Both lists have put up results and its still out on which version is better. I am on a similar list to gRR's right now, but I do miss the ability that unmask gives me being both a way to pitch a card or using it to take a card from their hand.Originally Posted by Darksteel
My only shift from his list is:
-1 Badlands
-1 Mountain
+1 Fetch
+Scrubland - this week testing for wear//tear in sideboard, otherwise it was bayou, or swamp/badlands
-1 Sire
+1 Archtype of Endurance
I run 2 Collective Brutality so last spot is
+1 Free spot for 3rd Collective Brutality/Animate Dead/Thoughtseize/Unmask #1 (testing unmask in this spot right now for the extra discard, also fine with Animate dead here as well, shuffle rng has been favoring no reanimate effects for my draws this past few weeks :()
-3rd Brutality is most likely correct, but unmask has never let me down on being just awesome,
What you cut is based on your matchup, I cut collective brutality/thoughtseize/-1 exhume/-1 reanimate. Creature cuts usually falls around -1 GB at least maybe another creature, for the sideboard creatures you want to bring in like blazing archon vs eldrazi, elesh norn, iona, I like to keep 3 GB in at all times,
If they are an abrupt decay deck I trim animate dead next for whatever next card you bring in. I feel like the core deck is plenty fast and can race out most hate so might as well stick to that.
Played in a local 1K today. First time ever playing the deck, been super hyped about it since I saw the list before Eternal weekend with Unmasks and Sire of Insanity. Played the Michael like from Eternal Weekend.
The two matches I lost today were to insane draws by Shardless BUG and then my own misplay against DnT of reanimating Tidesprout Tyrant instead of Chacnellor of the Annex.
That being said, I'm not quite sure I understnad how to sideboard. I never wanted to see sneak attack and rarely saw very effective hate other than Containment Priest or deathrite shaman. Is playing sideboard removal bad like snuff out or just overloading on threats like I saw higher up in the thread with more sire of insantiy in the sideboard?
Hey there folks,
4-2'd yesterday at Catalan Legacy League with the BR Reanimator list I've been playing last weeks, finishing 14th from 60 players. I have a lot of comments to say, but today I don't have the time. I'll try to write some thoughts tomorrow. Just one thing: This deck is really, really good, regardlessly of the version (SSG or not, Unmask or not, creature selection). By now I'll just post a better picture of my version
More about this tomorrow, I hope!
Colorless is the new blue
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Hi,
I get interested in the Reanimator archetype.
Looking at RB and UB lists, I wonder what's the real reason to play red over blue splash in this archetype.
Most RB lists only play Faithless Looting as the only red spell (in the mainboard).
Careful Study does the same job, doesn't it? (well, except the lack of flashback, but does it really matter?)
Some lists play Insolent Neonate, but Hapless Researcher is better, because you draw before you discard.
The opening post (primer) doesn't provide any arguments other than budget reason (Badlands being cheaper than Underground Sea).
Then there's this list mentioned in the primer:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/442856#paper
Red only for Faithless Looting, no red cards in SB, but instead blue cards in SB. Why not play Careful Study with a better mana base then?
Is flashbacking Faithless Looting so important, do you do it often?
Is hardcasting Sire of Insanity a valid reason for R over U?
Are red SB options like Sneak Attack or Stronghold Gambit really more powerful than blue ones like Show and Tell? (=> don't feel better to me, and to the author of above's deck neither)
I know there's also the Burning Wish variant, but it feels like another deck for me. More storm orienteed, similar to TinFins.
So please let me understand why this deck (or rathert he Reanimator archetype) should play red over blue.
Blood Moon, Sneak Attack, REB and Pyroblast.
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Fuck. Which one of my quotes do I drop for this?
Probably main reason why red splash is simple - explosive mana thanks to SSG as petal 5-8 - if blue would have card like that red splash wouldn't be necessary.
Rather than comparing colors, you should compare blueshell consistency (pondrr, brainstorm, fow, daze, careful study) versus speed. If you trade the blueshell for speed and disruption, you are almost completely independant of any other color than black. Safe for one card, which is faithless looting, and you really need such an effect. And looting is slightly better than c-study, hence a redsplash.
Blue doesnt offer that much in the sideboard safe for show and tell, and even UB reanimatordecks do not always play the card (blowing up or disabling hate is quicker and sometimes uncounterable, and leaves you with a better longterm strategy than trying a oneshot bypass with a counterable show and tell)
Insolent Neonate has discard as part of the ability's cost. Hapless Researcher has discard as part of the ability so it can be stifled. Sometimes relevant, just like how discarding with Collective Brutality is part of a cost and thus cannot be stifled.
And while I've only played one event with this deck I did find flashback on Looting useful since it is your only card to dig with.
There are two main reasons as far as I know:
1. Early tempo lists played Anger for Haste, so red over blue was necessary.
2. The deck is very very cheap if u complain it to UB lists because u need Badland instead of Usea and no other expensive stuff like Force or Show and Tell.
Sure Faithless Looting is better than Careful Study (and YES flashback matters) and Simian Spirit Guide is also very nice, but that are not the main reasons for red over blue. Now it became kind of tradition, that tempo reanimator is BR, but it's definitly possible to try out blue over red or 3c lists, I'd try them out myself but I have no Useas and will never buy some.
Read the primer again. I have a section near the top that addressed this. This is a completely different deck than UB Reanimator and plays very differently, especially with Griselbrand.
Also, flashback Looting is very good. Entomb -> Faithless Looting is a strong play when you get flooded on Entombs, creatures, or lands.
If you're wondering how I produce blue mana, I copy my opponent's Island with Thespian's Stage
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-2016 Eternal Weekend Europe won by BR Reanimator (I wrote the primer)
-2016 Eternal Weekend North America won by Turbo Dark Depths (I write about and develop the winning version specifically)
-Refiner of Hogaak Depths.
Ok, thanks for your answers. I will just work on some lists.
One new card, I just saw: Cathartic Reunion
Is it too slow at 1R? Otherwise it feels at least worth a test, no?
I did this once when I had a hand full of reanimation spells and my one-of targets (like Iona or Elesh Norn) but no way to get the targets into my graveyard. Entomb Looting, flash it back, then reanimate!
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Deck top 4'ed a scg classic. The list has unmask in it (listed as unmake). Thoughts lads?
Yes too slow, also no flashback, next reply answers
I have entomb looting as well / flashback looting several times, its a very strong line that should not be overlooked. In fact maybe 30% of my games have this happen.
Original post was the unmask list, the SSG list sans burning wish was the direction that the list that won over in Europe ran.
Unmask version has more discard
SSG list is more all in
Both lists are very good and I don't know if one list is better than the other...
The real question is what sideboards are the best if you read up a few posts we have 3 versions of sideboards now.
Nice deck Roger, you are my favourite old & bald magic player! See you soon :PHey there folks,
4-2'd yesterday at Catalan Legacy League with the BR Reanimator list I've been playing last weeks, finishing 14th from 60 players. I have a lot of comments to say, but today I don't have the time. I'll try to write some thoughts tomorrow. Just one thing: This deck is really, really good, regardlessly of the version (SSG or not, Unmask or not, creature selection). By now I'll just post a better picture of my version
More about this tomorrow, I hope!
Hey all, first time poster here. I've lurked for a bit though. I decided to finally buy into Legacy and thought B/R Reanimator looked sweet (and somewhat reasonable in price). I just finished it last week. My first time playing Legacy was actually this past weekend at the SCG Classic. Got the last cards I needed the day before and thought I'd go. I placed 4th :) Had an absolute blast. This primer and the folks on this thread helped a lot and I just wanted to say thanks :)
We were just discussing the SCG Classic open 4th place list, welcome to the forum :)
What were your matches? Would you make any changes at all to the main or SB?
Any comments about the event, etc?
Welcome to legacy, the only problem with it... it's gonna be hard to go back to other formats now, once you get a taste LOL (IMO)
Thanks for the welcome :)We were just discussing the SCG Classic open 4th place list, welcome to the forum :)
What were your matches? Would you make any changes at all to the main or SB?
Any comments about the event, etc?
Welcome to legacy, the only problem with it... it's gonna be hard to go back to other formats now, once you get a taste LOL (IMO)
My matches in the swiss were Shardless BUG (loss), Miracles x 2 (win x 2), Nic Fit (win), Ooze Reanimator (win), and Elves (win). All the wins were pretty straightforward. Had a several turn 1 Griselbrands into draws of Thoughtseize / Unmask which let me shred my opponent's opener. Had a turn one Tidespout Tyrant against Elves and just kept bouncing his board of Bayou and dork every turn. Had turn two Iona naming white against Nic Fit. Also had some turn 1 or 2 Griselbrands into other fatties which made opponents scoop. Lost the round against Shardless BUG due to deathrite game 1 and Scavenging Ooze and Surgical Extraction game 2.
For the top 8 I played Sneak and Show in the quarterfinals (win) and Storm in the semifinals (loss). Against Sneak and Show i won game 1 pretty easily. Game 2 I got to cast 2 Stronghold Gambit for the win :) Game 1 against Storm I was one attack away from the win and he combo'd me. Game two I mulled to 4 (awful draws) and just lost (bad luck, oh well).
The only change I would make is that I would probably move Elesh Norn to the sideboard, but I suppose that I might keep it MD and move something else depending on the other decks I expect to face. Didn't know what to expect for this event and just decided to go with 11 creatures and drop an Animate Dead.
The event had 53 players I believe. Had most of the usual suspects I suppose. Saw some Gixis Delver, a few U/B Reanimator, Death and Taxes, etc.. There was one other B/R Reanimator player there, but I think he didn't fair so well (I think he was 3-3, but I don't remember exactly). On the whole I think I lucked out in that my matchups weren't bad at all really.
Made quite a few play mistakes over the course of the tournament. I was really bad about Chancellor triggers. Oh well, still have a lot to learn :)
I have to say that the best card for me at the Classic was Unmask by far. It just did everything! Binned fatties for the turn one Reanimate, cleared hands so I could combo safely, and helped strip hands after drawing it off of Griselbrand activations. Super fun card to cast.
I think you're right about the fact that it will be hard to go back to other formats :) Had a ton of fun in my first outing :) Very much looking forward to jamming more Legacy in the future. Glad I finally hopped the fence.
Is that a Necropotence in there (Near bottom right) o_O? No wonder you did so well :PHey there folks,
4-2'd yesterday at Catalan Legacy League with the BR Reanimator list I've been playing last weeks, finishing 14th from 60 players. I have a lot of comments to say, but today I don't have the time. I'll try to write some thoughts tomorrow. Just one thing: This deck is really, really good, regardlessly of the version (SSG or not, Unmask or not, creature selection). By now I'll just post a better picture of my version
More about this tomorrow, I hope!
What are everyone's thoughts on Unmask vs Collective Brutality? Also, which matchups are the Blood Moons and Sneak Attacks for, and what do you remove for them?
I've been trying out this deck in the past couple of days and the list seems so tight, every card performs an important function in nearly every matchup, so I'm hesitant to sideboard out more than 1-2 cards. What are usually the main cards to remove, other than reanimation targets?
Nobody plays Legacy anymore, the tournaments are all too crowded
Thanks for the feedback, always great to hear people are enjoying legacy :)
One comment but how were you binning a creature with unmask? It gets exiled, no? That's why I have been using collective brutality instead. Still let's me look at their hand and strip a card while not exiling the card I pitch to it, allowing me to setup a reanimate or exhume next turn.
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