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    Re: [DTB] Grixis Tempo

    Here is the sideboard:

    2 Forked Bolt
    2 Painful Truths
    2 Winter Orb (also tried clique and vexing shusher in this spot, they are all about the same strength)
    2 Invasive Surgery
    2 Pyroblast
    1 Surgical Extraction
    1 Cabal Therapy
    1 Fire Covenant
    1 Pithing Needle
    1 Ancient Grudge

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    Re: [DTB] Grixis Tempo

    Quote Originally Posted by ironclad8690 View Post
    Here is the sideboard:

    2 Forked Bolt
    2 Painful Truths
    2 Winter Orb (also tried clique and vexing shusher in this spot, they are all about the same strength)
    2 Invasive Surgery
    2 Pyroblast
    1 Surgical Extraction
    1 Cabal Therapy
    1 Fire Covenant
    1 Pithing Needle
    1 Ancient Grudge
    Are 2 Orb 2 Truths not antisynergistic? We want them in the same MU's (exept for lands).
    Drawing Truths when your orb is on the battlefield is not that great...I think one way to fight Miracles & Shardless is better, so the value strategie with truths or the tempo strategie with orb. They working not great together.

    But I like your idea of cutting the 2 Strixes from the SB in place for 2 Forked Bolt. They help so much vs Elves, DnT and in the mirror.

    I also think that Invasive Surgery is criminally underplayed, so I like this 2 off alot.
    It's so versatile and the perfect home for Grixis because with probes & therapys it's more likely to activate Delirium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manipulato View Post
    Are 2 Orb 2 Truths not antisynergistic? We want them in the same MU's (exept for lands).
    Drawing Truths when your orb is on the battlefield is not that great...I think one way to fight Miracles & Shardless is better, so the value strategie with truths or the tempo strategie with orb. They working not great together.

    But I like your idea of cutting the 2 Strixes from the SB in place for 2 Forked Bolt. They help so much vs Elves, DnT and in the mirror.

    I also think that Invasive Surgery is criminally underplayed, so I like this 2 off alot.
    It's so versatile and the perfect home for Grixis because with probes & therapys it's more likely to activate Delirium.
    I've found the Strix super good tbh. Specially against Eldrazi, it's just beautiful in that matchup (the forked bolt is not going to do a lot there). I think this SB might be into something interesting though, I guess it's better suited against the mirror and that could be very powerful in MTGO with so many Delver lists running around (although, I think it might actually be too much?). I'm running Noah's SB and been very happy with it, the Strix, while not as back-breaking as the Forked Bolt, it's pretty darn good in the mirror too (and a lot of Matchups).

    ironclad couple of questions:

    * how are those 2x True-Name Nemesis running for you? Could you elaborate on how they run? I currently run 1 Main Deck, and it's interesting, been pretty good, but I dunno' if I would like 2x MD.
    * what about 2x Forked Bolt, you mention you bring them in a lot. Care to elaborate? (Mirror, Berserk Poison, elves I guess? anything else?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonDark View Post
    I've found the Strix super good tbh. Specially against Eldrazi, it's just beautiful in that matchup (the forked bolt is not going to do a lot there). I think this SB might be into something interesting though, I guess it's better suited against the mirror and that could be very powerful in MTGO with so many Delver lists running around (although, I think it might actually be too much?). I'm running Noah's SB and been very happy with it, the Strix, while not as back-breaking as the Forked Bolt, it's pretty darn good in the mirror too (and a lot of Matchups).

    ironclad couple of questions:

    * how are those 2x True-Name Nemesis running for you? Could you elaborate on how they run? I currently run 1 Main Deck, and it's interesting, been pretty good, but I dunno' if I would like 2x MD.
    * what about 2x Forked Bolt, you mention you bring them in a lot. Care to elaborate? (Mirror, Berserk Poison, elves I guess? anything else?)
    The Strix is better vs Edlrazi for sure and really solid in all Delver mirrors but outside of that Forked Bolt is stronger. Forked Bolt is super strong vs Elves & DnT where Strix does nothing...Itīs also really good in Delver mirrors (Shaman, Delver, YP + token).
    Iīm not saying Strix is bad, it has itīs place in a Eldrazi flooded meta, but I personally like the Bolt more because I face DnT & Elves alot in my locals. Those decks are also quite popular here in Germany.
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    Re: [DTB] Grixis Tempo

    Quote Originally Posted by MoonDark View Post
    ironclad couple of questions:

    * how are those 2x True-Name Nemesis running for you? Could you elaborate on how they run? I currently run 1 Main Deck, and it's interesting, been pretty good, but I dunno' if I would like 2x MD.
    * what about 2x Forked Bolt, you mention you bring them in a lot. Care to elaborate? (Mirror, Berserk Poison, elves I guess? anything else?)
    The 2 True-Names were one of the things that first attracted me to the deck when JPA's list was originally posted. While great in many fair matchups, the main reason I like them is because of Miracles. They have a harder time countering them than the other threats with Counterbalance, and they also require the miracles player to find a Terminus or die. This can make the Snap-Swords half of their plan dead, and sometimes this converts into wins.

    I bring in forked bolt against pretty much any matchup having anything to do with creatures. I will pretty frequently be able to kill an Eldrazi Mimic with them (2 is the dream, only happened a couple of times), but just having another 1 mana answer to Delver, Deathrite Shaman, Baleful Strix, YP, any elf, etc is very good. You can also sometimes chump block with some number of YP tokens and finish off something big with one, that usually feels pretty good. Thalia decks are extremely soft to Forked Bolt as well, and it is important to have cheap answers under Thalia tax. I leave them out vs Combo and Miracles.

    Also, I just finished 4-1 in another league:

    Elves: 2-1
    Miracles: 1-2
    BG Midrange Depths: 2-0
    RUG Delver: 2-1
    Eldrazi: 2-1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manipulato View Post
    The Strix is better vs Edlrazi for sure and really solid in all Delver mirrors but outside of that Forked Bolt is stronger. Forked Bolt is super strong vs Elves & DnT where Strix does nothing...Itīs also really good in Delver mirrors (Shaman, Delver, YP + token).
    Iīm not saying Strix is bad, it has itīs place in a Eldrazi flooded meta, but I personally like the Bolt more because I face DnT & Elves alot in my locals. Those decks are also quite popular here in Germany.
    I can totally understand that. In a DnT + Elves flooded meta, I would totally run 2x Forked in the SB.

    Quote Originally Posted by ironclad8690 View Post
    The 2 True-Names were one of the things that first attracted me to the deck when JPA's list was originally posted. While great in many fair matchups, the main reason I like them is because of Miracles. They have a harder time countering them than the other threats with Counterbalance, and they also require the miracles player to find a Terminus or die. This can make the Snap-Swords half of their plan dead, and sometimes this converts into wins.

    I bring in forked bolt against pretty much any matchup having anything to do with creatures. I will pretty frequently be able to kill an Eldrazi Mimic with them (2 is the dream, only happened a couple of times), but just having another 1 mana answer to Delver, Deathrite Shaman, Baleful Strix, YP, any elf, etc is very good. You can also sometimes chump block with some number of YP tokens and finish off something big with one, that usually feels pretty good. Thalia decks are extremely soft to Forked Bolt as well, and it is important to have cheap answers under Thalia tax. I leave them out vs Combo and Miracles.

    Also, I just finished 4-1 in another league:

    Elves: 2-1
    Miracles: 1-2
    BG Midrange Depths: 2-0
    RUG Delver: 2-1
    Eldrazi: 2-1
    Congrats on the finish!

    I run 1x Nemesis main, and true, against Miracles it's just very good. They have to terminus, no StP option. I wonder if running 2x MD is too much though, the meta is full of wastelands, so I guess in the miracles matchup you can always cut a wasteland and bring an extra nemesis from the SB?

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    Do you guys keep or cut Stifle against D&T? Most people I've talked to cut them, but I actually like having them to deal with SFM/Batterskull/Flickerwisp and sometimes just to stifle a wasteland. I generally prefer it over Force of Will in the matchup.
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    Personally I really hate stifling a Stoneforge-trigger. If they have another equipment in hand I still have to kill it, otherwise I lose, right? Also postboard I'd rather have the actual answers, especially when you're also playing Therapy which is awesome against SFM.
    stifling a flickerwisp or wasteland is nice of course, but too situational imo to be reliable, especially with Rishadan Port and Thalia.
    I prefer 1-2 FoW because D&T tends to have some trump cards in the long game, it also stops RIP.

    My style of playing is also more value-oriented than other people's who go more aggressive. If you have 2-for-1s in form of Ancient Grudge, Cabal Therapy, Grim Lavamancer and better card selection via brainstorm and darkblast that's not necessary though imo.

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    Re: [DTB] Grixis Tempo

    Quote Originally Posted by ironclad8690 View Post
    , I just finished 4-1 in another league:

    Elves: 2-1
    Miracles: 1-2
    BG Midrange Depths: 2-0
    RUG Delver: 2-1
    Eldrazi: 2-1
    Congrats!

    Really pissed right now; went 4-1 twice in a row and started another league today to try to qualify. Started off at 2-0 and then won game 1 against BUG Delver. The client was glitchy, not responding to my clicks every once and a while. Then it kicks me off, I try to login a few times, doesn't work. Got back in again, and a couple minutes later I got kicked again and could never get back in. I obviously lost the match and I don't think I'll have another chance to qualify for this goddamn tournament because the fucking server kicked me off.

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    Dang, that's a huge bummer @jsr.

    I had to play 4 leagues per day when I was still trying to q, and I barely made it lol.

    Edit: I just heard that they extended the qualifying time until Friday, so you have a few more days.

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    I complained on twitter afterwards suggesting an extension, but didn't hear anything back. Source?

    I finished 3-2 this time; matched up against Big Red in the last round and got hit with T2 Blood Moon with Petal backup games 1 and 2, and then T1 Chalice on 1 game 3 for the loss. I filed for reimbursement so hopefully I can replay the match and play for packs/QP (or at least get my 120 PP back). I don't think I have time to grind another full league out. :/

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    Re: [DTB] Grixis Tempo

    Best post ever
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    Re: [DTB] Grixis Tempo

    Quote Originally Posted by jrsthethird View Post
    I complained on twitter afterwards suggesting an extension, but didn't hear anything back. Source?

    I finished 3-2 this time; matched up against Big Red in the last round and got hit with T2 Blood Moon with Petal backup games 1 and 2, and then T1 Chalice on 1 game 3 for the loss. I filed for reimbursement so hopefully I can replay the match and play for packs/QP (or at least get my 120 PP back). I don't think I have time to grind another full league out. :/
    My buddy Minniej (usually posts on the Miracles forum) told me so.

    Wait, how can you file for reimbursement? It sounds like you just had terrible luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manipulato View Post
    Best post ever
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    Re: [DTB] Grixis Tempo

    Quote Originally Posted by ironclad8690 View Post
    My buddy Minniej (usually posts on the Miracles forum) told me so.

    Wait, how can you file for reimbursement? It sounds like you just had terrible luck.
    Other players on Twitter were talking about server connection problems as well. Not to mention, if they did extend the qualifying window, it speaks to a larger problem than just my personal connection. So I think a claim for reimbursement is warranted.

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    Oh, I see, yes the connection issues definitely warrant a claim.

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    I got the 120 PP back.

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    Re: [DTB] Grixis Tempo

    Is anyone else playing in the "legacy festival championship" tomorrow?

    I am still pretty high on JPAs list, however I have been losing to clyde the glide drexler and his eldrazi taxes deck, which is like DnT but with displacer and TKS. Matchup doesnt feel good.

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    Unfortunately I'm not on MtGO yet, but I'm just buying into it (selling my duals) because I don't have much opportunity to play paper legacy.
    Is there any official coverage on this event tomorrow? Or is someone here planning to stream?

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