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    Since I remember seeing people working at WotC mention multiple times that the reason aggro doesn't do well in eternal formats is because of combo, I don't think they're even aware of the actual issue. Zoo could lose almost all the time to fast combo and still be playable if it had enough other good matchups.
    Yeah, I think Zoo or something similar could be fine if they had access to a solid 60 card main. Then, just play a 15 card anti-combo sideboard and you'll probably do okay. I mean, it works for Lands right? Lands has almost zero positive combo matchups and only a few unfavorable fair matchups game one, but they just throw 15 anti-combo cards in their sideboard and just get there.

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Quote Originally Posted by NeckBird View Post
    Yeah, I think Zoo or something similar could be fine if they had access to a solid 60 card main. Then, just play a 15 card anti-combo sideboard and you'll probably do okay. I mean, it works for Lands right? Lands has almost zero positive combo matchups and only a few unfavorable fair matchups game one, but they just throw 15 anti-combo cards in their sideboard and just get there.
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    2 Price of Progress
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    4 Smash to Smithereens
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    In porn terms, Zoo has a 11" shlong and an impressive money shot, but it's over in 4 minutes, whereas Landstill is a good 8" and can go for 30 minutes.

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Good luck ever casting those sb FoW with 12 maindeck blue cards and some random bs blue cards, nice deck. Do you pitch your Spell Pierce or Daze to it, or the Delver you wanted to play t1? UR Delver is straight up unplayable.

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    One tournament added, OP rankings updated:

    July 14, MTA Legacy Championship @ Guangzhou, China, 129 players: 1.) Tezzeret Control 2.) RUG Delver 3.) B/R Reanimator 4.) Sneak & Show 5.) UWR Stoneblade 6.) Sneak & Show 7.) Sneak & Show 8.) RUG Delver

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    One tournament added, OP rankings updated:

    July 22, MKM Series Prague, 227 players: 1.) Elves 2.) Eldrazi 3.) Miracles 4.) Miracles 5.) OmniTell w/ Sneak 6.) Eldrazi 7.) Miracles 8.) BUG Control

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Another tournament added and OP rankings updated:

    July 22, Philadelphia SCG Classic, 170 players: 1.) BUG Depths 2.) U/W Helm 3.) Miracles 4.) Big Eldrazi 5.) Infect 6.) Elves 7.) Grixis Delver 8.) Big Eldrazi 9.) U/G 12-Post 10.) Death & Taxes 11.) Aggro Loam 12.) Grixis Delver 13.) U/W Standstill 14.) TES 15.) Big Eldrazi 16.) Sneak & Show
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    Quote Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit View Post
    0-2 drop'ing.
    Not anymore it seems :) Great to see Elves get results again. All in all I really like how the meta is looking so far.

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Quote Originally Posted by Di View Post
    Good luck ever casting those sb FoW with 12 maindeck blue cards and some random bs blue cards, nice deck. Do you pitch your Spell Pierce or Daze to it, or the Delver you wanted to play t1? UR Delver is straight up unplayable.
    The postboard configuration with FoW is 18-20 blue spells, depending on the combo matchup, which is plenty.

    I pitch whatever I feel is the weakest other blue card in my hand at the time. If I have a creature heavy draw, I'm cool with pitching Delver. If mana looks to be tight to where I'm not sure when I'll be able to hold open U for Spell Pierce, then I'll pitch that. It just depends on the situation. This isn't any different from how UR Delver would do it; I just don't have Ponder.

    I disagree with your assessment that the deck is straight up unplayable, but to each his own. I took the deck to an 11-4 finish at GP Louisville and I do well at locals with it. I haven't gotten to play in too many larger events with it, but I've done pretty well with it when I have.

    I'm not really trying to convince you otherwise, but someone made a post that fit pretty neatly with what I consider my primary deck of choice for competitive events, so I posted my list in response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMogg View Post
    In porn terms, Zoo has a 11" shlong and an impressive money shot, but it's over in 4 minutes, whereas Landstill is a good 8" and can go for 30 minutes.

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Okay but why Seal of Removal? Isn't Vapor Snag better in that deck?

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Quote Originally Posted by Zilla View Post
    Okay but why Seal of Removal? Isn't Vapor Snag better in that deck?
    Seal is pretty solid vs. Show and Tell.
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    Just fucking ban the 600 pound gorilla and be done with it. FFS

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    whienot summed it up pretty well, but I'll elaborate just a tad more. Vapor Snag hits Turbo Depths and Reanimator, but isn't very good against Sneak and Show (can't target Emrakul). Seal of Removal deals with all three matchups. It's simply the more versatile option.

    It can also be nice to be able to proactively put it into play against decks with discard (Depths/Reanimator), but that's only an ancillary reason to run it.

    Also, sorry to derail the thread. Carry on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMogg View Post
    In porn terms, Zoo has a 11" shlong and an impressive money shot, but it's over in 4 minutes, whereas Landstill is a good 8" and can go for 30 minutes.

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    One tournament added, OP rankings updated:

    July 22, MTGO Challenge, 83 players: 1.) Big Eldrazi 2.) Death & Taxes 3.) U/W Stoneblade 4.) Sneak & Show 5.) Eldrazi 6.) Death & Taxes 7.) RUG Delver 8.) Death & Taxes 9.) B/R Reanimator 10.) Zombardment 11.) Lands 12.) Punishing Dack 13.) Merfolk 14.) TES 15.) Sneak & Show 16.) U/R Delver
    (#17-32 aren't tabulated here, but are in the link)

    Also: After getting some feedback, I've removed the #9-16 placings of July 14, LCL July 2018, 46 players from the numbers, as it was a smaller tournament and including the full top 16 would include middle-of-the-pack decks from the tournament (records like 3-3), and skew an accurate meta representation. You can still find the deck lists at the link.
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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    One tournament added, OP rankings updated:

    July 22, CLC 2018 - Etapa 6 - Itajaí @ Blackout Games, 38 players: 1.) RUG Delver 2.) Reanimator 3.) Grixis Control 4.) U/R OmniTell 5.) Death & Taxes 6.) Eldrazi 7.) Grixis Control 8.) Dragon Stompy

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    One tournament added, OP rankings updated:

    July 22, Legacy at Grand Prix Chiba, 231 players: 1.) Grixis Control 2.) Miracles 3.) Lands 4.) Miracles 5.) OmniTell 6.) Grixis Delver 7.) Grixis Control 8.) Miracles

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    One tournament added, OP rankings updated:

    July 22, Legacy at Grand Prix Chiba, 231 players: 1.) Grixis Control 2.) Miracles 3.) Lands 4.) Miracles 5.) OmniTell 6.) Grixis Delver 7.) Grixis Control 8.) Miracles
    Looks like banning DRS changed the meta a whole lot. Much more diverse now.
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    In porn terms, Zoo has a 11" shlong and an impressive money shot, but it's over in 4 minutes, whereas Landstill is a good 8" and can go for 30 minutes.

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Two tournaments added, OP rankings updated:

    July 15, 関帝前哨戦レガシー - 晴れる屋大阪店, 44 players: 1.) Miracles 2.) UWR Delver 3.) Sneak & Show 4.) Grixis Delver 5.) Death & Taxes 6.) Pox 7.) U/R Delver 8.) U/W Stoneblade

    July 7, 晴れる屋レガシー杯, 35 players: 1.) ANT 2.) Eldrazi 3.) Food Chain 4.) U/R Delver 5.) Grixis Delver 6.) Esperblade 7.) Miracles 8.) Infect

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanni View Post
    Looks like banning DRS changed the meta a whole lot. Much more diverse now.
    Turns out nobody has any interest in trying something new. Brainstorm still reigns supreme
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    Turns out nobody has any interest in trying something new. Brainstorm still reigns supreme
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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    One tournament added, OP rankings updated:

    July 21, Preservation Series 1K @ Mox Boarding House Bellevue, 48 players: 1.) OmniTell w/ Sneak 2.) Grixis Control 3.) Aggro Loam 4.) Maverick 5.) Death & Taxes 6.) Goblins 7.) OmniTell w/ Sneak 8.) ANT

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    Re: Results and Meta Post-DRS/Probe Banning

    One tournament added, OP rankings updated:

    July 28, 第二期関西帝王レガシー - 晴れる屋大阪店, 88 players: 1.) ANT 2.) Dragon Stompy 3.) Death & Taxes 4.) Miracles 5.) Colorless 12-Post 6.) U/R Delver 7.) Bomberman 8.) Pox

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