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    Assuming you are referring to the gearhulk...

    it's inclusion is far from random.
    The entire cycle of gearhulks will get the Expedition treatment.
    Yeah random isn't the right word, I was really just pointing out that there are going to be a lot of shitty expeditions just like the gearhulk cycle so hangarback shouldn't really be too surprising.

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    Almost positive Aether Vial will be an invention. I mean . . . it even has Aether in its name!

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    This set keeps giving!

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    The Red Gearhulk is interesting. It's playable in big red imho, as it essentially is a 6/6 that is hardcastable via ritual and it usually draw 3 and attack for 6 off sneak attack. It's unlikely people would ever risk losing the game against big red by making you not draw. Flipping an emrakul is lethal and even a a single big drop or a ritual + sneak attack can make this go for 12+ damage easily. It's possibly better than inferno titan, not that it would go in its place, but in the one of the godo/batterskull package.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gheizen64 View Post
    The Red Gearhulk is interesting. It's playable in big red imho, as it essentially is a 6/6 that is hardcastable via ritual and it usually draw 3 and attack for 6 off sneak attack. It's unlikely people would ever risk losing the game against big red by making you not draw. Flipping an emrakul is lethal and even a a single big drop or a ritual + sneak attack can make this go for 12+ damage easily. It's possibly better than inferno titan, not that it would go in its place, but in the one of the godo/batterskull package.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gheizen64 View Post
    The Red Gearhulk is interesting. It's playable in big red imho...
    Using Hoogland's list, expected damage on 3 into the graveyard is about 9, but the deck is half 0 cc, so you'll see a lot of kills and a lot of fizzles. The thing that's really missing for big red is that it doesn't have any kind of evasion.

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    Basic lands are out. Only the second Swamp looks any good imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dice_Box View Post
    Basic lands are out. Only the second Swamp looks any good imo.
    While I don't finalize our foil prices until the full set is out, these are the basics I think are going to be in highest-demand from players:

    Forest #262
    Island #254
    Plains #252
    Swamp #257

    The other eleven probably won't pull a premium value in foil.

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    While I don't finalize our foil prices until the full set is out, these are the basics I think are going to be in highest-demand from players:

    The other eleven probably won't pull a premium value in foil.
    On the topic of pricing, whats the rationale of putting in all the value towards chandra? Imo thats just making the other cards too cheap and chandra isnt jace anyway. 4 abilities but a -3 on removal kills it. I feel like this set's good cards are on sale because chandra is overpriced

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    On the topic of pricing, whats the rationale of putting in all the value towards chandra? Imo thats just making the other cards too cheap and chandra isnt jace anyway. 4 abilities but a -3 on removal kills it. I feel like this set's good cards are on sale because chandra is overpriced
    Pricing is preorders is based on supply/demand. In my financials article, I stated I didn't think the current price is sustainable. However, we sold out at $50-$60, so what do I know?

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    Cardboard-crack did note her hidden ability was "Destroy target wallet".
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss View Post
    Pricing is preorders is based on supply/demand. In my financials article, I stated I didn't think the current price is sustainable. However, we sold out at $50-$60, so what do I know?
    Preorders are generally people with more money than good sense. Of course they "overpayed" but in reality the bought the card plus the convenience fee of having it mailed as soon as the set comes out. Pretty sure Chandra settles in to the 30 dollar range once the initial rush dies down a bit. Modern speculation will keep it from getting any lower, I think.
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    The Masterpiece Series will exist at a rarity higher than mythic rare. For example, in Kaladesh, you will open a Kaladesh Inventions card roughly 1 out of every 144 boosters. (Technically, the Kaladesh booster pack says the ratio is 1:2,160 cards.) This is slightly more often than opening a premium mythic rare. These ratios may change for future sets.
    The Masterpiece Series will be reprints of existing cards with one exception. There will often be cards from that set included in the Masterpiece Series (like how the Battle for Zendikar rare dual lands were included in Zendikar Expeditions), but they will typically exist in the set in a traditional frame in their normal rarity in addition to appearing in the Masterpiece Series. Kaladesh Inventions has a cycle of five mythic rare cards that appear in the Kaladesh set. There will never be cards appearing in a Masterpiece Series that can't be found outside of it. (I'm talking, of course, about the card itself and not the particular creative/frame treatment.)
    The Masterpiece Series, both in presentation and card selection, will be tied thematically to the world appearing in the block. For instance, all of the Kaladesh Inventions will be artifact cards presented as Kaladeshi artifacts. The frame will likewise have a special treatment that ties into the theme of the block. I will be showing off some of the Kaladesh Inventions cards later in this article, so you'll get a chance to see what I'm talking about for our first Masterpiece Series. The frame treatment will be exclusive to the Masterpiece Series it appears in.
    The number of Masterpiece Series cards may fluctuate, but roughly speaking we expect each Masterpiece Series to be around 50 cards for the whole block. Kaladesh Inventions, for example, will have 30 cards in Kaladesh and 24 cards in Aether Revolt. The large set and small set in a block will have different Masterpiece cards.
    All Masterpiece Series cards are printed in English, but they do appear in non-English product.
    The expansion symbol for each Masterpiece Series will be block-specific, but distinct from the sets in that block. For example, the Masterpiece Series cards in Kaladesh and Aether Revolt will share one unique expansion symbol—they won't use the Kaladesh or Aether Revolt symbols.
    All Masterpiece cards will exist only in premium foil versions.
    Masterpiece cards are planned for Magic Online, but will not be redeemable and are not counted as part of the set. They're going to be distributed in an exciting new way, but we're not quite ready to announce what that is. Look for that announcement later this month.
    Masterpiece cards will not exist in Magic Duels.
    Masterpiece cards can be played in any Limited format they're opened in and in any Constructed format in which the card is already legal.
    Wait! Wait! Wait! Does this mean ONE card of the whole set is ONLY available as "Masterpiece"???
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    Wait! Wait! Wait! Does this mean ONE card of the whole set is ONLY available as "Masterpiece"???
    No, the next sentence explains that some Masterpiece cards will be cards from that set itself.

    There will often be cards from that set included in the Masterpiece Series (like how the Battle for Zendikar rare dual lands were included in Zendikar Expeditions), but they will typically exist in the set in a traditional frame in their normal rarity in addition to appearing in the Masterpiece Series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemnear View Post
    Wait! Wait! Wait! Does this mean ONE card of the whole set is ONLY available as "Masterpiece"???
    No, it means the exception is that they can do masterpiece versions of cards in the same set. I.e. Verdurous Gearhulk (and probably the other 4).

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    Masterpiece cards are planned for Magic Online, but will not be redeemable and are not counted as part of the set.
    RIP MTGO economy. This is huge and completely going to nuke the economy.

    Sure, BFZ was one hell of a shitty set, but unredeemable expeditions played a huge part why the EV was so crappy. MTGO prices are tied to paper prices - and paper prices can't exceed a certain threshold because otherwise, cracking packs/boxes open would be more profitable and correct the prices. If they tie a good chunk of the set's value to unredeemable cards, the rest of the sets value is going to suffer and thus, MTGO's set value. The booster prices will follow suit accordingly and tank.

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    RIP MTGO economy. This is huge and completely going to nuke the economy.
    ...and that's the best news I've heard in ten years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss View Post
    While I don't finalize our foil prices until the full set is out, these are the basics I think are going to be in highest-demand from players:

    Forest #262
    Island #254
    Plains #252
    Swamp #257

    The other eleven probably won't pull a premium value in foil.
    Im not gonna lie, I love all of those. The Island is in competition for The Best Islands of All Time.

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