Tree of Redemption hmmmm?
That card seems pretty good against eldrazi, assuming it isn't thought knotted away.
It can block a smasher, get dismembered and still live?! I think this warrants me testing in either my flex slot or in SB. If it gets into play, most of the delver decks can't beat it either.
Regarding Sphere of Resistance, I think I'm boarding it in wayyyy too much. At this point, I think it should only be brought in for dedicated combo decks only and left in the board against Delvers (w/ wastelands) and Miracles.
Speaking of miracles, the last two times I've battled against miracles, they got me in three. Main deck back to basics...ok, you got me. :-/
I was thinking the same thing. Seems like you might as well run a shell without if you feel they aren't strong.Originally Posted by k_omega
I could have left Show and Tell in against the 4C Delver opponent, but I generally like to shave numbers of it when I'm up against decks running heavy discard. I wasn't entirely sure of his list, so I didn't know if he was running Cabal Therapy or not.
Delver without discard is a match up in which I'd keep Show and Tell in the mainboard.
Terminus and Swords to Plowshares buy me enough time against Death and Taxes that their ability to restrict my mana sources isn't that big of an issue. I just value being able to answer their hate cards, such as Cataclysm and Winter Orb, more than quickly finishing them off with a Show and Tell. Furthermore, all 27 lands in my list either fetch for or tap for mana (except for Eye of Ugin obviously), so I'll eventually get enough land drops against them to cast Primeval Titan. You just have to be patient, since you're playing the role of the control player.
Also, Containment Priest is not as effective if Show and Tell is left in the sideboard. Obviously Containment Priest is still live against Green Sun's Zenith, but Green Sun's Zenith is a better top deck later in the game, and also has utility early on to ramp into the correct colors.
I never said Show and Tell isn't a strong card...
Hrm... this deck looks eerily familiar.GJ on your Top 4
Edit: Just to add context, it seems this deck does fairly well in the Seattle area. Ive piloted it twice myself to strong finishes in the same Seattle Event Series.
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=12777&d=274098&f=LE
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=12500&d=272031&f=LE
And yes, my sideboard is all over the place.
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Haha yeah I mentioned pulling your list a couple pages ago. Good listHrm... this deck looks eerily familiar.
Edit: Just to add context, it seems this deck does fairly well in the Seattle area. Ive piloted it twice myself to strong finishes in the same Seattle Event Series.
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=12777&d=274098&f=LE
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=12500&d=272031&f=LE
And yes, my sideboard is all over the place..
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Just watched a few minutes of eeeeh's twitch stream, playing some kind of 12 Post / Nic Fit hybrid :-) didn't get his entire list, missing his 2 fatties. One must be Emrakul 1.0, can anyone tell me what the other one was?
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I can't speak for the specific video, but from the recent videos I have watched, he has been playing 1 Ulamog, and then both Emrakul's. One thing I've noticed, and have disagreed with, is his boarding out of Ulamog against delver decks. On his stream he has called Ulamog too slow, which I think is completely wrong, because even if Ulamog is countered two threats are basically guaranteed to me exiled from the game.
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Just to clarify I was talking about the new Ulamog.
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What I've been doing against delver is shaving down to 1 eldrazi, since you can defeat them with usually just a primeval titan. I've been leaving in emrakul 2.0, since it's CMC is usually the worst the same as Ulamog. I've had multiple games against delver where Ulamog/Emramul 1.0 are rotting in my hand because they are wastelanding/stifling me to kingdom come.
Speaking of delver, there is a "new" grixis delver list that runs 4x stifles, in addition to spell pierces, dazes and Forces. I played against it online and it also top 8'ed yesterday's MTGO legacy monthly. Beating this build feels significantly harder than the ones from the past.
I've also been trying 1 Tireless Tracker in the GW/NicFit shell. Overall I've been impressed, provided it A. resolves and B. lives 1 turn. It serves as a great brick wall that generates card advantage.
I ended up missing top 8 last weekend with my 12 Post / Nic Fit early game build.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles...esh-technology
I might do a youtube video just going through the games which should help out players figuring out why it is a viable build in this meta.
soo much SnT blowback these days... is it just me?what are u UG fellas running these days?
@Ehhh your build is very similar to this thread - http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...t-8Post/page14 I even notice your success with your build but had some questions about build chooses.
SnT shouldn't be your main choice of wincon. I use it mainly to chase out counterspells or put pressure on them dropping additional lands and the occasional Prime Time. Think of it as another resources to ultimately get Eye of Ugin on the board and tutor out your Eldrazi. You rather have them waste their counters on a SnT than your actual creatures.soo much SnT blowback these days... is it just me?
If you really want SnT to resolve, run boseiju who shelters all if you feel you getting getting blown out. This will also help feed into other spells you want to resolve. Lots of Meta has an anti SnT in the sideboard, if that is how it is for you, think about pulling them out.
thanks for the feedback. i agree with your comment completely.
i went 4-2 in a local (approx. 20 man) tournament. I ran a classical repeal list (without maps). I was satisfied with my win against monoR sneak, which i thought i will lose 4 sure. MoxD + repeal did some heavy lifting there. the burn match-up was turbulent involving some slaving with mindrakul and resulting in a win - funny stuff. i almost lost to miracles due to some misplays and some very fast mentors in g2 and g3, the fact that i was "mapless" didn't help. i managed to get away with a "shaky" win against a dredge variant running FoW and some kamigawa counter. i was really surprised when he forced my first crop rotation. luckily bojuka + vesuva sealed the deal eventually.
the two losses were both against eldrazi variants. i probably screwed myself with moxD in one of those games, when i missed a land drop casting it (dunno why i did that) only to get wastelanded + ratchet bombed... the build is obviously weak against the eldrazi menace. The 2 MP in the board (never saw one, except against burn - they were surprisingly useful there) were inadequate to ensure a win.
seems that i have gravely underestimated the level of the eldrazi infestation when i threw together the 75. Despite all the weaknesses of running plats (+4x SnT) it maybe the best way to go in a classical list? ugin is great but mostly useless against aggro, combo decks.
Eldrazi Stompy is tough. Ugin is useless against them so I usually side him out for either Perilous Vault or something of the sort. . MY SnT version only runs 3 MB and one in Side. Aggro you need to lean towards disrupting their speed This is why I started playing the Bant version to run Terminus. Each person Meta is a little different, feel out and you will find a good version of 12 Post that works for you. My Meta is full of Miracles, Delver, and Combo. Nobody runs the eldrazi stompy (yet).the two losses were both against eldrazi variants. i probably screwed myself with moxD in one of those games, when i missed a land drop casting it (dunno why i did that) only to get wastelanded + ratchet bombed... the build is obviously weak against the eldrazi menace. The 2 MP in the board (never saw one, except against burn - they were surprisingly useful there) were inadequate to ensure a win.
seems that i have gravely underestimated the level of the eldrazi infestation when i threw together the 75. Despite all the weaknesses of running plats (+4x SnT) it maybe the best way to go in a classical list? ugin is great but mostly useless against aggro, combo decks.
If you are dealing with lots of Aggro and Combo. Combo- Warping Wail and FoW work well against them. Aggro, if Ugin isnt working (colorless stuff) then switch a better board wipe like Perilous Vault or Terminus. Platinum Emperion is great against aggro and burn decks since it's hard to kill without Smash to Smithereens.
So yesterday was EE#5 in Baltimore, conveniently in my backyard. I showed up to the event with a GW list I've been tuning with STP's maindeck. The tweaks I've made make me feel about 50/50 against eldrazi and delver flavors.
I ended up going 3-3-1 in the 9 round event. Here are some notes:
Round 1 - UR delver. Game 1 I die to 4x monastery swiftspears. Numbers 2-4 plus bolt + chain lightning did me in. The second game he had a price once I was forced to let my glacial chasm expire. Loss #1
Round 2 - Played against the Agro Loam pilot who won the open with the deck. Each game I was one untap from victory and each time I died to precisely a 20/20 after I exhausted my removal on Knights. Loss #2.
Round 3 - Played against Miracles, soul crushed them fast enough to get lunch. Win #1.
Round 4 -Played against Agro loam. This build didn't make 20/20s so I showed them my 15/15. Win #2.
Round 5 - Played against UR delver. This time there wasn't quad of a cards. I cautiously played around PoP, which he had in hand. Win #3.
Round 6 - Played against Death and Taxes. Game 3 I drew more lands than John Avon. Loss #3.
Round 7- Played the longest game 1 against merfolk, down to 2 life, up to 20, Surviving 4 wastelands. Ended in a draw, I needed about 2 more turns to secure game 3. I gave the win away since my opponent was out of town and had friends still battling. He was packing 2x gilded drakes in addition to phanstasmal images BARF
Takeaways:
- Agro loam seems heavily favored if they are playing dark depths.
- Fighting through Sanctum Prelate, new thalia and old thalia makes D&T a significantly harder matchup.
- If I was on UG 12post, Merfolk would have killed me. Now having islands allowed me to hold primeval titans on defense (to not die).
- Tireless tracker either drew a FoW, generated 3-9 clues or died immediately to a bolt when the 1st clue was triggered. I like the inclusion as a one of but maybe there is something better out there.
I'm curious what are the tweaks you made. I've been moving away from Ancient Stirrings to a GSZ-Veteran Explorer build myself in view of the increased prevalence of Chalices. Could you provide a list?
I know this aggro loam player, and from what I can tell that deck is heavily favored regardless of Depths provided the opponent knows what they're doing. What enabled you to win your second match against it?
a.k.a. Eddy Viscosity
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Aggro Loam is not a good match-up for post decks. If you can lock out their crucial pieces (w/ surgical extraction, Rest in Peace, Pithing Needle) then you have the game. If not, you will be rolled quickly.
I think you need to read his comment again
12-post Discord: https://discord.gg/QxYVg3g
I don't see what's the issue. Surgical and Rest in Peace messes up their wasteland/Punishing Fire recursion. Pithing Needle on Liliana or on Knight slow that whole beast down as well. This leaves them with trying to kill you with Deathrite or Scavenging ooze which is easy for post to deal with.
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