[Primer] Eldrazi Stompy

[maraxusofkelds]

It just occurred to me, you could flicker a TKS in response to a miracle trigger - and exile the Terminus/Entreat before they can cast it.

Doing it on your opponents draw step every turn when you have board position is like a better fateseal. Exile their best draw every turn. I do it less vs white decks in case I need it as a response to swords though.

[Barook]

Another league run, but this one had the worst luck ever, 1-4:

R1: BUG Delver (with red for Bolts) 0-2 (ridiculous good draws - when even a T0 Leyline + T1 Chalice + T2 uncounterable TKS isn't enough to stop him in the slightest, you know the luck isn't on your side)
R2: Miracles 0-2 (had all the right answers at the right time, Mentor build)
R3: Sneak & Show with Omni 1-2 (G1 he had a T2 kill with S&T --> Omni --> Grisel --> draw, Emra, dead. He did the same thing in G3, except on T1, on the play. )
R4: TITI BUG 1-2 (didn't really know how to play against it, also got pretty unlucky)
R5: 12 Post 2-0

Serious blow to my win percentage and my rating. Can't always win, but losing like this still sucks, especially the S&T match.

[metronome2charisma]

Played a gpt today in Lancaster. Pretty boring report really.

Rd 1 esper stoneblade. He wins the roll i mulligan to 5 and he thoughtseizes me . i have two land ,two mimics , and a smasher, he takes the mimic, then surgical the other one .i top deck an end bringer ,he thought seizes again takes the smasher , plays a brainstorm. I top deck a tks play it take his stp .Next run i draw a land and play end bringer and win shortly after. Game two he wins after 2 wastelands. Game three chalice, win. (2-1)
Rd 2 Death and taxes .He gets a game loss for a deck reg error. Gm 2 i mull to 5 he wastelands me out after a turn one vial , i don't recover. Gm 3 i revoker turn 1 name vial he plays wasteland and passes. I play a tks . I see a hand of all white spells ,i take an stp and attack. Next turn he plays a Rishadan port i play and equip Jitte. (2-1)
Rd 3-4 we i.d. into top 8
TOP8
miracles Gm 1. He has an answer to my first 3 threats, i draw SEVEN land in a row. Gm 2 He has force/ blue card for chalice and thorn, snap caster -swords for my smasher and end bringer , then lands jace . I draw 4 land then dismember, he entreats for 4 , i die. got 5th.

[josch6083]

Hey everyone,

Went 5-0 on a local tournament yesterday.
Played against DnT, infect, Rug Delver, maverick and elves.
MVPs were wasteland, mishras factory and believe it or Not my two MD nevinyrrils discs.
Worst cards were 2 trinisphere.
Karakas also didnt do much.
All in all a nice demonstration of the Eldrazis power.

[Barook]

Looking at my recent results, I think Spatial Contortion might at least be worth considering as a meta SB choice if Delver is strong in your particular meta. Having Dismember as only spot removal for flipped Delvers isn't that hot in the damage race.

On a slightly different note:
One of my recent opponents was so impressed by the deck that he bought it on MTGO. Today, he told me that he did a 5-0 run in league. Guess the deck still works.

[DavidHernandez]

Hey everyone,

Went 5-0 on a local tournament yesterday.
Played against DnT, infect, Rug Delver, maverick and elves.
MVPs were wasteland, mishras factory and believe it or Not my two MD nevinyrrils discs.
Worst cards were 2 trinisphere.
Karakas also didnt do much.
All in all a nice demonstration of the Eldrazis power.

Two maindeck Disks! I've been considering maindeck All Is Dust. The disks take 5 mana and two turns for use, AiD takes 5 mana on one turn (assuming Eye) and no Amethyst or Thalia.



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[DavidHernandez]

Looking at my recent results, I think Spatial Contortion might at least be worth considering as a meta SB choice if Delver is strong in your particular meta. Having Dismember as only spot removal for flipped Delvers isn't that hot in the damage race.

On a slightly different note:
One of my recent opponents was so impressed by the deck that he bought it on MTGO. Today, he told me that he did a 5-0 run in league. Guess the deck still works.

Agreed. I dropped the Dismember in favor of Spatial Contortion and don't see a difference...except I don't lose 4 life!

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[Kami]

Yes, that works, but I don't think it has ever come up for me as they always killed either part of the combo before it became relevant.

@f7eleven: Rarely, although I double blinked TKS sometimes in the past with various builds.


How did you pull that off? Mimics/Endless Ones?

I agree it depends on your hands and the decks you play against. E.g. against Shardless BUG, a flooded board is the last thing they want to face early on.

Turn 1 mimic + displacer (via petal) - i was on the play
Turn 2 endless one
Turn 3 endless one or mimic (cant remember which one)
He could not have played sneak attack and actived it fast enough (thanks to blood moon)



Now i'm testing another build:

Lands
4 [ROE] Eldrazi Temple
3 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
2 [EX] City of Traitors
4 [AVR] Cavern of Souls
4 [TE] Ancient Tomb
1 [LG] Karakas
2 [DDF] Mishra's Factory
4 [OGW] Corrupted Crossroads (see below the reasons)

Creatures
4 [OGW] Eldrazi Mimic
4 [OGW] Reality Smasher
4 [OGW] Thought-Knot Seer
4 [OGW] Matter Reshaper
4 [BFZ] Endless One
3 [OGW] Eldrazi Displacer

Spells
1 [NPH] Dismember
2 [BOK] Umezawa's Jitte
4 [MR] Chalice of the Void
2 [OGW] Warping Wail
4 [TE] Lotus Petal

Sideboard
2 [ROE] All Is Dust
4 [GP] Leyline of the Void
2 [OGW] World Breaker
1 [MMA] Faerie Macabre (FLEX)
2 [LRW] Thorn of Amethyst
2 [OGW] Wastes
2 [OGW] Kozilek's Return

Kozilek's return has been a good board sweeper vs delver, elves, shardless, strix, deathrite, D&T (except for batterskull and serra avenger) and all sort of tokens (pyromancer, mentor, thopters etc).
It's castable with corrupted crossroads and you still get acess to world breaker.

Yes... it will kill our mimics, but in most matches that we side in KR the mimics will left the deck anyway. Reshaper is not a problem, it replaces itself if needed.

[Silverflame]

Kozilek's return has been a good board sweeper vs delver, elves, shardless, strix, deathrite, D&T (except for batterskull and serra avenger) and all sort of tokens (pyromancer, mentor, thopters etc).
It's castable with corrupted crossroads and it benefits from eldrazi temple and eye of ugin.

I believe kozilek's return will not benefit from eldrazi temple and eye because it's not Tribal - Eldrazi. But even so, it's still a good tech.

[Kami]

I believe kozilek's return will not benefit from eldrazi temple and eye because it's not Tribal - Eldrazi. But even so, it's still a good tech.

Yeah, you're right, i've tested so much cards and just got confused when writing.

Aside from that, it's working wonderfully. Makes UR and elves matchups a lot easier and it's really good against BUG and D&T too.

Other removals that i tryed and don't get enough sucess: pyroclasm, nameless inversion, sword to plowshares (with brushland or tendo), disk, obligator (works in some cases to remove blockers and do extra damage) and a few others. The best of the bunch are KR and deluge as sweepers and dismember/contortion as one target removals. KR is better than pyroclasm because you can use crossroads and still get mana for world breaker. I prefer dismember, because you can use even if you dont get <C>, and has a better range, but both are ok.

Disenchant is a really nice card as a 1-of too (if you have enough W sources).

Obs: again, sorry by my poor english. I'm learning....

[bonkotsu]

Is there any way to beat Blood Moon effects or Painter effects? We had an IQ last week and I was helpless against Imperial Painter. I have also had some struggles with D&T. I plan on taking the big squids to Columbus and whatever Classics/IQs I can do before then. I definitely need testing.

Has it become common practice to mainboard fast mana like SSG or ESG? I know a lot of people have strayed away from Mox Diamonds but aren't the guides just as rough late game?

I had been testing with Newlamog, against shardless I would just cast him, exile lands, attack exile 20, bounce with karakas, recast, repeat. Was debating on the old Kozilek to net 4 cards against decks like D&T or grindy matches. Just as a 1 of.

[ESG]

Is there any way to beat Blood Moon effects or Painter effects? We had an IQ last week and I was helpless against Imperial Painter.

Wastes. Keep in mind, though, that this is still an unfavorable matchup.

Has it become common practice to mainboard fast mana like SSG or ESG? I know a lot of people have strayed away from Mox Diamonds but aren't the guides just as rough late game?

You should be the aggressor in all non-combo matchups and aim to win in the early game. There isn't a consensus on the type of fast mana, but those specific choices should be informed by your splash color (if any), your overall land count, and whether you are running Thorn of Amethyst or Trinisphere.

[Secretly.A.Bee]

How does a singleton Emrakul and a singleton Wastes not just shore up both of these cards?

[maraxusofkelds]

How does a singleton Emrakul and a singleton Wastes not just shore up both of these cards?

I've been running a single newlamog in place of one of the world breakers. At least world breaker is uncastable if blood moon is out, unlike newlamog. In addition, newlamog is incredible in other slow grindy matchups since by the time you can use eye's fetch ability, you are able to hard cast him anyway.

[ZEROorDIE]

This deck doesn't really make Emrakul mana.

Made another 3-0 rUN last night at my LGS. still running mono <C>.

Matches were:
D&T- 2-1
G1- mull to 5. We both start playing little guys, he wastes my ancient tomb, i wail a stoneforge but 2 turns later he vials in serra avenger then casts and equips jitte. I play mine the next turn but he wins the jitte race.
G2 I play 2 mimics though eye, follow up w a 4/4 endless one and kill him.
G3 a bit grindier, but similar, I get rid of a councils judgement w TKS and beat him to death with reality smasher

Shardless- 2-1
G1- I play a pair of mimcs and a TKS, he plays three goyfs, I lose
G2- TKS and a huge endless one. I boarded out mimics and some other stuff for 3 revoker, 3 trinisphere.
G3 I play a t1 trinisphere with factory, ssg, ssg and pray he doesn't force. He doesn't, I follow up with 2 mimics and a chalice on 1. Beat him to death with mimics.

Food chain combo- 2-1
G1- 4/4 endless one into TKS into a 6/6 endless one.
G2- I have the board loaded, he has tasigur and gurmag, I miscalculated my combat math and punted the game aaway(I was at 4 from ancient tomb, he was at 19). I had 2 TKS, a smasher, 2 revoker, and a 6/6 endless one.
G3- thorn into mimic, mimic, into TKS, into smasher. gg.

Many many Mulligans, but it all worked out in the end.

[Barook]

I've been running a single newlamog in place of one of the world breakers. At least world breaker is uncastable if blood moon is out, unlike newlamog. In addition, newlamog is incredible in other slow grindy matchups since by the time you can use eye's fetch ability, you are able to hard cast him anyway.

You can almost never cast Ulamog even with normal mana. How exactly do you plan on getting 10 mana under Blood Moon?

[ESG]

How does a singleton Emrakul and a singleton Wastes not just shore up both of these cards?

I think people overlooked what I assume you were aiming for: The Emrakul isn't meant to be cast; it prevents you from being decked by Painter, assuming you haven't drawn it. This is solid, but it would be too much of a cost to run preboard. SB, sure, if you plan on facing Painter. A singleton Wastes depends on how good you are at drawing it. I like the matchup more the more Wastes I have in my deck, but unless you have many in your deck, there will still be a majority of games where Painter Moons you and it becomes almost solitaire. Painter's Servant plus a bunch of blasts and Ensnaring Bridge is also quite strong. Painter by itself shuts down the Eldrazi Sol lands (because your Eldrazi aren't colorless anymore).

[darkgh0st]

I was trying to look for the reason in this forum why Containment Priest was dropped and can't seem to find it here. The latest White Eldrazi in mtgtop8 features her as a 2/2 split. Why was she dropped again? Thanks in advance.

[Secretly.A.Bee]

I think people overlooked what I assume you were aiming for: The Emrakul isn't meant to be cast; it prevents you from being decked by Painter, assuming you haven't drawn it. This is solid, but it would be too much of a cost to run preboard. SB, sure, if you plan on facing Painter. A singleton Wastes depends on how good you are at drawing it. I like the matchup more the more Wastes I have in my deck, but unless you have many in your deck, there will still be a majority of games where Painter Moons you and it becomes almost solitaire. Painter's Servant plus a bunch of blasts and Ensnaring Bridge is also quite strong. Painter by itself shuts down the Eldrazi Sol lands (because your Eldrazi aren't colorless anymore).

Yes, thank you, that was in fact what I meant. I see your points, and they make good sense. I'm getting close to playing eldrazi, what is the most Wastes tested that still let's the build work?

[Eldariel]

Yes, thank you, that was in fact what I meant.

Oldlamog and Oldzilek have the same ability; considering their casting costs aren't quite as ridiculous, there's some merit to running either instead in case you end up drawing it. I doubt you're casting Emrakul any time soon but perhaps once in a blue moon, Oldzilek or even Oldlamog may be castable.