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    Entered an Eternal Extraveganza 4 Trial today, awaiting Top 8 pairings where i am first placed heading in. Will update with further details this evening when I return home from the tournament. Also i renamed the deck to MEGA-Stompy. MEGA of course standa for Make Eldrazi Great Again :)

    Round 1--Miracles w/Thoptersword

    Opponent made me aware he was changing to ThopterSword to improve an abysmal matchup againsy our very deck while adding that Counterbalance had seen better days in Legacy. Game 1 he beat me when he assembled ThopterSword against me after a very slow, lockout piece filled start. Game 2 i was able to counter a timely Terminus and Game 3 was won by am aggressive keep of Mimic, Reshaper, Seer and Smasher with a Temple/Tomb/City as lands. By the time he could setup a Terminus, i had a Smasher in hand at the ready to deploy for lethal. 2-1 MEGA

    Round 2--Burn

    Game 1 came down to multiple Price of Progress eating 12 of my life. I had to make a Displacer to put me to 6 in hope of getting Jitte online, but it cost me. Guide wouldve finished me had i no blockers to deploy. Game 2 i landed Chalice on 1 and 2 for the lockout and Game 3 involved a turn 2 Jitte on a Mimic that won the game by itself past a turn 1 Lavamancer. 2-1 MEGA

    Round 3-- Junk

    Game 1 we got into a boardstate of double DRS vs my empty board, and i topdecked Toxic Deluge to clean up before Reality Smasher two turns later. Game 2 he throws 3 turns of Wasteland at me after turn 1 DRS and i lose handily. Game 3 was close, but i was able to Wail his second Mystic to keep the Batterskull in hand with only 3 lands and let Reshaper and Mimic win the game alone. 2-1 MEGA

    Round 4-- Grixis Delver

    This guy Chris and i have had some funs matches. I cannot unfortunately remember the particulars, but i lost Game 2 at 4 life vs flipped delver when he Dismembers my Endless One on Jitte Equip. Game 3 i was able to steal thanks to a strong turn 2 after Chalice on 1 gets Forced-- Tomb and Eye gave me Mimic and Reshaper which was enough to push through since he had mo Daze on double cast. 2-1 MEGA

    Quarterfinals-- Infect

    I can honestly say that i understand this matchup in theory and due to the nature of paper Legacy scenes have mot tested it nearly enough. But two horrible things happened in this match.

    Game 1 he drew zero pumps, just 2 Daze and 1 Spell Pierce, which was enough although had i not been Black mana screwed, i would have cast Toxic Deluge and been able to win the game a turn sooner than he could. Game 2 i kept a hand of 4 lands Deluge Chalice Chalice and landed Chalice for 1 on turn Zero. He proceeded to lay down (on a mulligan to 5 no less) two Inkmoth Nexus. And that is literally all it took. 0-2 MEGA

    No, you are not missing a piece of the game. I drew five lands and a third Chalice of the Void. The deck has never failed me so miserably before this match (colored mana constraint/absolute brick on six draws). I am truly upset that it occurred when it did, but i consider it more of an abberation than proof positive of a bad matchup.

    4 Eldrazi Mimic
    4 Endless One
    3 Matter Reshaper
    3 Eldrazi Displacer
    4 TKS
    4 Reality Smasher

    4 Chalice of the Void
    3 Mox Diamond
    2 Warping Wail
    2 Toxic Deluge
    2 Umezawas Jitte

    4 Ancient Tomb/Cavern of Souls/Caves of Koilos/Eldrazi Temple
    3 Eye of Ugin/City of Traitors
    1 Karakas/Urborg/Petrified Field (shouldve been Urborg 2, needs to be Karakas 2 once available)

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    3 Containment Priest
    1 Eldrazi Displacer
    1 Warping Wail
    1 Dismember
    3 Thorn of Amethyst
    1 All is Dust
    1 Coercive Portal
    4 Leyline of the Void

    I would change only a Containment Priest to a second Dismember and add Urborg over Petrified Field. Otherwise, deck ran smoothly all day and Reshaper pulled its weight big time.
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    Re: [DTB] Eldrazi Stompy

    Thoptersword sounds like another one of those things All is Dust manhandles since it blows up all the tokens (which are blue) plus the Foundry (which is multicolored).

    What list were you on? Mono C or the Displacer version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Thoptersword sounds like another one of those things All is Dust manhandles since it blows up all the tokens (which are blue) plus the Foundry (which is multicolored).

    What list were you on? Mono C or the Displacer version?
    All is Dust is one of those cards i want to like more, but it is so mana intensive. Coercive Portal is not a guarantee, but it is much easier to land in those grindy matchups that may even have Wastelands (like DnT) that would not allow you to get to 7 mana. I could see finding room for a 2nd, but i have had good results when bringing in Portal, like against Junk or Jund where Abrupt Decay cannot stop the CA from coming. And if they want to, they just have to trade 2 creatures and possibly a germ or a Sylvan Library, a trade we are A-OK with.

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    Coercive Portal will always a draw engine unless it's an advantage for the opponent.

    As for the Infect match-up, it's relevant to know what lands you kept G2. Was there a Factory among them? Keeping a hand with zero threats against a deck you need to race sounds like a really underwhelming plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thereisnocomp2 View Post
    Entered an Eternal Extraveganza 4 Trial today, awaiting Top 8 pairings where i am first placed heading in. Will update with further details this evening when I return home from the tournament. Also i renamed the deck to MEGA-Stompy. MEGA of course standa for Make Eldrazi Great Again :)

    Round 1--Miracles w/Thoptersword

    Opponent made me aware he was changing to ThopterSword to improve an abysmal matchup againsy our very deck while adding that Counterbalance had seen better days in Legacy. Game 1 he beat me when he assembled ThopterSword against me after a very slow, lockout piece filled start. Game 2 i was able to counter a timely Terminus and Game 3 was won by am aggressive keep of Mimic, Reshaper, Seer and Smasher with a Temple/Tomb/City as lands. By the time he could setup a Terminus, i had a Smasher in hand at the ready to deploy for lethal. 2-1 MEGA

    Round 2--Burn

    Game 1 came down to multiple Price of Progress eating 12 of my life. I had to make a Displacer to put me to 6 in hope of getting Jitte online, but it cost me. Guide wouldve finished me had i no blockers to deploy. Game 2 i landed Chalice on 1 and 2 for the lockout and Game 3 involved a turn 2 Jitte on a Mimic that won the game by itself past a turn 1 Lavamancer. 2-1 MEGA

    Round 3-- Junk

    Game 1 we got into a boardstate of double DRS vs my empty board, and i topdecked Toxic Deluge to clean up before Reality Smasher two turns later. Game 2 he throws 3 turns of Wasteland at me after turn 1 DRS and i lose handily. Game 3 was close, but i was able to Wail his second Mystic to keep the Batterskull in hand with only 3 lands and let Reshaper and Mimic win the game alone. 2-1 MEGA

    Round 4-- Grixis Delver

    This guy Chris and i have had some funs matches. I cannot unfortunately remember the particulars, but i lost Game 2 at 4 life vs flipped delver when he Dismembers my Endless One on Jitte Equip. Game 3 i was able to steal thanks to a strong turn 2 after Chalice on 1 gets Forced-- Tomb and Eye gave me Mimic and Reshaper which was enough to push through since he had mo Daze on double cast. 2-1 MEGA

    Quarterfinals-- Infect

    I can honestly say that i understand this matchup in theory and due to the nature of paper Legacy scenes have mot tested it nearly enough. But two horrible things happened in this match.

    Game 1 he drew zero pumps, just 2 Daze and 1 Spell Pierce, which was enough although had i not been Black mana screwed, i would have cast Toxic Deluge and been able to win the game a turn sooner than he could. Game 2 i kept a hand of 4 lands Deluge Chalice Chalice and landed Chalice for 1 on turn Zero. He proceeded to lay down (on a mulligan to 5 no less) two Inkmoth Nexus. And that is literally all it took. 0-2 MEGA

    No, you are not missing a piece of the game. I drew five lands and a third Chalice of the Void. The deck has never failed me so miserably before this match (colored mana constraint/absolute brick on six draws). I am truly upset that it occurred when it did, but i consider it more of an abberation than proof positive of a bad matchup.

    4 Eldrazi Mimic
    4 Endless One
    3 Matter Reshaper
    3 Eldrazi Displacer
    4 TKS
    4 Reality Smasher

    4 Chalice of the Void
    3 Mox Diamond
    2 Warping Wail
    2 Toxic Deluge
    2 Umezawas Jitte

    4 Ancient Tomb/Cavern of Souls/Caves of Koilos/Eldrazi Temple
    3 Eye of Ugin/City of Traitors
    1 Karakas/Urborg/Petrified Field (shouldve been Urborg 2, needs to be Karakas 2 once available)

    SB
    3 Containment Priest
    1 Eldrazi Displacer
    1 Warping Wail
    1 Dismember
    3 Thorn of Amethyst
    1 All is Dust
    1 Coercive Portal
    4 Leyline of the Void

    I would change only a Containment Priest to a second Dismember and add Urborg over Petrified Field. Otherwise, deck ran smoothly all day and Reshaper pulled its weight big time.
    Good job man ! i couldn't make it today. i am on the C/w version with just displacer, Its been great, i've only done 3 tournaments with it but I've gone 3-2. 3-1 , and 3-1 and the last one should have been 4-0 but i'm bad at magic...still think this deck is the best deck in the format .I'm going to try 2 all is dust in the board just because i haven't tried it yet. Congrats on the finish!

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    You guys are doing great! Maaan, I can't wait to join you guys with the white version. The Displacers, Karakas and Jittes are ordered, but I still haven't ordered the World Breakers... For now, I am with Braids Stax for two to four weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Coercive Portal will always a draw engine unless it's an advantage for the opponent.
    Carnage will only resolve if both you and your opponent vote for it. Otherwise Homage will draw you a card. Portal should be viewed as an asymmetric Howling Mine and nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Coercive Portal will always a draw engine unless it's an advantage for the opponent.

    As for the Infect match-up, it's relevant to know what lands you kept G2. Was there a Factory among them? Keeping a hand with zero threats against a deck you need to race sounds like a really underwhelming plan.


    Barook- Zero Factories/Wastelands in the deck probably hurt this matchup a bit, but then again-- how many times are you gonna draw 6 non-threat cards in this deck with 22-20 threats even post board if a few come out? Again, i do not take this loss as gospel for the matchup, just a poor decision by me to keep my hand with zero threats. Would i do it again? Almost certainly given the matchup ( Deluge is great vs the x/1 deck that doesnt beat via traditional damage and Chalice is a wreck agaimst them also ) but in the future i will think twice before keeping a zero threat hand even if i have all the lockout.

    Honestly, i would probably run only the two changes i mentioned-- i would easily run this back at SCG Philly and probably be 6-0 instead of 5-1. This deck is Tier 1 period.

    Oh and FYI-- totally wrote Barook and Riehu next to my name for Deck Designer because duh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thereisnocomp2 View Post
    Barook- Zero Factories/Wastelands in the deck probably hurt this matchup a bit, but then again-- how many times are you gonna draw 6 non-threat cards in this deck with 22-20 threats even post board if a few come out? Again, i do not take this loss as gospel for the matchup, just a poor decision by me to keep my hand with zero threats. Would i do it again? Almost certainly given the matchup ( Deluge is great vs the x/1 deck that doesnt beat via traditional damage and Chalice is a wreck agaimst them also ) but in the future i will think twice before keeping a zero threat hand even if i have all the lockout.

    Honestly, i would probably run only the two changes i mentioned-- i would easily run this back at SCG Philly and probably be 6-0 instead of 5-1. This deck is Tier 1 period.

    Oh and FYI-- totally wrote Barook and Riehu next to my name for Deck Designer because duh.
    in my experience with the infect match up i would say we're about 70-30 to win i woulda kept the lock out hand as well , inkmoth, daze,become immense and invigorate are the cards that tend to win after a resolved chalice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thereisnocomp2 View Post
    Barook- Zero Factories/Wastelands in the deck probably hurt this matchup a bit, but then again-- how many times are you gonna draw 6 non-threat cards in this deck with 22-20 threats even post board if a few come out? Again, i do not take this loss as gospel for the matchup, just a poor decision by me to keep my hand with zero threats. Would i do it again? Almost certainly given the matchup ( Deluge is great vs the x/1 deck that doesnt beat via traditional damage and Chalice is a wreck agaimst them also ) but in the future i will think twice before keeping a zero threat hand even if i have all the lockout.

    Honestly, i would probably run only the two changes i mentioned-- i would easily run this back at SCG Philly and probably be 6-0 instead of 5-1. This deck is Tier 1 period.

    Oh and FYI-- totally wrote Barook and Riehu next to my name for Deck Designer because duh.
    I think forcing black at the cost of not running Factories is the wrong decision. Note that Dismember could have hit one Inkmoth, slowing your opponent down.

    Another two consecutive wins in league, 3-0 so far, 21-2 in total, 1889 rating. Getting close.

    R2 was Sneak & Show. Probably would have lost G2 if my opponent hadn't screwed up his stops and didn't try to block with a sneaked in Griselbee after blockers are declared while I was under a Blood Moon. What is worrying me though is that all new lists have 4 Monastery Mentor in the SB. Bringing in All is Dust might become mandatory in the future.

    R3 was Miracles. It was a one-sided slaughter. But who right in their mind keeps in Counterbalance vs Eldrazi after boarding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    I think forcing black at the cost of not running Factories is the wrong decision. Note that Dismember could have hit one Inkmoth, slowing your opponent down.

    Another two consecutive wins in league, 3-0 so far, 21-2 in total, 1889 rating. Getting close.

    R2 was Sneak & Show. Probably would have lost G2 if my opponent hadn't screwed up his stops and didn't try to block with a sneaked in Griselbee after blockers are declared while I was under a Blood Moon.What is worrying me though is that all new lists have 4 Monastery Mentor in the SB. Bringing in All is Dust might become mandatory in the future.

    R3 was Miracles. It was a one-sided slaughter. But who right in their mind keeps in Counterbalance vs Eldrazi after boarding?
    Still on the same build?

    You looking to build your version in paper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CovenantElite30 View Post
    Still on the same build?

    You looking to build your version in paper?
    Yes, same build. Never change a running system. Right now, there's no need to change cards as I keep winning.

    I very well might be building this deck in paper, too, but I'm currently waiting for the EMA release to see if Karakas (and maybe Cavern/Chalice) get cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Yes, same build. Never change a running system. Right now, there's no need to change cards as I keep winning.

    I very well might be building this deck in paper, too, but I'm currently waiting for the EMA release to see if Karakas (and maybe Cavern/Chalice) get cheaper.
    I'm feeling Jitte will for sure see a reprint. And also that Karakas won't see a reprint. I picked up 3 at $100 a Kraks, which was pretty far from where it was before the EMA rumors. If I'm wrong, chalk up $300 to my gut. Lol.

    EDIT: as for the list, I'm suggesting using Corrupted Crossroads over Brushland. Reason behind it is to hide colors, and you can use other colored eldrazi spells as well. We aren't actually using non-eldrazi white and green mana for anything else.

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    Hi Barook,
    I played your list in a local tournament today. Very impressive!

    One thing I was having problems with was Blood Moon out of miracles SB. They seem to be easily able to force All is Dust. Or Jace-lock you. or do other mean things ;)

    Do you think it is entirely unreasonable to play Wastes instead of the Factories?

    I liked the Factories a lot, but I don't think you can afford to cut colored sources. And I think I want the additional Moon protection.
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    Re: [DTB] Eldrazi Stompy

    Quote Originally Posted by spirit of the wretch View Post
    Hi Barook,
    I played your list in a local tournament today. Very impressive!

    One thing I was having problems with was Blood Moon out of miracles SB. They seem to be easily able to force All is Dust. Or Jace-lock you. or do other mean things ;)

    Do you think it is entirely unreasonable to play Wastes instead of the Factories?

    I liked the Factories a lot, but I don't think you can afford to cut colored sources. And I think I want the additional Moon protection.
    That entirely depends on your meta. I don't think cutting Factories is the right thing to do, as they're great vs control, including Miracles. If you're that worried, try to find some SB space for Wastes. What does your meta look like?

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    Congrats on your finishes, Barook!

    Just curious - I noticed in your side boarding guide, you don't bring in anything vs the Burn matchup for Ensnaring Bridge. Are you just gambling that they don't draw it?

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    Re: [DTB] Eldrazi Stompy

    I haven't encountered Burn enough to be aware that they run Bridge. In that case, World Breaker might come in, although the idea of putting that many nonbasics into play to cast it doesn't sit too well with me.

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    Re: [DTB] Eldrazi Stompy

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    I haven't encountered Burn enough to be aware that they run Bridge. In that case, World Breaker might come in, although the idea of putting that many nonbasics into play to cast it doesn't sit too well with me.
    Thanks!

    Bridge seems to be getting to be more common for them to play (maybe in response to the Rise of the Eldrazi? Ha, ha).

    I was just curious about your list is all since you weren't running Ratchet Bombs.

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    Bridge is a long-time staple in Burn sideboards for Show'n'Tell/Reanimator-style strategies but the influx of Eldrazi is probably increasing the numbers further; I wouldn't be surprised if it were in literally every Burn sideboard in the near future.

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    Even then, they still can jam it down on T3 the earliest, so you have a window to take it with TKS beforehand. Bomb wouldn't be a good solution anyway, considering how it's a target for Smash to Smithereens and taking a whooping 4 turns to blow it up.

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