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    Re: The current state of Magic

    There's also the whole Masterpieces shebang which can also include Modern staples.

    I wish Wizards would get their heads out of their asses and started making supplementary products aside from Modern Masters that introduced new cards. But despite regularly being asked for that, they continue to come up with excuses.

    I made a poll on Twitter regarding that topic - feel free to retweet to reach as many people as possible.

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    It's cool that they've done things like bring back leagues, and are ending the 1-2 month delay for new sets to appear in MTGO - which was just beyond insane, but a lot of this feels like too little too late.

    If they're really going to push Frontier over Modern... that's a lot of people who bought into Modern and aren't necessarily going to transfer over. I dunno, I like what the new team is doing, they seem to have far less of the head-ass-insertion issues the old one did, but a lot of straws are piled on that camel's back right now, and if they decide to follow the path of least resistance - "we'll make MTG just like Hearthstone, then people will love us again!" they're going to fail, badly. If they follow the path of second least resistance - franchising MTG into other properties like TV/Comics/RPG's/video games, they're not going to have as much success as they think because story has always been something less than even half of the regular player base has even pretended to care about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
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    If they're really going to push Frontier over Modern...
    I was under the impression that Frontier is a store-created format, and has very little to no support from the mother ship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    I was under the impression that Frontier is a store-created format, and has very little to no support from the mother ship.
    This is correct. Maro has stated that his preferred "Post Modern" Format would not included fetches. (Likely stating at Origins.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dice_Box View Post
    This is correct. Maro has stated that his preferred "Post Modern" Format would not included fetches. (Likely stating at Origins.)
    They could also just ban fetches in said format to prevent the trouble of having to deal with fetch reprints in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    They could also just ban fetches in said format to prevent the trouble of having to deal with fetch reprints in the future.
    The fetch/dual paradigm really makes multicolor mana bases much stronger, but shuffling all the time is not great in a paper game.

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    It also makes Wastelands much more powerful. They could help Modern with this one simple trick...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    They could also just ban fetches in said format to prevent the trouble of having to deal with fetch reprints in the future.
    No chance in hell of that ever happening. Modern would cease to exist before that happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmlima View Post
    No chance in hell of that ever happening. Modern would cease to exist before that happens.
    I was talking about the Post-Modern format, call it Frontier or whatever silly name Wizards comes up with.

    Fetches in Modern are here to stay, simply because they're guaranteed sells.

    On a different note:

    Hex now offers weekly tournaments that pay out 1k $ cash total. Makes me wonder why they can do it while Wizards can't on MTGO.

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    Hex now offers weekly tournaments that pay out 1k $ cash total. Makes me wonder why they can do it while Wizards can't on MTGO.
    One of the challenges that MTGO has is that it's competing with the 'core business' of paper magic so there will always be internal tension at WotC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    One of the challenges that MTGO has is that it's competing with the 'core business' of paper magic so there will always be internal tension at WotC.
    Well, the official reason given by WotC why they can't do cash prizes on MTGO are gambling laws. Yet Hex doesn't seem to care about that.

    As far as paper vs online goes, WotC sucks at maximizing profits because they're a terrible company with a good IP.

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    Re: The current state of Magic

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    To their credit, at least they're consistent in their incompetence.
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    Gross, other formats. I puked in my mouth a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    I wish Wizards would get their heads out of their asses and started making supplementary products aside from Modern Masters that introduced new cards. But despite regularly being asked for that, they continue to come up with excuses.
    I... what? They do exactly this. On top of all the reprint sets, we're looking at three such products just in the last year:

    1. Conspiracy 2
    2. Commander 2016
    3. (Upcoming) Archenemy Nicol Bolas

    And each year we end up with more Conspiracy / Commander / Archenemy / Planechase / whatever.

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    Re: The current state of Magic

    Archenemy Nicol Bolas has 0 new cards
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    Gross, other formats. I puked in my mouth a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximumC View Post
    I... what? They do exactly this. On top of all the reprint sets, we're looking at three such products just in the last year:

    1. Conspiracy 2
    2. Commander 2016
    3. (Upcoming) Archenemy Nicol Bolas

    And each year we end up with more Conspiracy / Commander / Archenemy / Planechase / whatever.
    And none of them are Modern-legal. You're missing my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    And none of them are Modern-legal. You're missing my point.
    Modern legal supplementary sets has been the obvious choice since Modern's inception... but they just don't do it. It would make so much sense: get cards into Modern, cards that would benefit the format, without upsetting Standard.

    It's a real frustrating problem. WotC has this baffling duality going on in their approach to Modern.

    1.) Modern is being pushed out of the spotlight.

    2.) They maintain the old systems that were put in place to keep Modern approachable.

    I understand they wanted Modern to be easy to understand. To keep things simple, they just said "No supplementary sets, no exceptions." That sucked, but I could at least understand it. But now that Modern is off the Pro Tour, and there will be no Modern GPTs, why the hell don't they let the players do something to improve the format?

    - - -

    It's like they said, "Hey, we don't like this format anymore, so we're abandoning it."

    And the players are like "Fine, we'll take care of it, because we like it. Here are some things we could do to improve it..."

    WotC - "NO! We give up, AND we won't let you try to fix it!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-101 View Post
    Modern legal supplementary sets has been the obvious choice since Modern's inception... but they just don't do it. It would make so much sense: get cards into Modern, cards that would benefit the format, without upsetting Standard.

    It's a real frustrating problem. WotC has this baffling duality going on in their approach to Modern.

    1.) Modern is being pushed out of the spotlight.

    2.) They maintain the old systems that were put in place to keep Modern approachable.

    I understand they wanted Modern to be easy to understand. To keep things simple, they just said "No supplementary sets, no exceptions." That sucked, but I could at least understand it. But now that Modern is off the Pro Tour, and there will be no Modern GPTs, why the hell don't they let the players do something to improve the format?

    - - -

    It's like they said, "Hey, we don't like this format anymore, so we're abandoning it."

    And the players are like "Fine, we'll take care of it, because we like it. Here are some things we could do to improve it..."

    WotC - "NO! We give up, AND we won't let you try to fix it!"
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    Testing for Standard is a way to safeguard for Modern.
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    its totally unheared of the new cards may become broken, if paired with older cards. /s
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    It also makes Wastelands much more powerful. They could help Modern with this one simple trick...
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