I think he'll do something like
In:
2 Swords to Plowshares
1 Collective Brutality or Containment Priest
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Golgari Charm
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Maze of Ith
Out:
4 Chalice of the Void
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Life from the Loam
1 Barren Moor
I don't think how he boards will influence my boarding much though; the cards that are good on my end will still be fine regardless.
@Loam discussion
Out
-1 Collar
-4 Thalia
-1 Sparkmage
In
2 Surgical
2 RIP
1 CJ
1 Ajani V
Thalia doesn't do enough, as they have plenty of mana. I think you replace 4 Thalia with all the grave hate imaginable. I'd be happy to hit any key spell (or even a threat) with extraction. Aggro loam only has so many ways to win, so removing loam/kotr/bob/pfires is huge. I don't mind the redundancy to RIP their graveyard. CJ is good all around. I'd hesitate bringing in Vandal. You don't want to strand a threat in hand if bringing him out would nuke your own artifacts. I'd run Ajani over Vandal in G2/3. Ajani is a playful card to toss into the 75 but I think his +1 "keep it tapped" is relevant when you add in Thalia 2.0 tapping nonbasics + creatures and Magus negating nearly anything land they'd run. Mana screw is real. Ports and Ajani can actually be relevant here. The worst situation is Ajani being a 4 mana helix who took damage in place of your head. I'm fine with that. They need burn to get rid of him. If he keeps something tapped down, your army had 1 less blocker to deal with. Other occasions, he may be the needed reach (your dmg, their fetchlands + bob dmg). If you can ult with Ajani you have so much momentum. Ajani also eats their walker or hatebear. I keep SFM and remaining equipment because you need something to break through their lines. Mirran is a huge threat + equipment make him a fast clock who could run through Marit for the kill. Magus with Fire/Ice locks out their mana until a timely Toxic D clears the table. I keep all Flickerwisps in (they blink too many relevant permanents for Aggro Loam).
So anyone heading to Louisville this weekend:
Are we agreed that the 3-color build is probably the best way going forward?
Am I insane in thinking that with S&T, Storm, and two delver variants leading the MTGO meta that playing 2+1 prelates is a great idea?
I'll be there. I might play delver though. If I do play DnT, it'll be a lean monowhite list. I don't think magus does enough vs the deathrite/bolt and combo decks to make opening yourself up to wasteland + the fetches being used by deathrites to be worth it. It is most valuable vs elves, and I guess I'll just hope to dodge. Ozhov pontiff is intriguing, but I'd rather not play too many caverns, that card has always done nothing but hurt my mana. I could be wrong.Originally Posted by AsmodeusDM
Prelate has always been good in theory but rarely back breaking in game. I could see a world where 3 md prelates is right and we just slam it right away. I'll probably lean back on thalia heretic cathar or the flyers like serra avenger, wingmare, and mindcensor.
I'd be thrilled if there was more 1-2 drops worth playing. Wayfarer, jotun grunt...anyone?
If I were going to Louisville this weekend, I'd likely play WRb taxes with no Chalice. I do worry that having Chalice does open you up a bit too much to other midrange matchups, as you lose your best removal spell and are likely also down a couple of beaters as well.
What are your thoughts on running the owl (1/1 sac to force spike spells) or tax pony (wingmare)? Wingmare taxing and flying is actually legit for those decks.
I haven't been too hot on Prelate recently. I think it's a great card, but it's a little slow for the Storm matchup if that's what you're putting it in the deck for. I don't think I'd want more than one Prelate in any build at the moment. Wingmare is a really reasonable one-of, and it and Mindcensor have been floating in and out of my flex slots in monowhite builds.
What's the "b" for? Pontiff?
Yeah, I really like having access to a Pontiff or two.
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3-1 tonight in my weekly event and 4-0 in my Legacy League so far with this list:
Lands
4 Wasteland
2 Rishadan Port
1 Arid Mesa
2 Cavern of Souls
2 Flooded Strand
2 Windswept Heath
1 Marsh Flats
3 Plains
4 Plateau
2 Karakas
Creatures
4 Mother of Runes
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Recruiter of the Guard
2 Magus of the Moon
3 Flickerwisp
1 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Cunning Sparkmage
2 Mirran Crusader
2 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
Other Spells
4 Aether Vial
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Basilisk Collar
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Batterskull
Sideboard:
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Path to Exile
2 Cunning Sparkmage
1 Manic Vandal
1 Palace Jailer
1 Pithing Needle
1 Council's Judgment
1 Ajani Vengeant
2 Rest in Peace
To preemptively answer some questions:
This list was targeted towards playing 6 specific people, hence some odd choices.
Basilisk Collar is garbage.
No, it is not realistic to assemble the Sparkmage/Collar combo.
THC is still mediocre.
I would be playing 1-2 Pontiff normally.
3 Sparkmage is too many.
I don't hate decreasing the number of Ports that I'm running. Magus has been doing heavy lifting on the mana denial front instead.
Ajani is mostly garbage. He did Armageddon my RiP/Helm opponent, but that's about all he accomplished.
I did some playtesting after a long time yesterday, and I'd like to once more go on the record to advocate for Stonecloaker. It's just so wonderfully versatile. I used it as a repeatable Stifle for Deathrite Shaman activations, that can even be vialed in. If you haven't tried it as a recruitable 1-of, please do.
Still content of my BW list. In the past three tournaments, I've gone 16-1-2 in matches with it (two ID's), only losing once to eldrazi. The only card that's felt lackluster is Gideon. Maybe it's time to bring cataclysm back, although I've never liked it in builds with a splash. I could also stuff in some extra juice against eldrazi, as the loss of Thalia HC does hurt this match-up.
3 Mother of Runes
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Flickerwisp
3 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Recruiter of the Guard
2 Mirran Crusader
2 Serra Avenger
1 Orzhov Pontiff
1 Sanctum Prelate
1 Judge's Familiar
4 Aether Vial
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Umezawa's Jitte
5 Plains
3 Flooded Strand
2 Scrubland
2 Cavern of Souls
4 Wasteland
4 Rishadan Port
3 Karakas
SB: 2 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 2 Council's Judgment
SB: 1 Path to Exile
SB: 1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
SB: 2 Rest In Peace
SB: 1 Sanctum Prelate
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 1 Orzhov Pontiff
SB: 1 War Priest of Thune
SB: 1 Leonin Relic-Warder
SB: 1 Manriki-Gusari
SB: 1 Blessed Alliance
@Mad Matt
That's a heck of a run! Your Gideon could just become a 2nd Path pretty easily if you want another card that's good against Eldrazi and flexible elsewhere.
@ Medea, I actually like that you are running cunning sparkmage, and Basillisk collar. But, what if you tried it with Goblin Sharpshooter instead of Cunning sparkmage? I mean I understand because it's not a human, but you are only running 2 caverns main, but you have 4 Plateaus, plus the vials. It doesn't seem like getting the sharpshooter in play would be an issue. Perhaps take out main deck sparkmage and 1 THC, to run 2 Sharpshooters? Or perhaps this is something to add in the SB to have against elves, goblns, etc. I kinda want to try this myself.
Pontiff is a Sharpshooter with haste that also kills TNN and doesn't lose value to a removal spell. I think it's largely just better if you can make the mana work out. In 8 rounds I played with it plus a few playtesting games, the only think Basilisk Collar did was gain me a single point of life. That card shouldn't have been in the deck. I never fetched it, as other options were always better. When I drew it, it just often wasn't worth casting; I had better things to do with my mana, and it felt really bad to pay two for that with a Thalia in play.
I also really value Sparkmage's haste; the surprise and blowout factor is very real with that card. It also plays a little bit better with a Flickerwisp to eat a two power critter.
Decks where you need the ping effect most are fast decks. Infect, Elves, Pyromancer decks. Obviously Sharpshooter is insane if he gets unlocked vs some huge DnT boardstall, but vs the decks where you absolutely to kill something or you're going to die, the difference between having a source of damage on turn 3 (often via Cavern) and turn 4 is huge.
You are correct, where it would probably be too slow, but I was also thinking he still ran the Ancient tombs, which could potentially make it a turn faster. I still might give it a shot knowing my local meta.
Bahra's 5-0 list It's very similar to what I've been playing.
Monowhite D&T, 6th place. This list is pretty traditional, but put up strong results nevertheless.
Fwiw the link you provided did not lead to a monowhite DnT list for me. All I saw was a 5th place Wr list
Herp, I'm an idiot and remembered wrong.
Here are a few more decklists.
Haha no biggie!
Btw for those of you who don't watch the legacy premier league run by Julian Knab, Michael Bonde was the lone undefeated player with mono white DnT. Here's his list for reference:
4 Thalia
4 SFM
4 Mother of Runes
4 Flickerwisp
4 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Sanctum Prelate
1 Recruiter of the guard
1 Palace jailer
1 Mirran Crusader
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Aether Vial
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Umezawa's Jitte
9 Plains
4 Rishadan Port
4 Wasteland
3 Karakas
1 Flagstones of Trokair
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Mishra's Factory
SB:
4 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Containment Priest
2 Faerie Macabre
1 Rest In Peace
1 Council's Judgment
1 Path to Exile
1 Mirran Crusader
1 Palace Jailer
1 Gideon
1 Pithing Needle
I know it's for a small group of people and as such likely metagamed but there's still some good and some interesting stuff here. 24 lands, 1 recruiter, 2 Prelate, no maindeck combo hate really but a lot in the board with those 4 canonist. Very interesting to see the mindset of a pro and dedicated DnT player like Bonde
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