Originally Posted by Stevestamopz
+1
Really enjoyed watching the stream on playback (even with your music on in the background)
Thanks! I'll have to figure a way where only I hear my shitty music lol. Good to know someone enjoyed watching, gives me more reason to wanna stick with MTGO and Maverick :)
Top 8'ed two legacy events back to back with this list I ran. (I took Josh Katine list and I changed some things up to the meta).
1 Bayou
1 Cavern of Souls
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Forest
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Gaea's Cradle
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
4 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Marsh Flats
3 Mother of Runes
1 Noble Hierarch
1 Plains
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Savannah
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Scrubland
1 Scrub Ranger
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Sylvan Library
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
1 Thrun, The Last Troll
1 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Choke
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Reclamation Sage
2 Thoughtseize
1 Toxic Deluge
2 Zealous Persecution
1 Cabal Therapy
I'll write a full T.R later on once I have some free time. Here are some mentions.
1.) Thrun beats feels so good.
2.) Zealous Persecution is at all-time high right now.
Zealous Persecution is really good sideborad card. Elves and D&T will have all thier cretures(almost) killed
Here's how I ended up in this last league:
Belcher: 0-2
Miracles: 0-2
Esperblade: 2-1
Moggcatcher: 2-0
Miracles: 2-0
First 3 matches streamed here:
https://www.twitch.tv/adelorenzi/v/93519285
Last 2:
https://www.twitch.tv/adelorenzi/v/94123951
The playback cut off towards the end of your game 1 against deathblade, I assume you lost that game? Also how have you been boarding against deathblade?, it's the one deck I seem to frequently face and am not certain on how to board for.
Annoying!
Here is the rest of Deathblade:
Part 1 https://www.twitch.tv/adelorenzi/v/93531424
Part 2 https://www.twitch.tv/adelorenzi/v/93532005
I did lose that first game, but won the next two luckily.
Out:
1 Deathrite Shaman
1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben (Can afford to cut imo vs midrange)
1 Library (good in grindy matches but not as much when they go t2 TNN and clock you)
1 Gaddock Teeg (only Jace and FOW are not enough IMO)
In:
2 Choke
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Abrupt Decay
No idea if this is correct. I think 1-2 Zealous Persecution might be worth it too, but I can't figure out what to cut.
1 StP? There is other way to kill TNN and Zealous can kill Sprits and other cretures.
It's always correct to bring in zealous persecution against deathblade and everything that kills jitte
You guys both have good points. I like having 4 STP left in the deck for Creeping Tar Pit and Deathrite Shaman mostly. I will use on on a stoneforge mystic if it means the difference between Batterskull or none for several turns.
I probably should bring in more outs to TNN and Jitte (And opposing sweepers).
Whelp, another 3-2
https://www.twitch.tv/adelorenzi/v/94308738
Aluren: 1-2
Infect: 0-2
Elves: 2-0
Shardless: 2-0
Miracles: 2-0
I made some mistakes vs the first two.
Here is an interesting choice vs Infect g2:
You have the option to equip jitte to knight and swing or wasteland his karakas and follow up with Thalia.
Which do you pick and why?
I don't like the Wasteland plan when he has that many cards in hand and a Library. Doing nothing with Knight to pressure this turn seems wrong. Equipping Jitte and swinging isn't lethal but it puts him to 2 (no blocks assuming), which means he can't use Library to draw extra gas. If he does block, blocking with NH is -1 mana, no -5 life, -1/1 Exalted trigger, adds another to the graveyard for BI and such. Either way (block or no block), Jitte is getting counters unless he has an Apostle's Blessing type card to have KotR deal no damage, which wastes a spell, forces a fetch or 2 life but leaves us open to respond to the Blessing with say a StP or something. Also having up WB does make him think you could have ZP which could be a huge swing if he blocks, Blessings up to save Jitte counters, and in response you ZP. Attacking with Knight forces him to act.
Tapping Knight to get a Thalia into play (and buffing Knight by 2) seems ok, but the fact he has 2 lands in play + NH and 4 cards in hand + LIBRARY. If he needed, he would/should have access to 4 mana next turn which is probably enough for 2 ish spells through Thalia given some of the freebies, BI, and regular pump. Wasteland gets you a Thalia on board, but I don't think that gives you as much when they have access to so many free spells and that much mana already. Also the First Strike protection from Thalia is meh if he gets pro white or goes bigger with trample with one of the two spells.
Unless he puts a lot of effort into making Jitte NOT getting counters, you having Jitte counters means trying to kill G Elf on this turn (which I like). Again, they have a Library so letting them see more cards is no good, so pulling the trigger on the Jitte counters now and either 1. Killing Elf and being ok, 2. Elf lives and he uses ~2 cards in hand to protect it just loses him so much action.
Keep the pressure up, Jitte on Knight and go for the face.
Do you guys board in Pithing Needles? Also what does everyone take out against Deathblade? That's been the hardest part for me.
I played Maverick tonight and played against Deathblade in the first round. Won game 1 on play. cut 3 Thalia HCs, 2 mom and a scooze to get in 1 zealous, 1 E plague, 1 rec sage, 1 grip, 2 needles (jace, tar pit, Lili). Felt that THC on the draw was too slow, mom was too low impact.
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Anyone here going to EE5 (External Extravaganza 5)?
I would like for those who are going to discuss game plan and what your list looks like.
Also, I've been thinking about this now and I want to hear feedback.
I am thinking of creating a "Tharben University" blog, but for Maverick. Any thoughts?
Good question....Here is an interesting choice vs Infect g2:
You have the option to equip jitte to knight and swing or wasteland his karakas and follow up with Thalia.
Which do you pick and why?
I'm trying to interpret icons. Opponent clearly at 7 life...interpreting the little symbols in the corner as 44 cards in deck. 4 card hand?
I can't make out his graveyard -- which is actually relevant to the decision. He burned 1 of each pump spell. I am assuming you're at 0 poison, since I cannot find that info (and/or I'm oblivious).
Also assuming your list is 1x Scryb Ranger. The one in the grave is the only one in the deck?
My ideal line is actually
1. GSZ for Scryb
2. Attack with Knight
3. Untap knight (bounce Bayou to hand). Lets you keep Knight as a blocker or fetch wasteland by sacrificing Scrubland (would need to feel him out to see if he's sandbagging a crop rotation though)
4. Replay the Bayou as "the land for the turn" (again, assuming you didn't play any of the lands on the table)
^^In a perfect world, the Knight forces him to block shit with Scryb in play. If he has no blockers, you have a backdoor lethal-damage situation (scryb untaps knight to wasteland your own nonbasic and deal lethal). If he blocks, you profit. If he removes KotR with removal, you are +1 blocker on the rebound.
I'm assuming a lot for my realistic answer. Going to assume you DO NOT have another Scryb Ranger in the deck. So GSZ --> Scryb #2 is out.
I'd hesitate on slamming Jitte. Any removal or bounce (he has 1 submerge already) is going to spell GG.
1. GSZ with the Bayou (X=0) for Dryad Arbor.
2. Thalia played from hand with 2 white lands
3. Swing with Knight
^^I like GSZ for Arbor here because it ruins his math/ways to hit you during subsequent turns. Also lets you have another attacker/mana next turn. You are playing around removal/bounce. Thalia on top of this means he likely cannot double pump AND remove your dude. it's too much mana. Thalia also has first strike, which influences his bluff ability. She's yet another creature on the table. You likely win when you untap.
My logic is that I'm mitigating the removal/bounce of KotR. Jitte looks amazing for a hot second. If jitte is stifled/knight is bounced or removed, you possibly lose the game.
The opponent has a Karakas in play that is untapped. By not getting a Wasteland with the active KotR, the opponent can end step bounce your Thalia back to hand with their Karakas and then not have to play around the extra mana issue.
The only thing I am seeing after playing a few days in a row now, is I miss Crop Rotation and Maze of Ith tricks with KotR. A lot of the time I have a KotR now a days it just sits on defense, or is an instant trick to get a Wasteland in the middle of some shenanigans. I might try swapping out the one of Library and Thalia 3CMC in my list for 2 Crop Rotations just to see what it's like. In this case I might also want to add in the Maze and a Bojuka Bog, but that's diluting the mana a bit more. Dunno if I would cut like Forest #2 for Bog, and dunno what I would cut for the Maze.
Knight's ability is what makes me love this deck so much, esp. with Scryb Ranger's untap. The problem is Knight is such a big target most games I never get to have fun with Knight... makes me think a quicker option like Crop Rotation would be fun.
Wow I totally brain-farted about this. I apologize for not recognizing the alt. art Karakas/reading the land twice.
I think I'd still go with GSZ -> Arbor + play Thalia (assuming Scryb #2 isn't in the deck -- she's the best choice IMO).
Maybe GSZ for an exalted dude like QPM (upside to eliminate the Library next turn) or your own Noble (brings him down to 1...means fetching is lethal).
I wouldn't wasteland Karakas because I think you need to attack (in general). Attacking means he likely blocks. If not, the damage from KotR functionally disables Sylvan Library from giving the opponent that extra card to pull ahead/suddenly end you.
There's also the counterpoint about Knight land-tutoring being met with submerge and/or stifle. Although the chances are small, they aren't improbable. The upside of burning Karakas isn't worth losing KotR, who is controlling the game.
There are ways you can also straight win the game (Safekeeper for example wins on the spot), but I'm assuming he is not in the list.
Maze of Ith hasn't been seen in a while. That would be a conservative/defensive choice to heavily mitigate the opponent from touching you with poison damage, given the board-state.
Finished 3-2 in my last league running this list: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/489760#online. Was able to stream all of it and have really enjoyed streaming. It makes me think through my plays a bit more and helps me find stuff I wouldn't see. I'm going to continue to stream whenever I play just to build that knowledge up.
R1: 0-2 Grixis Delver. Game 1 he had all the tempo and I couldn't build a board. Game 2 I had a bad keep (I'm still thinking GW old Mav) and got punished bad for it.
R2: 2-0 ANT. Thalia turn 2 with Wastelands is real strong. Game 2 was sideboard city, TS his ITutor, then Thalia into Canonist into Teeg = easy game. I am actually feeling good about combo (more on this later).
R3: 2-1 Turbo Depths. G1 he just had the combo with Hexmage and PNeedle every chance I had. G2 was won on the back of Wastelands and a Swords TP on the 20/20, while having a decent enough clock to finish off the extra life. G3 was a bit more grindy with PNeedle on both sides, I was able to find answers for his though. I had just enough time to squeeze in damage to win the match. This one was an odd one because the angle they attack on is so different.
R4: 0-2 Bant. G1 I had a real bad keep and got uber punished. Conceded early before I knew what to board in... big mistake. G2 he dropped a TNN and eventually got a Jitte on it, I had no way to stop it. He cleaned me up pretty fast with TNN and 4 StP for any threat I had to build on.
R5: 2-1 Miracles. G1 he got the CounterTop lock down and I scooped it up after a few turns. Game 2-3 I was able to stick a Thalia to slow them down enough and then stick a Gaddock Teeg to stop Jace, Terminus, etc. I love Gaddock Teeg.... like a lot.... card is so good! Game 3 I was able to resolve Garruk out of the board and he scooped quickly after.
3-2 in my first league on MTGO and with Maverick after not playing for a long time feels good. Already started my 2nd league currently sitting 2-1. The loss was a real close real great match against Infect. I don't think I made any big mistakes and neither did my opponent. It felt like one of the better Legacy games I have played in a long time. The other 2 wins were against the same guy, on ANT both times. The 2nd time against ANT, I was able to get mulligan down to a low count but had land, mana dork, GSZ, to be able to get a quick turn 2 Teeg which he scooped to. Game 2 he fizzled while going for it while I had a solid board pressuring him.
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All in all I love the deck. Haven't cast new Thalia once. Sylvan Library has been good in game 1 when I land it. Scooze wasn't really seen, I feel like DRS fills that spot and I might take Ooze out of the MD although he is greedy and good with a Cradle and a board. DRS is odd and I prefer the NH cus I'm oldschool and bad. When I and the opponent both have DRS they just kinda stare at each other and don't do anything. The 1 of Marsh Flats instead of Verdant 4 hasn't really mattered. I might want to find space for a Bojuka Bog or a Maze of Ith and possibly a Crop Rotation. Crop Rotation allows real ridiculous mind games and Knight math similar to how Affinity in Modern is insane to block against. Crop Rotation a land, get a Wasteland and Waste your own land +3 on Knight for 1 G they might not see coming.
Sideboard: Pithing Needle is great, I think I want a 3rd somewhere as it lets the games become a grind which I think we do better in given the tools we have access to. Surgical Extraction hasn't been used, but I wanna have it just in case for Life from the Loam and Reanimator type strats. Choke has been meh. Rec Sage has been good in that spot. 2 AD is nice, I want 1 in the MD I think and was debating cutting the new Thalia 3CMC for one.
-Seabass (twitch.tv/oSeabass208)
How does Safekeeper win on the spot here? Safekeeper is not like Mom in providing protection against a color, but giving Shroud. I can see having the sac outlet for Knight to get more damage but a block makes that not matter.
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