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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

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    I'd actually consider it in a 5C theme-deck I'm building around Divinity and Gods. WE also have the wording on Oketra:

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    I could see this happening with sram's expertise in standard. However, three creature is quiet prohibitive. If it wasn't then Kytheon, Hero of Akros / Gideon, Battle-Forged would be a card.

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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

    Green guy seems like a trap. Like has been said, it doesn't answer creatures real issue with the format and that's terminus. And you need a decent amount of filtering in nic fit because nic fit creature count is fairly low. Dunno. Everyone else seems far more excited than me about him so maybe I'm missing something
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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    Green guy seems like a trap. Like has been said, it doesn't answer creatures real issue with the format and that's terminus. And you need a decent amount of filtering in nic fit because nic fit creature count is fairly low. Dunno. Everyone else seems far more excited than me about him so maybe I'm missing something
    At worst, it's going to be an EDH staple like Oracle of Mul Daya that goes into every green EDH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    Green guy seems like a trap. Like has been said, it doesn't answer creatures real issue with the format and that's terminus. And you need a decent amount of filtering in nic fit because nic fit creature count is fairly low. Dunno. Everyone else seems far more excited than me about him so maybe I'm missing something
    Agreed. Nic fit is a GSZ deck. GSZ fundamentally means silver bullets and a lack of redundant creatures. You trade in redundancy for selection with GSZ. The only real redundant creatures in nic fit is veteran explorer, and ONLY because the deck plays Cabal Therapies (4 more spells). Add in deeds, abrupt decays, a recurring nightmare / unearth, and some personalization options lilke Gitaxian Probe, more removal, diabolic intent, Nissa Vital Force, burning wish, Intuition, Brainstorm, Vraska, Scapeshift or an academy rector package, and soon you'll have a deck that's more focused on spells and lands than creatures.

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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

    That green card seems pretty trash tbh.

    If you want an actual good card advantage green creature play tracker. Fast clock + can't be answered without card disadvantage

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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

    Quote Originally Posted by Gheizen64 View Post
    That green card seems pretty trash tbh.

    If you want an actual good card advantage green creature play tracker. Fast clock + can't be answered without card disadvantage
    This. I mean I think the green guy is a powerful effect, but I just don't see where it fits (heh). Same reason I don't think New Gideon will see much play. I understand the power level, but I don't see what deck wants it and what you're cutting for it
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    We got our cycling counterspell and it's... not good. Basically Force Spike for 1U with cycling U.

    Was Miscalculation really so busted that they had to do this to it?

    EDIT: it's ok in an "I run Akroma's Blessing and every once in awhile cast it for value" sort of way, but that's like, it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    Green guy seems like a trap. Like has been said, it doesn't answer creatures real issue with the format and that's terminus. And you need a decent amount of filtering in nic fit because nic fit creature count is fairly low. Dunno. Everyone else seems far more excited than me about him so maybe I'm missing something
    The CC makes him impractical for legacy unless he's a game-ending threat.

    As with other cards of the type, there's dopey stuff if you combine him with something like Thought Lash that lets you grind the top of the library.

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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

    Rules question: Since it says mana of any type, can lands be used to cast Myr Superion with it?

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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

    No, because in that situation the source, not the type is checked.
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    Rules question: Since it says mana of any type, can lands be used to cast Myr Superion with it?
    They have a section somewhere in the rules about that. Mana type is color or "colorless." This is a sort of rules patch n that was put into place to accommodate colorless (rather than generic) mana costs. (There are still colorless costs in standard, but if this templating continues to be used the future, it might be an indication that colorless mana is going to be evergreen.)

    (Part of me wonders about building a deck designed to make as many different kinds of mana as possible at once using Kruphix, God of Horizons or Omnath, Locus of Mana.)

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    We got a Roar of the Wurm Embalm reprint with a slight buff to it, the main card is only 5G instead of 6G, same stats and flashback, but with Trample, and a Hero's Downfall Sorcery with a terrible flashback I mean Aftermath effect.

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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
    We got a Roar of the Wurm Embalm reprint with a slight buff to it, the main card is only 5G instead of 6G, same stats and flashback, but with Trample, and a Hero's Downfall Sorcery with a terrible flashback I mean Aftermath effect.


    Roar of the Wurm wasn't playable since forever. This changes nothing.



    Holy shit, why is the Aftermath portion so overcosted? This should be at least 1-2 mana cheaper.

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    Holy shit, why is the Aftermath portion so overcosted? This should be at least 1-2 mana cheaper.
    3 cc sorcery speed kill a creature or plainswalker is already premium removal in the NOW, so as far as WotC is concerned that aftermath portion is pure value.

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    Seems legit.

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    After thinking about it, I think the Aftermath portion is so overcosted because the main spell isn't, and they didn't want to make it too good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkenslight View Post
    pull from tomorrow

    Seems legit.
    Worth considering for sorcery speed high tide and possibly other decks that produce a lot of mana. Not sure whether the cost offsets the utility compared to Stroke of Genius or Blue Sun's Zenith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    Worth considering for sorcery speed high tide and possibly other decks that produce a lot of mana. Not sure whether the cost offsets the utility compared to Stroke of Genius or Blue Sun's Zenith.
    Also doesn't target opponents, unfortunately.
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    Seems legit.
    Seems QUITE legit. Ignoring Prosperity-type effects, we only have a few cards that do this:

    Mind Spring - Same cost, but Sorcery speed.
    Braingeyser - Same cost, but Sorcery speed and can hit opponents as a finisher.
    Blue Sun's Zenith - Reshuffles and targets opponents (this is my go-to finisher of choice in heavy blue infinite mana decks)
    Stroke of Genius - Less blue and more colored mana, Instant speed, can hit opponents as a finisher.
    Sphinx' Rev - Costs more, but buffers your life total as well.

    I think Stroke still has a place due to the fact that you can fuel it with artifact mana more easily, and it's a High Tide finisher. But the rest? Drawing X and then chucking something seems much better than just drawing X, when we're talking significantly large values for X. The graveyard is halfway onto the battlefield, after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronald Deuce View Post
    Also doesn't target opponents, unfortunately.
    Sure, but this could be better than stroke/BSZ #2.

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