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    Quote Originally Posted by LegacyIsAnEternalFormat View Post
    Might of Old Krosa at uncommon. 10 dollar uncommon is good value.
    Wow that's a crazy surprise to read!! On MCM/in Europe those are €2,50-3,00'ish, so if the price gap is that big with the US I'd have thought someone would already have bought a bunch on MCM and sold them in the States for 2x profit until the prices equalized more or less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Cheese View Post
    ....Hopefully there's wide enough distribution of this to make a serious dent in the currently absurd prices....
    That's what I hope for every [not standard set] yet from my POV it doesn't impact the big money cards being reprinted. It resembles a Christmas sale. The "reprint discount" comes in after the market inflates the base price. I'm still sitting on several enemy fetchlands since they're absurdly overpriced. I own Verdant Catacombs...I'd love to see them back at $15. Highly doubt that happens.

    What's the precedent with $$$ lands in MM? I can't see WOTC including all enemy fetchlands and cavern of souls. I'd err on the side of fetches + city of brass. Another card I own that I wouldn't mind seeing its price collapse.

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    Inquisition of Kozilek and Path to Exile both confirmed at uncommon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegacyIsAnEternalFormat View Post
    Might of Old Krosa at uncommon. 10 dollar uncommon is good value.
    Might of Old Krosa at common would be hype.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warden View Post
    That's what I hope for every [not standard set] yet from my POV it doesn't impact the big money cards being reprinted. It resembles a Christmas sale. The "reprint discount" comes in after the market inflates the base price. I'm still sitting on several enemy fetchlands since they're absurdly overpriced. I own Verdant Catacombs...I'd love to see them back at $15. Highly doubt that happens.

    What's the precedent with $$$ lands in MM? I can't see WOTC including all enemy fetchlands and cavern of souls. I'd err on the side of fetches + city of brass. Another card I own that I wouldn't mind seeing its price collapse.
    Nah it's not that bad. The commons and uncommons and non-crazy-staple rares get demolished, price-wise, while the set is in print. Each time they print MM, you can go online and gobble up singles like these for half price or better while it's being opened. Chase mythics do not drop, and all cards will rebound, so act while you can.

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    With this shard focus, and possible infect focus, I think Noble Hierarch will make an appearance at Mythic.

    Not sure past that.
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    I about died from laughter when I was watching my feature match and the commentators called Tinfins a difficult and challenging deck.

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    Re: Modern Masters 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Claymore View Post
    With this shard focus, and possible infect focus, I think Noble Hierarch will make an appearance at Mythic.

    Not sure past that.
    I hope not. Mythic will not do a thing for the price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claymore View Post
    With this shard focus, and possible infect focus, I think Noble Hierarch will make an appearance at Mythic.

    Not sure past that.
    Why would it be mythic after being a rare in MM2? They even brought back IoK at uncommon after bumping it up to rare for Conspiracy 2 for stupid reasons.

    Given how much money cards we've seen already, I firmly believe now that they're going to have a way bigger print run than MM2 (which kinda fell flat due to too much garbage, production errors and the poorly designed paper package). With EV being pretty high, it will sell like hotcakes - and WotC is in dire need to squeeze more money out of the existing customer base to please the shareholders, given that the playerbase is pretty stagnant now.

    Cards get cheaper for a while, WotC makes tons of cash and speculators/hoarders get hurt. That's a tripple win situation in my books.

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    Still to reveal are two more green mythics (Tarmogoyf?), one black (Liliana?), two white, and one red (Through The Breach?). Both blue mythics are revealed.

    As for IoK, it was likely rare in Conspiracy because that type of card is bad in multiplayer draft, but uncommon here again because it's okay in 1 vs 1 draft. This is still a draft set even though to most of it it's a "make my singles cheaper!" set.

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    Ah, I thought noble was at Mythic when reprinted. Either way.

    Both blue mythics confirm no Jace, surprising no one except speculators relying on SaffronOlive's "sources". I think the idiocy of what Wizards had to endure just to reprint Damnation means we won't see Wizards do anything clever like that down the line.
    Quote Originally Posted by Acclimation View Post
    I about died from laughter when I was watching my feature match and the commentators called Tinfins a difficult and challenging deck.

    I'm not saying it's the easiest deck to play, but the plan is so linear that I could probably get white girl wasted and still beat people with the deck.
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    Re: Modern Masters 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by RobNC View Post
    Still to reveal are two more green mythics (Tarmogoyf?), one black (Liliana?), two white, and one red (Through The Breach?). Both blue mythics are revealed.

    As for IoK, it was likely rare in Conspiracy because that type of card is bad in multiplayer draft, but uncommon here again because it's okay in 1 vs 1 draft. This is still a draft set even though to most of it it's a "make my singles cheaper!" set.
    White mythics are probably hot garbage again. Not too sure if they reprint Goyf a third time in a row, although it would certainly make the set more desirable.

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    Re: Modern Masters 2017

    There's Linvala and Archangel of Thune in white; Elesh Norn wouldn't fit the white/blue blink strategy they're pushing for draft at all while angels are at least flavorful with Restoration Angel and Stoic Angel. Can't think of any other white mythic that's played at all, never mind played in Modern...unless it's Terminus to go with the red and blue miracle cards (maybe making one of each color?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claymore View Post
    Ah, I thought noble was at Mythic when reprinted. Either way.

    Both blue mythics confirm no Jace, surprising no one except speculators relying on SaffronOlive's "sources". I think the idiocy of what Wizards had to endure just to reprint Damnation means we won't see Wizards do anything clever like that down the line.
    What are you referring to about Damnation and Jace? I'm just curious and have not heard of it.

    The set has some pretty good cards so far and I'm just hoping for Tarmogoyf and Cavern of Souls to get printed some more.

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    Entreat the Angels would make much more sense for the Mythic Miracle spot in White.
    Besides, with Bonfire + Damnation, that makes already 2 mass removals for a limited environment which would lead to a negative draft experience overall, should Terminus be also invited to the party.

    Elesh Norn was reprinted in MM2 already so nope. Neither Iona... Archangel of Thune would be neat. Or, since Grisel is here, a reprint of Avacyn, Angel of Hope (which makes a ton of sense considering the point above regarding the mass removals available in this set).

    I guess we can expect Revenge of the Hunted to be reprinted as the G Mythic Miracle... but meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnderwaterGuy View Post
    What are you referring to about Damnation and Jace? I'm just curious and have not heard of it.
    There's two blue mythics already. They print 2 mythic rares of each color, so Jace is locked out.

    Speculation earlier in this thread said that they would use the updated ban-restricted announcement schedule to announce Jace was modern legal, and use MM17 to push him out. Unconfirmed reports that this led to price spiking and scarcity of Jace.

    The WotC article about Damnation summarized that:

    • WotC wanted it in FTV: Annhilation
    • Another group wanted Damnation in a set (Magic 2015 ) so they took it out of FTV
    • Design didn't catch that MonoBlack in Theros standard with Pack Rat, Thoughtseize, Monoblack Devotion etc would be good, so when that meta was being played out IRL they pulled Damnation out of M15's Future Future league.
    • Design decided to waffle around and experiment with other types of board wipes, so they put Languish in Origins and pulled Damnation from there.
    • With the unbanning of Bitterblossom, they put BB into MM15. They weren't sure of the repercussions so they pulled Damnation from there too.
    • All the while, immense public pressure and outcry to reprint Damnation raged in their customer base. Then they just flat ignored it in other product until MM17.


    If they can't figure out how to reprint "2BB Destroy all creatures", then there's no way they'll be able to coordinate the unbanning of Jace alongside a surprise reprinting of Jace. If they ever do, Jace will be an out of the blue unban and reprint awhile later.
    Quote Originally Posted by Acclimation View Post
    I about died from laughter when I was watching my feature match and the commentators called Tinfins a difficult and challenging deck.

    I'm not saying it's the easiest deck to play, but the plan is so linear that I could probably get white girl wasted and still beat people with the deck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Cards get cheaper for a while, WotC makes tons of cash and speculators/hoarders get hurt. That's a tripple win situation in my books.
    Amen!

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    Re: Modern Masters 2017

    This looks to be a much better set than 2015. I look forward to drafting it.
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    Venser (pw) seems like he has a high chance of being in here seeing as he fits the blink theme and then we'd have a planeswalker in ever colour if we had domri, him, and lili. (Though the other masters sets only had 2 pws, i can easily see him in this set)

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    Re: Modern Masters 2017

    Linvala, Keeper of Silence reprint confirmed at Mythic.

    Looks like there are white cards that aren't complete garbage, value-wise.

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    archangel of thune would be great at mythic, its like 20 dollars right now

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