What has happened to gsz titanpost players? Any still out there? Anything spicy?
My build still exists, and my winrate on xmage with the current version is pretty high (right now at 73% over almost 400 matches, that's slightly higher than what i had with my older builds before Top was banned). But at this point it's closer to a NicFit deck than to a 12-Post deck, with just 1 Primeval Titan, just 3 Glimmerposts and now a small NicFit package. With the fair grindy plan mostly with Tireless Tracker and the faster combo with Dark Depths, ramping into Eldrazi is just one of three game plans i have, that's why i posted my recent lists only in the NicFit thread.
These are the 76 i'm currently testing:
61 Cards Maindeck:
Lands (26):
4 Cloudpost
3 Glimmerpost
2 Thespian's Stage
1 Dark Depths
1 Eye of Ugin
1 Karakas
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Phyrexian Tower
2 Verdant Catacombs
2 Windswept Heath
2 Bayou
1 Savannah
3 Forest
1 Swamp
1 Plains
Creatures (17):
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Veteran Explorer
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Tireless Tracker
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth
1 Primeval Titan
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
Spells (18):
2 Mox Diamond
4 Crop Rotation
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Sylvan Library
2 Toxic Deluge
Sideboard (15):
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Reclamation Sage
2 Swords to Plowshares
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Lingering Souls
3 Surgical Extraction
2 Collective Brutality
2 Pernicious Deed
(The 2 Deathrite Shamans were another Fetchland and another Mox Diamond until very recently, but i want to try them again - could be too low on colored mana sources now, in that case i will change it back.)
The short version how this deck performed so far:
Close matchups against: Blood Moon decks (11-9), Burn (10-8).
It beats Delver/Tempo (31-10), Ux Midrange/Control (41-9), Non-Blue Midrange (47-11), Lands (15-3), Pox (16-3), Other Fair decks (20-12).
It beats Storm (18-2), Reanimator (20-8), Dredge (8-2).
It beats bad Show&Tell players (6-2, i think the matchup should be very bad, the results say otherwise).
It has problems against Elves (4-6).
Slightly favorable on average against other combo decks (24-16).
The deck is imo very good, probably better than what i had last year and definitely better than my first builds after the Top ban, and in my opinion better than other 12-post or NicFit decks. But it's also very different from a real 12-post deck, and postboard i even get rid of the Eldrazi plan in a significant number of matchups.
I might as well share what I'll be running tonight since you asked.
Ramp/Tutor
4x Ancient Stirrings
4x Crop Rotation
4x Explore
4x Expedition Map
4x Green Sun's Zenith
4x Primeval Titan
1x Azusa, Lost but Seeking
1x Oracle of Mul Daya
Protection
3x Pithing Needle
Core Lands
8x Forest
4x Cloudpost
4x Glimmerpost
4x Vesuva
Utility Lands
1x Bojuka Bog
1x Cavern of Souls
1x Dryad Arbor
1x Eye of Ugin
1x Glacial Chasm
1x Karakas
1x Maze of Ith
Payoff Cards
1x Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1x Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
1x Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
1x Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
Sideboard
4x Krosan Grip
2x Thought-Knot Seer
2x Spatial Contortion
2x Warping Wail
1x Pithing Needle
1x Mindbreak Trap
1x Sphere of Resistance
1x Ramunap Excavator
1x Reclamation Sage
The sideboard's always a WIP because I never really know what I'm doing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The Azusa and Oracle are my most flexble spots. I had Thespian's Stage and Dark Depths in their place last week so I'm gonna run with these two and see if they come in handy. I've been a fan of the Explores but having this many extra land drop cards might be overkill. It may be correct to cut some amount of Explores/Stirrings to add Stage and Depths back in.
Lack of candles/more spheres for sb is my budget concession at the moment. But I should have more spheres soon.
Below is a cheeky “I still don’t know what to play after those B****** banned the top” BUG list:
Land (26)
1x Bayou
1x Bojuka Bog
4x Cloudpost
1x Eye of Ugin
1x Forest
1x Glacial Chasm
4x Glimmerpost
1x Island
1x Karakas
3x Misty Rainforest
3x Polluted Delta
2x Tropical Island
2x Underground Sea
1x Vesuva
Creature (11)
3x Deathrite Shaman
1x Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4x Primeval Titan
2x Snapcaster Mage
1x Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
Instant (11)
4x Brainstorm
3x Crop Rotation
3x Force of Will
1x Intuition
Sorcery (8)
3x Ponder
3x Show and Tell
2x Toxic Deluge
Artifact (3)
3x Expedition Map
Planeswalker (1)
1x Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Sideboard (15)
1x Collective Brutality
3x Flusterstorm
1x Golgari Charm
3x Krosan Grip
1x Leovold, Emissary of Trest
1x Maelstrom Pulse
1x Pernicious Deed
3x Surgical Extraction
1x Toxic Deluge
I had quite a few wins with it online, and the ones I’ve lost were mostly due to bad hand keeping and misplays. I know that ppl have tackled BUG post b4, can anyone refer me to the page with BUG deck lists?
I was surprised that the mana base is so consistent. Maybe it needs a basic swamp for magus, but I have not faced it yet. The sideboard is still a work in progress since I want to test different B cards.
I could probably drop my jace/fow package, but it does come in handy sometimes. Two cards that I love so far are – snapcaster and deluge. Haven’t missed the candle thus far.
For which black card did you wet your bed over when you played UG or other non-black variants? What could one still include that would benefit a post list like deluge does?
Short of time, sorry. But I quoted my BUG list. Used to play 3-4 copies of Abrupt Decay in the past, as well. It's really a beast and helps against many huge problems like Chalice @1, Blood Moon or Magus. At least if you manage to float BG...never played a basic swamp and never "missed" it, so far. Was disappointed about Pernicious Deed. Nice sweeper, BUT Planeswalker survive. Early Lilly or Jace can be a problem, so maybe you give Perilous Vault a try? It cleans everything and can be some kind of life insurance against Elves, Turbo Depths etc...
Bro, you read my mind. I was thinking about Vault but didn't want 2 go 2 "casual." Since I posted my significant loss was to Chandra - magus - moon. Moreover, a loss due to my inability to get rid of jace - walkers can be a problem 4 my current config. I will add some colorless removal to the board.
I would like to run decay, but my blue count is already low. That’s why I’m reluctant to think about any non-blue card MB, at least until I’m running FoW MB. Let me know if you add any new tech to your list.
Any reason to run Vault over something like Oblivion Stone? I feel like the Stone is usually better, since it comes down sooner. It's something I've personally considered.
Here's the list I'm currently running on XMage.
It's possible I'm being silly by limiting myself to cards I could reasonably get in paper (one candelabra, no tabernacle), since I play primarily in paper... though maybe it's worth getting more into MTGO so I can play with those cards.
Probably not, though. :p
Thank you! Prime time is pricey on modo relative to the deck price. I have obtained 2 and running a few gsz. need more prime time and natural order is next step. i think g/r zot build looks cool and strong for online meta. need those warping wails, don't leave home without em
It's basically a 8 vs 9 mana vise, i have one copy of each on paper, and sometimes exile / abrupt proof matters. Personally, I tend to run a split in the board in an unginless build.
Thank you Postman-wunder-child; decay did the trick. I moved my FoW package to the board and added Sylvan library + decay MB. Works like a a charm, especially, if you can predict when to "float" B/G !
I managed to put out a miracle player with BG float g1 (and won the match 2-0) as he was aiming 4 B2B + BloodMoon with jace online; hold AD+snapcaster in hand until you win - inevitability - It feels like the primer all-over:
Hi guys! Extremely long time lurker, first time poster, so please don't get too angry if I mess up
Anyways, I've been playing U/G for a while, and since top ban I've really been stuck where to go. Here's the current list:
Lands (24):
4 Cloudpost
4 Glimmerpost
2 Vesuva
4 Tropical Island
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Karakas
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Eye of Ugin
1 Forest
1 Island
Creatures (7):
4 Primeval Titan
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
1 Trinket Mage
Spells (30):
4 Crop Rotation
4 Brainstorm
4 Expedition Map
3 Pithing Needle
1 Candelabra of Tawnos
1 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
3 Warping Wail
3 Gitaxian Probe
4 Ponder
3 Show and Tell
SB:
3 Flusterstorm
3 Surgical Extraction
3 Krosan Grip
3 Phyrexian Revoker
3 Sphere of Resistance
Currently in process of getting cavern of souls, money is extremely tight currently. I alternate between moment's peace and sphere in the board. My meta typically looks like 65% ant/tes storm combo, 25% delver, and 10% D&T. I'm not really confident in my abilities to beat storm, if anybody has advice I'd appreciate it. I get it that storm is not a favorable match, but I still like having a chance. Sideboard advice would also be appreciated.
I've wasted too much of my life playing magic.
Went X-1 at local event with this rGB post build. Complicated mana was solved with some heavy hand fixing and variant answers. Wins were against colorless prison, bug control, sneaky show. Loss was a close 3 games against Eldrazi Aggro /w White splash.
// Lands
1 [LG] Karakas
1 [TSP] Vesuva
4 [MR] Cloudpost
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog
1 [TSP] Forest (4)
1 [AVR] Cavern of Souls
3 [FUT] Grove of the Burnwillows
2 [R] Taiga
4 [ON] Wooded Foothills
1 [R] Badlands
1 [R] Bayou
1 [PLC] Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
// Creatures
1 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
2 [C15] Inferno Titan
4 [M11] Primeval Titan
1 [BFZ] Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
1 [OGW] Kozilek, the Great Distortion
// Spells
4 [UL] Crop Rotation
4 [ZEN] Expedition Map
4 [ZEN] Punishing Fire
1 [LG] Sylvan Library
3 [EMN] Grapple with the Past
3 [C14] Faithless Looting
3 [US] Exhume
3 [EMN] Collective Brutality
// Sideboard
SB: 1 [LG] Sylvan Library
SB: 3 [NPH] Surgical Extraction
SB: 3 [DDD] Faerie Macabre
SB: 4 [TSP] Krosan Grip
SB: 2 [C13] Toxic Deluge
SB: 2 [DS] Trinisphere
Changes would include +1 trinisphere sb, myself and teammate cap out at 5 total amongst us and he was using 4. And possibly +1 Toxic Deluge, as not drawing it or something similar was brutal against colorless eldrazi.
Toxic Deluge could be replaced with or supplemented with moment's peace, which works strongly with the whole deck concept.
Warping wail has recently been failing me, not countering ad nauseam, entomb, and doing nothing against Eldrazi aggro. the black splash is an attempt to shore up some of the weaknesses I was leaning on warping wail to address. Not that warping wail can't fit into this build. Grove is the perfect 12post color fixing card. makes colorless, G, R.
Last edited by Rock Lee; 08-22-2017 at 02:05 PM.
bGR build update:
// Lands
1 [LG] Karakas
1 [TSP] Vesuva
4 [MR] Cloudpost
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog
1 [TSP] Forest (4)
3 [FUT] Grove of the Burnwillows
1 [R] Taiga
1 [R] Badlands
4 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
1 [C14] Swamp (2)
1 [R] Bayou
// Creatures
1 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
2 [C15] Inferno Titan
4 [M11] Primeval Titan
1 [BFZ] Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
3 [RTR] Deathrite Shaman
// Spells
4 [UL] Crop Rotation
4 [ZEN] Expedition Map
4 [ZEN] Punishing Fire
4 [EMN] Grapple with the Past
3 [EMN] Collective Brutality
3 [MI] Shallow Grave
2 [OD] Moment's Peace
1 [LG] Sylvan Library
// Sideboard
SB: 4 [NPH] Surgical Extraction
SB: 3 [DDD] Faerie Macabre
SB: 3 [TSP] Krosan Grip
SB: 2 [10E] Pithing Needle
SB: 1 [IA] Glacial Chasm
SB: 1 [DS] Trinisphere
SB: 1 [LG] Sylvan Library
If you're running red isn't sneak attack just a no-brainer? I really don't understand why you would completely forgo any copies of that card. Getting 2 triggers off a Primeval Titan or Inferno Titan in one turn just seems back breaking to your opponent.
New updates to the jund version, went X-1 before these updates (swapped therapies to sb, inserted abrupt decays). Sneak attack could be an include, but is often 1 mana less than inferno titan, while leaving yourself wide open. I'm more of a fan of through the breach, but I will tinker with both as options in this more mid-range build. Also Exhume/Shallow Grave are just faster than TTB or Sneak.
// Lands
1 [LG] Karakas
1 [TSP] Vesuva
4 [MR] Cloudpost
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog
1 [TSP] Forest (4)
4 [FUT] Grove of the Burnwillows
2 [R] Taiga
1 [R] Badlands
3 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
2 [R] Bayou
// Creatures
1 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
2 [C15] Inferno Titan
4 [M11] Primeval Titan
1 [BFZ] Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
4 [RTR] Deathrite Shaman
// Spells
3 [UL] Crop Rotation
4 [ZEN] Punishing Fire
4 [EMN] Grapple with the Past
4 [EMN] Collective Brutality
2 [LG] Sylvan Library
4 [RTR] Abrupt Decay
2 [US] Exhume
// Sideboard
SB: 4 [NPH] Surgical Extraction
SB: 3 [DDD] Faerie Macabre
SB: 2 [7E] Ensnaring Bridge
SB: 3 [PLC] Seal of Primordium
SB: 3 [EMA] Cabal Therapy
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