I picked this list up today to test for the GP. Traverse won me two games tutoring for the combo. I also lost twice to D&T with Dread on the board. I'm brand new to this archetype though, so i have no idea what i'm doing.I got another 5-0 result last night (five times 2-1, hehe). Same list with a few changes: -1 Crane +1 Traverse the Ulvenwald, SB: -1 Powder Keg +1 Dread of Night.
Yes, I would do the same.Originally Posted by Philipp2293
Also started playing the BUG Version. In my 3rd game in my 1st league I already faced the mirror. How do you board there? I assume all Aluren out and just the value game? I won G2 because I had Carpet on the board and could replay my stuff more often
Well done.
This version is not particulaly weak to Blood Moon, because we have basics, Deathrite, FoW, and Decay - all maindeck.
Still, Blood Moon gets me too every now and then. Remembering that Blood Moon exists, knowing who might have it, and playing around it is a skill.
Nice. Which part of the combo did you search for? Could a Dimir Infiltrator have done the same by tutoring for either Harpy or Glint-Nest?
D&T is a difficult matchup. Not necessarily bad, but they attack this deck's strategy from more than one angle. Getting to 4 mana (or 5 under Thalia) is difficult enough. If you land Aluren they still have some tricks left, but many of them don't actually stop you but only slow you down.
Once Dimir Infiltrator would have done it by searching for Glint Nest. the other time i had five mana and needed to cast Aluren + Traverse to win before dying on the back swing. In the D&T m/u it seemed like i was always 1 mana behind. They also just had everything. Both Thalia's, Cannonist, Revoker on Harpy, and Sanctum on 2 mana. it was pretty brutal.
OK, yes I also think 1 Traverse might be correct in that slot. It has the extra bonus of finding Karakas in some matchups where that card is key.
On the D&T lock bears:
Thalia 1 makes Aluren cost 5, and you have to pay more life to combo because you can't cast cantrips. The Crane will take it home though if you can hit that.
Thalia 2 does nothing against the combo.
Canonist stops the instant win but you can still gain a lot of value just by playing Harpy on his turn, then Shardless on your own turn.
Revoker is similar in that is does stop the instant win but is does not stop chaining together e.g. Shardless into Harpy, then Shardless into Baleful Strix.
Sanctum on 2 stops Abrupt Decay and nothing else.
All of them together? That does sound rough. In paper tournaments you could try Virtue's Ruin.
What match-ups are the Hydroblasts in the sideboard for? Sneak Attack, Blood Moon, Burn, Big Red decks?
Would Blue Elemental Blast be fine as a replacement?
Also, how are you coping without Toxic Deluge which seems to be a common sideboard card for the deck?
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i've now gone 3-2 in two leagues, and 3 of the losses involved being locked out of Abrupt decay + a needle on harpy. I'm kind of feeling like krosan grip or some other piece of removal is necessary. Powder keg has been kind of lackluster, but i definitely see the merit in having an EE like sweeper. I do really like how the BUG build is positioned in a field of Eldrazi and Miracles as those have felt heavily in our favor. (also infinite harpy blocks on inkmoth is GAS). The only change i've made to Cartesian's list is Sylvan library in the SB over Leovold #3, it's been OK. Mostly didn't want to drop another 30+ tix on a 3rd leovold.
D&T and Soldier Stompy are the only decks where I'm scared of being locked off of the combo frequently. I've been running 2 Glint-Nest Crane in my list lately and that's allowed me to just minimize the combo against those decks postboard by bringing in a Jitte and Sword of Fire and Ice of my own alongside the typical SB cards like Minister of Pain and Rec Sage, and they typically can't answer both the combo and fliers + Equipment at the same time. Sedraxis Alchemist provides me with a maindeck out to all sorts of nonsense, too.
Sneak Attack, Painter, UR Delver, and Burn primarily.
If you don't face any of these decks often, you might want something else, or cut down to 1.
and yes you can use Blue elemental blast if you do not have hydro. We do not have one of the cards that cares about being able to cast it.
vs omitell both times he cast show and tell I put in aluren. cast a couple of bait spells for his counters and then combo off in response to wish/intuitionthis deck is too much
BEB is better against Misdirection, which is slightly relevant, but being able to cast Hydroblast for no effect does come up when you cascade into it while comboing off and want to ensure you don't accidentally cascade into it again.
Just a word of caution here: Leovold versus Carpet of Flowers is ridiculous, because Carpet targets the opponent every time it triggers. So the Leovold player gets to draw 1 free card every turn.Also started playing the BUG Version. In my 3rd game in my 1st league I already faced the mirror. How do you board there? I assume all Aluren out and just the value game? I won G2 because I had Carpet on the board and could replay my stuff more often
And if the Leovold player has no Islands in play he will draw two cards per turn! So if you play Carpet against a deck with Leovold, make sure that you win fast.
minor correction, the carpet of flowers player can choose to use the ability even if it results in 0 mana so they only have to target the leovold player once a turn as it won't trigger in the second main.
this interaction actually just came up at my legacy weekly a few weeks ago
Any advice for the lands match-up? I boarded +Karakas + 2 Tormod's crypt for - FOW -2 baleful. Fetched for basics to avoid getting wasted out of the game, but i kind of felt like a stole one with a combo in game one when my opponent didn't know exactly what i was on. I definitely would have lost g1 if he went for loam-> tabernacle instead of going for Stage/DD the turn before i could play aluren. pulled out g2 w/ a t1 crypt hitting ghost quarter fetched for 3 basics cast leovold then ground it out w/ drs eventually hard cast parasitic styx for the win. Sphere of resistance is a real pain though
I would absolutely bring in the 3rd Leovold, as he is a real pain for lands if they don't have a quick kill and have to play a grindy game involving wastelands and punishing fires. Also the Faerie Macabres, it's not great, but sometimes hitting that fire or combo peace is enough time to set up our own combo.
Hi,
I was at the belgium cup with a white recruter version.
I look forward to the bug version because i lost 8 games only without the right color mana. I was totally unlucky.
And when i had some mana that was easy win turn 3 or. 4.
Cartesian, i saw you are testing the creature to convok for artefact. Is-it fine?
I think of it as a 5th "mini-Aluren" because it can help cast (and recast) artifacts creatures that create card advantage. But it is probably not synergestic enough with the deck as a whole.
Traverse the Ulvenwald or a Coiling Oracle is probably better in that slot.
@philip2293 i would definitely have brought in the 3rd leovold, but i haven't picked it up yet on MODO. That card is 30+ tix, and I wasn't 100% sure if i was playing this at the GP yet or not. I'm going to get it for sure though. i have 3 in paper already
@Cartesian I've just been playing a 2nd crane in the MD instead of traverse or oracle, and it's been alright. I like being able to pitch the first one to FOW and it can kind of help find your jitte or crypts after SB. Do you think that coiling oracle is just better in that slot? i haven't actually played the deck w/ oracle.
I jammed a few matches with Chief Engineer the other night - was not impressed with it at all. It was just tempting me to overextend more, when I'd rather be digging deeper in that 2 drop slot. Same with Glint-Nest Crane, I didn't like what I was grabbing enough.
I'm running some weird list with a bunch of 1-ofs to force a grind gameplan - that includes a singleton traverse, and a 1-1 split of Kalastria Healer versus Parasitic Strix. The cascade dig seems really nice, given that's one of our most powerful bounces during the combo turn. Weird interaction of note - Kalastria Healer doesn't target against opposing leovolds while Parasitic does.
Has anyone tried testing living wish anymore?
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