once again the transformational SB pays off
old school miracle MD
mentor miracle SB
I can see the point for it.
Containment Priest would have killed 4 decks in the top 8 (Sneak,Sneak, DnT, Elves) and the mirror match remains one of the major thing to be prepared for.
Dulcis in fundo: CB would have been strong just in the mirror and storm. DnT and SneakShow don't really care about it where instead CPriest would have completly shine. Elves plays 4 Abrupt Decays/Grips against us. It just doesn't stick a turn
9th to 32 decklists:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/c...sts-2016-11-27
33rd to 64th decklists:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/c...sts-2016-11-27
Assume I have searched around correctly, Looks like only Lossett ran Moat while some Japanese Miracles players ran Ensnaring Bridges.
That has to be a budget concern.Originally Posted by twndomn
The purpose of any moat is to impede attack. Some are filled with water, some with thistles. Some are filled with things best left unseen.
I don't think thats a budget concern. Your mentors get under bridge, not moat. It also looked like sneak/show had a pretty big presence there; vs that, bridge is a must remove, whereas moat is dead.
I tested Priest quite a bit against D+T and came to the conclusion that it's quite poor in that matchup. It's fine to board in against Elves which is a fantastic matchup without any help, and it shines against Sneak and Show and Reanimator. The problem with Containment Priest is that it's generally a pretty narrow card outside of Griselbrand matchups. Our maindeck has a lot of cards that need to come out depending on which half of the format you face, and I never have room for Containment Priest when I am mapping out my SB plan.
Bridge and Humility are just better. Delver, (equipped) Wisp, Emrakul, Griselbrand they all pass Moat
Bridge is just very fragile being it an artifact but easier to cast and perfect with Mentor/Gideon/Elspeth.
I prefer Humility over everything and I thinking about Swan Song over Flusterstorm in the SB because of Sylvan Library, Sneak Attack and Counterbalance
Yeah, Priest is just too narrow anyway..
No, it is not.
They do the same vs Eldrazi where Bridge has splash hate vs Show and Tell, which is super popular in Japan.
Ah, hadn't considered that.
The purpose of any moat is to impede attack. Some are filled with water, some with thistles. Some are filled with things best left unseen.
Humility: best card against creature since 1997
This was the GP of the Transformational-Miracle
Have you also noticed the
Entreat-Mentor
Mentor-Sulfur
for the two top placed miracle decks.
Mentor-Sulfur must be of big impact against DnT and the Mirror.
Gideon gives 3/1 tokens and attacks for 6 when he does.
Nice and fun. Mentor is for all the other decks I suppose
Like; It's not FOR sneak and show, but as most people in Japan are on straight Sneak and Show and not OmniSneak, they are cold to Bridge. It's better than Terminus, and that's it.
well they can always, SnT/Sneak into Griselbrand, draw 14, Destroy Artifact on Bridge then attack for the win..
And that's why they won the GP.
Bridge and Moat don't really stop Griselbrand.
What would really lock them is Humility or Cursed Totem (but it doesn't stop Emrakul, so.. just Humility)
Destroy artifact with what? EE on 3?
Ratchet Bomb/EE/Echoing Truth
Two of those hit Humility. And UR can't cast EE on 3.
The purpose of any moat is to impede attack. Some are filled with water, some with thistles. Some are filled with things best left unseen.
don't they all play Petals? anyway I am just saying Bridge only buys you time while Humility 99% of the times is the "you win" card you need to resolve
Against SnS sure, but it's pretty bad against other creature decks because an army of 1/1s is still an army of 1/1s. I'd rather play an anti-creature card that has wider application (i.e. Bridge or Moat) and rely on ETB effects (out of Venser and Clique), anti-cheat aka Containment Priest and Meddling Mage, and Karakas to beat SnS.
The purpose of any moat is to impede attack. Some are filled with water, some with thistles. Some are filled with things best left unseen.
i think it's wrong to look at cards like moat, bridge, humility, and containment priest as "blow out" or "game enders". yes these cards can lead to some blow outs, but i think you have to look at them as supplemental cards to controlling the game against whatever particular strategy you decided to put them into the sideboard for to begin with. and i think if you can change your point of view regarding the purpose of these type of cards, you'll value them differently when making sideboarding decisions.
because regardless of how powerful these cards can be in a given matchup, you still have to win the game. you still have to make sure they don't find their out and beat you.
What should my plan be against Aggro Loam as Legends Miracles? According to Schönegger's primer, I should just bring in non-permanent answers to his deck's strategy and leave in counterbalance. I have tried both leaving in counterbalance and siding it out for RIP and Back to Basics, but both of those plans seem to fail, due to the fact that abrupt decay tends to render them useless.
Could someone please provide me with a somewhat detail perspective on the matchup, or maybe just a few links to Joe Lossett playing it in first person so that I can see his sideboard plan (I couldn't find the matchup in his two most recent vods).
EDIT: I should clarify that some of my confusion stems from the fact that I don't know how to balance out my gameplan when I simultaneously need to be prepared for: punishing fire, midrange creature threats, and a sudden dark depths.
if you follow Joe on twitch @oarsman79 and watch his streams he always takes questions including sideboard strategies.
I think surgical extractions, wear/tear, back to basics are your best bets vs. Loam but I guess it also depends on what your deck list is....basically you need to get counter top out there with a 2 and 1 drop out there (wear/tear works great there), keep them from punishing fire, hexmage, bob, life of the loam etc.
How is 1 relevant vs loam?
They are a chalice deck. They don't play Hexmage. They play KotR and Lilianas.
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