without spending Tix - assuming I'm not too tired to join.

[RhoxWarMonk]

As I've written before, Urborg can also help out your opponent. It's nice to have sometimes, but I want to find out if I run enough colored sources for Displacer (and World Breaker, for the matter). I have the impression that it's too gimmicky.

Started another league run. Went 5-0, clean 10-0 run. Holy shit. But to be fair, I got the match-ups handed on a silver plate:

R1: Burn 2-0
R2: Storm (TES) 2-0
R3: Storm (ANT) 2-0
R4: Storm (ANT) 2-0
R5: Sneak & Show 2-0

Before people ask: I've never drawn Displacer in the Storm match-ups, so I would have never had the MD Thorns anyway that I cut for it. Displacer wasn't relevant vs Sneak & Show this time due to T1 Mentor shenanigans, forcing it to be on chumpblock duty to get rid of Mentor. What's the deal Sneak packing SB Mentors nowadays? That's annoying as fuck and saw it in both matches.

So far, the list is 9-1 in matches (could have been 10-0 if I hadn't fucked up), but it's too early to tell if the list is the real deal due to the amount of unusual match-ups that I got. On the plus side, I have now enough Play Points to join the Legacy Challenge tomorrow without spending Tix - assuming I'm not too tired to join.

Sorry if I missed it Barook but was this the list you played?

4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Eldrazi Temple
3 Eye of Ugin
2 City of Traitors
4 Mishra’s Factory
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
2 Karakas

4 Endless One
4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Matter Reshaper
3 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher

3 Lotus Petal
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Dismember
2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Warping Wail

Congrats on your finish as well, 5-0 is impressive regardless of the matchup. Was there any problems casting Displacers with so little white sources?

[Barook]

No, the list is slightly different in the manabase:

4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Eldrazi Temple
3 Eye of Ugin
2 City of Traitors
3 Mishra’s Factory
2 Brushland
2 Karakas

4 Endless One
4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Matter Reshaper
3 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher

3 Lotus Petal
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Dismember
2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Warping Wail

Sideboard:
1 Karakas
1 Displacer
3 All is Dust
1 Warping Wail
1 Dismember
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Thorn of Amethyst
2 World Breaker

Displacer mana has only come up once in those 10 match-ups, but that was more the fault of me totally manascrewed anyway and I still won that game in the end. I'm not too concerned about white mana at the moment.

About Storm with no MD Thorns: I'm 4-0 in matches and 8-0 in games with the current list. Even without Thorns, the MD is more than good enough against them and after boarding, it gets really ugly once they have to deal with Leylines, Thorns and the additional Wail as well.

[Finn]

Barook, with Dismember and Leyline of the Void it seems to me that the Brushlands should be Caves of Koilos. Just in case.

[Barook]

Barook, with Dismember and Leyline of the Void it seems to me that the Brushlands should be Caves of Koilos. Just in case.

Not really, I just forgot to write down World Breaker. Otherwise, it would have been a 13 card board. My bad.

[eldrazimenace777]

Looking to play this list thoughts please.
4 thought knot
4 endless one
4 mimic
4 matter reshaper
4 reality smasher
2 revoker
1 endbringer
4 eye
4 city
4 tomb
4 temple
4 wasteland
4 cavern
1 urborg
2 jitte
4 chalice
4 thorn
2 wail
1 dismember

Sb: 2 all is dust
2 dismember
2 crucible of world's
2 sphere of resistance
2 Graf diggers cage
2 winter orb
2 trinisphere
1 null rod

[caprino]

No, the list is slightly different in the manabase:

4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Eldrazi Temple
3 Eye of Ugin
2 City of Traitors
3 Mishra’s Factory
2 Brushland
2 Karakas

4 Endless One
4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Matter Reshaper
3 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher

3 Lotus Petal
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Dismember
2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Warping Wail

Sideboard:
1 Karakas
1 Displacer
3 All is Dust
1 Warping Wail
1 Dismember
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Thorn of Amethyst
2 World Breaker

Displacer mana has only come up once in those 10 match-ups, but that was more the fault of me totally manascrewed anyway and I still won that game in the end. I'm not too concerned about white mana at the moment.

About Storm with no MD Thorns: I'm 4-0 in matches and 8-0 in games with the current list. Even without Thorns, the MD is more than good enough against them and after boarding, it gets really ugly once they have to deal with Leylines, Thorns and the additional Wail as well.

matchup vs bug and team america is difficult?

[(nameless one)]

I keep seeing the white lists. What advantages does it have over the colorless lists?

And how is the white list better than Death and Taxes?

[Barook]

I keep seeing the white lists. What advantages does it have over the colorless lists?

And how is the white list better than Death and Taxes?

White runs Displacer, which owns: Infect, Fatties (Emrakul and Griselbrand are probably the most notable ones), equipment, tokens, etc. - a bunch of things the colorless list has problems with.

@caprino: I don't get the question. I've posted my match-ups so far and none of them were BUG decks.

[caprino]

White runs Displacer, which owns: Infect, Fatties (Emrakul and Griselbrand are probably the most notable ones), equipment, tokens, etc. - a bunch of things the colorless list has problems with.

@caprino: I don't get the question. I've posted my match-ups so far and none of them were BUG decks.

I explain how to do the side and out side in against miracle,ant,bug,sneak attack,omnitell,rug dever,death and taxes,elf,burn.. thanks

[darkgh0st]

how is the white list better than Death and Taxes?

I don't play DnT but from what I am hearing is that DnT stuggle with the Miracles MU and is dependent on resolving Cataclysm post-board. White Eldrazi has a very good MU against Miracles still. Eye of Ugin mid-late game just lets you cast one threat after another.

[Barook]

I entered the Legacy Challenge and will keep this post updated with my progress:

R1: UW Standstill 2-0 (1-0 in matches)
R2: Mono-W D&T 2-1 (2-0 in matches) (I was completely overrun G2 by a nutdraw including T4 Crusader Jitte swing while being light on mana)
R3: Chaos Elves (3-0 in matches) piloted by Julian23 (Chalice isn't as strong when they have Cavern, but won anyway)
R4: Eldrazi Stompy 2-1 (4-0 in matches) (colorless; I hate diceroll match-ups, especially if I lose the roll G1 - still managed to win G2 and G3)
R5: Reanimator 2-1 (5-0 in matches) (lost G1 due to T1 Griselbrand beats and I was several turns 1 mana away from winning despite of that. G3 I won vs an early Grave Titan with Displacer shenanigans somehow - having to flicker Titan multiple times was a really ugly thing to do, but in the end, it worked out)
R6: Mentor Miracles 0-2 (5-1 in matches) (had lethal on board and the after countering his first Terminus, the only way he could have gotten out of this if he had a second Terminus on top - and of course he had it. G2 was a nongame due to 7 lander into 6 nolander into mediocre 5 card hand into mana screw. )
R7: Shardless BUG 2-0 by Lejay (the last thing I wanted to face; G1 I topdeck one and play tripple (!) Mimic. Combined with a Reality Smasher, his 3/4 Goyf is no match for my onslaught. G2 was also aggressive, in the end he ran out of gas and despite playing StP on World Breaker , Matter Reshaper and a new 8/8 Endless One got the job done)

I explain how to do the side and out side in against miracle,ant,bug,sneak attack,omnitell,rug dever,death and taxes,elf,burn.. thanks

I need to playtest first before making any comments first, since sideboarding is not exactly my forte.

I don't play DnT but from what I am hearing is that DnT stuggle with the Miracles MU and is dependent on resolving Cataclysm post-board. White Eldrazi has a very good MU against Miracles still. Eye of Ugin mid-late game just lets you cast one threat after another.

Eldrazi is way more favored vs Miracles (depends on both builds) and heavily favored vs Storm. Elves aren't as abyssal as for D&T, with Chalice being MVP here, TKS being close second.

[caprino]

No, the list is slightly different in the manabase:

4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Eldrazi Temple
3 Eye of Ugin
2 City of Traitors
3 Mishra’s Factory
2 Brushland
2 Karakas

4 Endless One
4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Matter Reshaper
3 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher

3 Lotus Petal
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Dismember
2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Warping Wail

Sideboard:
1 Karakas
1 Displacer
3 All is Dust
1 Warping Wail
1 Dismember
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Thorn of Amethyst
2 World Breaker

Displacer mana has only come up once in those 10 match-ups, but that was more the fault of me totally manascrewed anyway and I still won that game in the end. I'm not too concerned about white mana at the moment.

About Storm with no MD Thorns: I'm 4-0 in matches and 8-0 in games with the current list. Even without Thorns, the MD is more than good enough against them and after boarding, it gets really ugly once they have to deal with Leylines, Thorns and the additional Wail as well.

Land you play is correct? Brushland right? Mana Black for dismember?